Honestly this isn't surprising from a scummy company. Let's be real, they did this right before spring cleaning to milk players. Too many players are blinded by FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) and will blow cash just to get the title. Strategic business plan to milk the community. Definition of a scumbag company.
You know a corporations goal is to maximize profit. If it is publicly listed then there is little in the way of stopping that, if the current CEO does not then another one will. Don’t hit numbers for a few quarters gone. Only companies with visionary founders can target long term over short term.
While yes companies aim to make profit, certain companies also pride themself with making profit and keeping the player base happy. They are on par with EA. Don't care about the players, only care about profits.
Let me be quite frank. If I based my enjoyment and accomplishments on comparing myself with the big spenders, I'd be miserable. This whole F2P vs. P2P is a losing perspective. I mean, it's one thing to take pride in how far we can get without spending. It's another to consider it a competitive aspect of the game. The game is not divided into spenders and non-spenders.
It absolutely is divided and your blind if you don't see that. All the biggest game modes in the game will always have spenders at the top. AQ, AW top alliances are all whale alliances. Battlegrounds top players will also be the biggest spenders with the biggest rosters and all champions ranked up. Even events are tailored to who can spend the most (Gifting) 😂
Everyone critical of the requirements should be willing to post their roster, AW/AQ rankings, and all endgame content progress (Story, Abyss, Carinas).
As many have posted already, even if you have everything in the game completed and bought the offers, checking all requirements listed in the initial post, it is still not enough to get a 3rd rank 4 champion.
They even went ahead and included offers in the calculations, even after advertising it as not necessary. Unless you're spending on the gifting event and are being carried by P2W alliances, its still unreachable for a F2P player at this point, which was their premise to release the title to begin with.
It feels rushed. Like it wasn't meant to come out yet, but they had to lie about it and make up some way to "get more resources", even if not f2p friendly, just as an excuse to release the title now before the deals.
It's obvious Kabam will cash in on Spring Cleaning and July 4 but how can a non-paying customer reasonably expect to be on equal to footing to spenders?
Thats not it. They have stated that with certain requirements, it would be possible to get the title.
It is not. Thats the issue. Because they are releasing it earlier than what it should be released, which would be when the possility was possible
So I guess it's not a coincidence that the new title for a hundred people or so (for at least one more year) is announced the same day with the Spring Cleaning one.
Was it just me? Or did Kabam make this title specifically for those who spend money on the game? The rest will pursue this title for at least another year. At a time when those who received it. They will receive even more resources for R4. Is that fair? They will increase the gap from the rest, as a result, the game simply turns into a sea of donat. How to play next? Does it make sense to play on? Make 1 on R4, as it was with 6.4. And it will be fair. Plunge into the bottom of the game, or into the middle. Look at the regular players. 80% still don't have even one R4. And you're talking about 3 R4 😕
Kabam, come to your senses. At the moment, you have caused a lot of negative reactions to your address. Is that a good thing? When does your Community treat you like this?! Thank you for preparing a new title, but why are you making it unattainable for 80% of the players (maybe 90%). Now, you can go into the rating and see a maximum of 50-70 people with 3 R4, and this is the lowest part of this game. Or is profit so important to you? Admit. If I started playing later than "Summer of Pain" and other events. (As many people think, someone missed it for family reasons, because it's summer), you just limit them in content. And you make me spend money. I'm sure after the title is released, there will be offers for $ to make 3 R4 faster, but then what about your words that you just had to play. If you force people to spend money instead of enjoying the game?
You must know that the title is here before 4th deals... in the past you could not use those deals to become "the new title" it was a joke, while those already who had the new title got the new resources in a bunch.
Well looking at this, I guess I have to be comfortable with being throne breaker prolly for the next 3 years or never😂(Not sure I got time to be playing this game nowadays) N since I'm not convinced I'll complete every content in the game, I'm in for a slow progression. But it is what it is
Besides, thronebreaker is a way cooler title anyway😉
Been playing this game for 5 years, which is a lot of time invested. I am thronebreaker and have a handful of rank 3s, I think rising for a minimum of 3 rank4 is a little to much narrowing down the people who dont spend or didnt use thousands of units on the gifiting event. If you will leave at minimum of 3 rank4, and you offer the majority of free to play players the option to grind for it, fair enough. Make the monthly eq thronebreaker difficulty with rank4 materials.(so if we grind for 3-5 months we will have materials to rank4) Update the top milestones on aq so if you decide to do map8 with higher modifiers you can get some materials in. So we could do the math on our pace. Atm is limited only for those who had bought the offer on act7. I know for some of us will be a slower grind compared with most skilled players, this should be fair to make difference between the account progression. Personally took me several months to get thronebreaker to get the materials to rank3, but at least I know what I can grind to get there. I hope the materials in the offer of july 4 will have for those thronebreaker to get at least 1 rank 4 with unit deals.
Keep the positive vibes in, is ok to disagree, lets found solutions not problems.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
Can't disagree with you there, they will never please everyone lol I don't really care much for the new title as I don't even have 1 r4 yet but I see the frustration, in my own view I think it should be 2 r4 champs, not everyone enjoys playing in war at high levels or AQ for that matter so to tie a SOLO progression to that and/or spending isn't overly fair on those who don't do it. By all means tie it to solo content but as its been pointed out .. without doing top tier AQ and AW and/or spending on deals 3x r4s isn't achievable.
So the ONLY 2 requirements for Paragon are 3 R4 and 7.4 Completion ?? then it is doable, maybe not in a month or two, but in time, like all progression titles!! .....i thought they were forcing us to play top tier AW/AQ and complete Carina Challenges...
*Not everyone should become PARAGON on day/ year 1!!
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
Yes but 2 is possible for f2p players without unit deals how is it fair that not grinding arena to buy unit deals means that am not good enough to be a paragon.
Because they have to draw the line somewhere, and if they draw it too far back and make it too easy to get Paragon, the title becomes obsolete and doesn’t do what is required by it - to split players into suitable groups.
Remember, this is only day 1. If too many people are paragon on day 1 then what’s the point in it? There’s plenty of time to get paragon in the future.
Could even update the rewards abyss to give some amount of them materials, let's be fair, 100% abyss is still infinitely harder than 100% act 7 yet you get 1 r4 for act 7 and 0 r4 for abyss 🤷♂️.
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
Clearly you are missing the point here... it shouldn't be available to everyone, I agree there BUT when they introduced thronebreaker title they had TWO pieces of content that gave the rewards to make 1x r3 6*, meaning people was able to obtain TB on day 1 with some hard work.
That is not the same case as this new title.
If it was set at 2 rank 4s people who had 100%ed act 7 but only have 1 rank 4 would complain about not having done gauntlet, SoP etc. People on the wrong side of it will always complain, it’s just human nature
Yes but 2 is possible for f2p players without unit deals how is it fair that not grinding arena to buy unit deals means that am not good enough to be a paragon.
Because they have to draw the line somewhere, and if they draw it too far back and make it too easy to get Paragon, the title becomes obsolete and doesn’t do what is required by it - to split players into suitable groups.
Remember, this is only day 1. If too many people are paragon on day 1 then what’s the point in it? There’s plenty of time to get paragon in the future.
Also missing out on paragon offers and getting a 5 star awakening gem for 6k units on July 4 deals as a end game player is kinda stupid
I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I’ve done all story content 100%, still have some carina to finish. The top guys who spend a lot or grind endlessly (or both) will have access to the new progression level a few months before I do. It’s really not going to affect me at all. Maybe I miss out on the better offers that I wouldn’t buy anyway 😂
Anyone paying attention knows this is just to pressure people to start spending more chasing rank ups. Pretending this has anything to do with rewarding the top tier of players for their hard work is delusional.
I am done with all the content and still don't have the material to rank 3rd R4. If you meant that we must have spent 20,000 units to buy Act 7.4 exploration/completion deal, that sure is a crazy requirement to get the title. The game title must just be dependent on the progression level and not the champions I have. Keeping the requirement to have all content done 100% is just fine, but you guys eventually asking to pay $$$ to buy a Title like Summoner Sigil. Don't act like a Political Party.
I’m not understanding peoples argument that it should be 2 instead of 3…and I have two rank 4’s myself. If you’d need 2, what’s wrong with 3? Is the only difference that with 2 you’d be a day 1 Paragon and with 3 you might have to wait a little? Why do you HAVE to be Paragon on day 1?
I understand the complaint that they should put out the 7.4 10k unit offer again for those that explored it already but even that is stretching it a little.
And anyone saying there shouldn’t have been a rank requirement for this title is living in a dream. You knew it was gonna happen. You’re just in denial…
I’m not understanding peoples argument that it should be 2 instead of 3…and I have two rank 4’s myself. If you’d need 2, what’s wrong with 3? Is the only difference that with 2 you’d be a day 1 Paragon and with 3 you might have to wait a little? Why do you HAVE to be Paragon on day 1?
I understand the complaint that they should put out the 7.4 10k unit offer again for those that explored it already but even that is stretching it a little.
And anyone saying there shouldn’t have been a rank requirement for this title is living in a dream. You knew it was gonna happen. You’re just in denial…
I agree that 7.4 10k offer should be put out. I also kind of think this should have even been announced before 7.4 dropped, so people could have made the decision at the time.
@Demonzfyre dude i have an honest question for you. Why are you this bitter to everyone's opinion Against kabam? Yea some people are annoying & say things without thinking the full picture. Even you can agree for Once! That its unfair to people who actually did content. Their justification to release the new title is absolutely garbage. I hope everyone around you give you some love my dude. You are really bitter in forum & i feel sad for you
It's a stupid comment. Netmarble is a for-profit company so yes, they want to make money. Comments like that assume with zero knowledge that there will be an opportunity to get R4 mats in spring cleaning to R4 a champ then.
This game requires revenue, but you are not required to spend to play it. I can have any opinion I want, just like you can have any opinion you want. You're free to call me toxic just as much as I'm free to sarcastically respond to a toxic comment.
I mean I get it, KaBaM bAd CoMpAnY. The golden rule is no one should say anything positive about what they do. You think the requirement is garbage, I think it's fine and I won't be Paragon on day one either. But this is normal behavior coming from this community. Anything that doesn't immediately benefit you is a garbage decision.
Ignoring that the requirement should probably be 2 R4 6*, I wanted to give my thoughts on introducing Paragon at this moment:
On an average month with no story content release we as Thronebreakers are already facing outdated quests with outdated rewards. The top difficulty of EQ is Cavalier, which for endgame TBs close to Paragon is already far too easy with rewards that don’t really improve their accounts much. The side quest top difficulty is legendary, which is also out of date. So by introducing Paragon, you’ve made the top monthly difficulty even more dated to the endgame player.
On top of that, the daily objective crystal top level is still just cavalier. The 4 hour TB crystal generally sits unopened, as the average endgame TB has no content to use them on. The daily TB crystal is still good with relevant rewards. The best unit crystal in the game is still Cavalier, which is heavily outdated for the endgame TB.
So, why introduce this title now if there’s really nothing that comes along with it? My thoughts on the requirements aside, I just don’t feel that as of now there is a reason to introduce this new title.
I’m not understanding peoples argument that it should be 2 instead of 3…and I have two rank 4’s myself. If you’d need 2, what’s wrong with 3? Is the only difference that with 2 you’d be a day 1 Paragon and with 3 you might have to wait a little? Why do you HAVE to be Paragon on day 1?
I understand the complaint that they should put out the 7.4 10k unit offer again for those that explored it already but even that is stretching it a little.
And anyone saying there shouldn’t have been a rank requirement for this title is living in a dream. You knew it was gonna happen. You’re just in denial…
I agree that 7.4 10k offer should be put out. I also kind of think this should have even been announced before 7.4 dropped, so people could have made the decision at the time.
This is a logical and fair argument, especially since it’s inconceivable the title wasn’t being worked on when 7.4 dropped. I would add that the offer should also be around at least a reasonable amount of time (i.e., not 24-hours) to allow players who want to grind+spend a decent shot at grabbing units.
Yes, because heaven forbid they make money to keep developing the game. Super scummy.
@Demonzfyre dude i have an honest question for you. Why are you this bitter to everyone's opinion Against kabam? Yea some people are annoying & say things without thinking the full picture. Even you can agree for Once! That its unfair to people who actually did content. Their justification to release the new title is absolutely garbage. I hope everyone around you give you some love my dude. You are really bitter in forum & i feel sad for you
I feel you on this, time and time I’ve seen him throw nothing but shade and toxicity to community members of the forum. I understand sometimes people can complain which can be annoying, but to be bitter and show hostility to any player that disagrees with kabam is a bit too much.
The best advice I could offer you is to just move on and hope that either he changes one day or that forum mods pick up on it and take action. Until then its best not to give it too much attention
Sometimes they can complain? Just sometimes? Remember how 7.4 was announced and you could R4 a champ from 100%? Complaints because it wasn't generic.
There were complaints about the Gauntlet content because it wasn't available to everyone and those who could do it but weren't prepared, complained it was too hard.
Complaints about summer of pain being too hard.
Complaints about every chapter of act 7 being released because the rewards weren't good enough.
Remember that time that the community complained so hard about story content that they nerfed the difficulty to the ground and released the TB title early because it's not difficult enough to attach titles to anymore?
This community doesn't sometimes complain, they always complain. There are legit reasons to be annoyed at Kabam like with the war pots situation and loyalty, but a title that is meant to challenge you to grow into, isn't one of them.
We went through this with TB already. Everyone complained it was too hard to get. Now we have level 56 people getting that title. Not everything that is released needs to apply to you right away, you're going to have to work towards some things in this game.
I'm not going to change and comments like yours and the other, keep me motivated to keep going.
Yes, because heaven forbid they make money to keep developing the game. Super scummy.
@Demonzfyre dude i have an honest question for you. Why are you this bitter to everyone's opinion Against kabam? Yea some people are annoying & say things without thinking the full picture. Even you can agree for Once! That its unfair to people who actually did content. Their justification to release the new title is absolutely garbage. I hope everyone around you give you some love my dude. You are really bitter in forum & i feel sad for you
I feel you on this, time and time I’ve seen him throw nothing but shade and toxicity to community members of the forum. I understand sometimes people can complain which can be annoying, but to be bitter and show hostility to any player that disagrees with kabam is a bit too much.
The best advice I could offer you is to just move on and hope that either he changes one day or that forum mods pick up on it and take action. Until then its best not to give it too much attention
Sometimes they can complain? Just sometimes? Remember how 7.4 was announced and you could R4 a champ from 100%? Complaints because it wasn't generic.
There were complaints about the Gauntlet content because it wasn't available to everyone and those who could do it but weren't prepared, complained it was too hard.
Complaints about summer of pain being too hard.
Complaints about every chapter of act 7 being released because the rewards weren't good enough.
Remember that time that the community complained so hard about story content that they nerfed the difficulty to the ground and released the TB title early because it's not difficult enough to attach titles to anymore?
This community doesn't sometimes complain, they always complain. There are legit reasons to be annoyed at Kabam like with the war pots situation and loyalty, but a title that is meant to challenge you to grow into, isn't one of them.
We went through this with TB already. Everyone complained it was too hard to get. Now we have level 56 people getting that title. Not everything that is released needs to apply to you right away, you're going to have to work towards some things in this game.
I'm not going to change and comments like yours and the other, keep me motivated to keep going.
While I would tend to agree with you that unreasonable complaints exist on the forums, I think acting like *everyone* complains *all the time* is a mistake.
*Some* complain, and some of those are the same folks. But it helps to recall that the forums are a tiny slice of the player base and even then there’s not unanimity along the forums denizens.
The worst thing in this, is that they tie, sort of, the title, to being part of a high rank alliance. 99% of players don't breath mcoc, many spenders among them, we do have jobs, families, friends etc, but not youtube channels, so we don't see this as a working experience (we don't get paid anyway) but as a game.
Geez, all of you are doing the standard Internet argument where you focus on one small incorrect thing as the brunt to ignore the whole post, or to actually elaborate on why you disagree.
Whether ddom is a baby whale, a moderate spender, light spender, or mostly F2P, is just arguing semantics.
The meat of the argument is that NON-WHALES are at the moment likely to have between 0 - 2 R4 6-stars. As long as there are avenues to obtain the required 3 R4 6-stars (which presumably Eternity of Pain will), Kabam isn't doing players dirty.
I generally agree with OP. My main quibbles are that requirements do seem a little steep (2 R4 seems more palatable than 3 R4), and the manner of announcements seems a tad cynical.
It is entirely right to call Kabam out if the math doesn't check out (ie. high tier Alliance is in fact required as opposed to optional) or they don't provide avenues in a reasonable timeframe. But I don't think wanting it Day 1 is a good argument.
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It is not. Thats the issue. Because they are releasing it earlier than what it should be released, which would be when the possility was possible
N since I'm not convinced I'll complete every content in the game, I'm in for a slow progression. But it is what it is
Been playing this game for 5 years, which is a lot of time invested. I am thronebreaker and have a handful of rank 3s, I think rising for a minimum of 3 rank4 is a little to much narrowing down the people who dont spend or didnt use thousands of units on the gifiting event.
If you will leave at minimum of 3 rank4, and you offer the majority of free to play players the option to grind for it, fair enough. Make the monthly eq thronebreaker difficulty with rank4 materials.(so if we grind for 3-5 months we will have materials to rank4)
Update the top milestones on aq so if you decide to do map8 with higher modifiers you can get some materials in. So we could do the math on our pace.
Atm is limited only for those who had bought the offer on act7. I know for some of us will be a slower grind compared with most skilled players, this should be fair to make difference between the account progression. Personally took me several months to get thronebreaker to get the materials to rank3, but at least I know what I can grind to get there.
I hope the materials in the offer of july 4 will have for those thronebreaker to get at least 1 rank 4 with unit deals.
Keep the positive vibes in, is ok to disagree, lets found solutions not problems.
Regards,
Haunts
That is not the same case as this new title.
.....i thought they were forcing us to play top tier AW/AQ and complete Carina Challenges...
*Not everyone should become PARAGON on day/ year 1!!
Remember, this is only day 1. If too many people are paragon on day 1 then what’s the point in it? There’s plenty of time to get paragon in the future.
That would certainly help toward it.
I’ve done all story content 100%, still have some carina to finish.
The top guys who spend a lot or grind endlessly (or both) will have access to the new progression level a few months before I do.
It’s really not going to affect me at all. Maybe I miss out on the better offers that I wouldn’t buy anyway 😂
I understand the complaint that they should put out the 7.4 10k unit offer again for those that explored it already but even that is stretching it a little.
And anyone saying there shouldn’t have been a rank requirement for this title is living in a dream. You knew it was gonna happen. You’re just in denial…
This game requires revenue, but you are not required to spend to play it. I can have any opinion I want, just like you can have any opinion you want. You're free to call me toxic just as much as I'm free to sarcastically respond to a toxic comment.
I mean I get it, KaBaM bAd CoMpAnY. The golden rule is no one should say anything positive about what they do. You think the requirement is garbage, I think it's fine and I won't be Paragon on day one either. But this is normal behavior coming from this community. Anything that doesn't immediately benefit you is a garbage decision.
On an average month with no story content release we as Thronebreakers are already facing outdated quests with outdated rewards. The top difficulty of EQ is Cavalier, which for endgame TBs close to Paragon is already far too easy with rewards that don’t really improve their accounts much. The side quest top difficulty is legendary, which is also out of date. So by introducing Paragon, you’ve made the top monthly difficulty even more dated to the endgame player.
On top of that, the daily objective crystal top level is still just cavalier. The 4 hour TB crystal generally sits unopened, as the average endgame TB has no content to use them on. The daily TB crystal is still good with relevant rewards. The best unit crystal in the game is still Cavalier, which is heavily outdated for the endgame TB.
So, why introduce this title now if there’s really nothing that comes along with it? My thoughts on the requirements aside, I just don’t feel that as of now there is a reason to introduce this new title.
Dr. Zola
There were complaints about the Gauntlet content because it wasn't available to everyone and those who could do it but weren't prepared, complained it was too hard.
Complaints about summer of pain being too hard.
Complaints about every chapter of act 7 being released because the rewards weren't good enough.
Remember that time that the community complained so hard about story content that they nerfed the difficulty to the ground and released the TB title early because it's not difficult enough to attach titles to anymore?
This community doesn't sometimes complain, they always complain. There are legit reasons to be annoyed at Kabam like with the war pots situation and loyalty, but a title that is meant to challenge you to grow into, isn't one of them.
We went through this with TB already. Everyone complained it was too hard to get. Now we have level 56 people getting that title. Not everything that is released needs to apply to you right away, you're going to have to work towards some things in this game.
I'm not going to change and comments like yours and the other, keep me motivated to keep going.
*Some* complain, and some of those are the same folks. But it helps to recall that the forums are a tiny slice of the player base and even then there’s not unanimity along the forums denizens.
Dr. Zola
Whether ddom is a baby whale, a moderate spender, light spender, or mostly F2P, is just arguing semantics.
The meat of the argument is that NON-WHALES are at the moment likely to have between 0 - 2 R4 6-stars. As long as there are avenues to obtain the required 3 R4 6-stars (which presumably Eternity of Pain will), Kabam isn't doing players dirty.
I generally agree with OP. My main quibbles are that requirements do seem a little steep (2 R4 seems more palatable than 3 R4), and the manner of announcements seems a tad cynical.
It is entirely right to call Kabam out if the math doesn't check out (ie. high tier Alliance is in fact required as opposed to optional) or they don't provide avenues in a reasonable timeframe. But I don't think wanting it Day 1 is a good argument.