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  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Practically speaking, arena is not the fastest way for gold. Incursions, daily objectives, and EQ/SQ are all better for the payoff to time.

    However, the other options are all finite until they reset, while arena is infinite with the battlechips (which is where most of the gold comes from).

    If you do the other options and still have a gold problem, your options are arena, no rank ups, or spend money.
  • JustWantTheRewardsJustWantTheRewards Member Posts: 442 ★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    This is assuming anyone short on Gold doesn't know how to manage it, which is just an ignorant assumption
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★

    smdam38 said:

    But gold and ISO need to bump up commensurate with champs they’re just giving out.

    Actually they don't. That's the source of the confusion. Ranking takes time. We can get all the Champs we like, but we still have to accumulate Resources to Rank them, and that takes time. The higher the Rarity and Rank, the more it's going to take, and the longer we need to wait to acquire what we need.
    Something will always serve as a bottleneck. Some Resource will always take time and effort to get, and will also take prudent planning to manage.
    Are we playing the same game?

    Gold rewards are ridiculous. How much gold do you get for EQ where everyone plays?

    Arena can eat a big bag of **** because people have lives and they can’t get rid of the mods/cheaters.

  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    The champs should be the bottleneck, not gold/ISO.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    This is assuming anyone short on Gold doesn't know how to manage it, which is just an ignorant assumption
    Reasons people could be running out of gold:
    1. Ranking too many champs beyond their ability to get gold
    2. Improper resource management
    3. Not utilizing available resources of gold
    4. The game doesn't actually give enough gold?
    If you're in the first case, you are ranking up too many too soon compared to what you can do. The answer is patience.

    The second and third cases are what have been discussed here.

    The fourth case is where arena comes to disprove the theory. You might not like the game mode, but it certainly doesn't take hours every day to accomplish rank ups if you can manage everything else well.

    If I am missing something, I am open to correction.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    But gold and ISO need to bump up commensurate with champs they’re just giving out.

    Actually they don't. That's the source of the confusion. Ranking takes time. We can get all the Champs we like, but we still have to accumulate Resources to Rank them, and that takes time. The higher the Rarity and Rank, the more it's going to take, and the longer we need to wait to acquire what we need.
    Something will always serve as a bottleneck. Some Resource will always take time and effort to get, and will also take prudent planning to manage.
    Are we playing the same game?

    Gold rewards are ridiculous. How much gold do you get for EQ where everyone plays?

    Arena can eat a big bag of **** because people have lives and they can’t get rid of the mods/cheaters.

    You're not going to get all the Gold you need from one source.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    This is assuming anyone short on Gold doesn't know how to manage it, which is just an ignorant assumption
    Reasons people could be running out of gold:
    1. Ranking too many champs beyond their ability to get gold
    2. Improper resource management
    3. Not utilizing available resources of gold
    4. The game doesn't actually give enough gold?
    If you're in the first case, you are ranking up too many too soon compared to what you can do. The answer is patience.

    The second and third cases are what have been discussed here.

    The fourth case is where arena comes to disprove the theory. You might not like the game mode, but it certainly doesn't take hours every day to accomplish rank ups if you can manage everything else well.

    If I am missing something, I am open to correction.
    Gonna go partial 3/4.
    Again, how much gold do you get outside arena that a lot don’t want to play or in crystals?

    If it’s crystals, most will hoard because of the yearly double up on gold.
  • JustWantTheRewardsJustWantTheRewards Member Posts: 442 ★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    This is assuming anyone short on Gold doesn't know how to manage it, which is just an ignorant assumption
    If you're in the first case, you are ranking up too many too soon compared to what you can do. The answer is patience.

    The second and third cases are what have been discussed here.

    The fourth case is where arena comes to disprove the theory. You might not like the game mode, but it certainly doesn't take hours every day to accomplish rank ups if you can manage everything else well
    Sure, that is all valid reasoning, but you have to realize how negative a lot of these solutions are.

    I'm ranking up too many champions? Alright, I'll be patient. I won't focus on competing in Battlegrounds, developing a solid Defense team for AW, getting a handful of high ranked champs for AQ, diversifying my roster for Act content/MEQ's. Now what? My progression is slowed to a halt all in attempts to keep my Gold count high, but the amount of Gold I have doesn't matter if I'm slowing my progression to obtain it.

    And then you use Arena as an excuse to say the game always gives enough Gold because the Arena has an unlimited amount, but you completely ignore the time investment and tiring grind required to obtain it. Using that logic, Kabam could remove all of the gold from every other source in the game and you'd still be correct that there is an unlimited amount of gold because Arena exists. That doesn't address any of the many downsides to having this one mode be so important to Gold acquisition, nor does it address the upsides to creating other sources of Gold acquisition.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    This is assuming anyone short on Gold doesn't know how to manage it, which is just an ignorant assumption
    Reasons people could be running out of gold:
    1. Ranking too many champs beyond their ability to get gold
    2. Improper resource management
    3. Not utilizing available resources of gold
    4. The game doesn't actually give enough gold?
    If you're in the first case, you are ranking up too many too soon compared to what you can do. The answer is patience.

    The second and third cases are what have been discussed here.

    The fourth case is where arena comes to disprove the theory. You might not like the game mode, but it certainly doesn't take hours every day to accomplish rank ups if you can manage everything else well.

    If I am missing something, I am open to correction.
    Gonna go partial 3/4.
    Again, how much gold do you get outside arena that a lot don’t want to play or in crystals?

    If it’s crystals, most will hoard because of the yearly double up on gold.
    If you don't want to play a game mode, that's completely fine and the point is to enjoy the game. However, if you are selective of what you play, you have to be selective of the rank ups.

    Unless if I misunderstood the changes Kabam made a while back, they got rid of the annual gold boost and boosted the crystal yields to eliminate the need to hoard
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,988 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    But gold and ISO need to bump up commensurate with champs they’re just giving out.

    Actually they don't. That's the source of the confusion. Ranking takes time. We can get all the Champs we like, but we still have to accumulate Resources to Rank them, and that takes time. The higher the Rarity and Rank, the more it's going to take, and the longer we need to wait to acquire what we need.
    Something will always serve as a bottleneck. Some Resource will always take time and effort to get, and will also take prudent planning to manage.
    Are we playing the same game?

    Gold rewards are ridiculous. How much gold do you get for EQ where everyone plays?

    Arena can eat a big bag of **** because people have lives and they can’t get rid of the mods/cheaters.

    Arena modders only matter if you're going for rank 1. If you're just going for milestones, you don't deal with modders. You aren't playing live matches like in BGs so modders have zero to do with the conversation. Arena isn't the only answer.

    People ask for more resources in particular game modes but hardly take into account the totality of where you can get said resources. Arena isn't the ONLY place for gold but one of the larger pieces of the puzzle.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    Good point @Demonzfyre and @WinterFields.

    Maybe it’s personal frustration and playing off and on, but it seems a lot of other folks have the same gold frustration.

    Again, they’re giving out champs and rank up catalysts like candy but no commensurate gold and/orISO.

    I have my champs I like but wouldn’t mind having more so it’s meh for me.

    I just do understand how people are seeing a gold issue.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,022 ★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    Just ignore them. Most of these posters are hilariously out of touch or have save thousands of gold crystals over years and don’t care. None of them are serious people.
    Respectfully, isn't it better to get answers from people who know how to manage their gold than those that don't?
    It would be if they actually acknowledged the problem instead of finding any and all reasons to make it a non-issue.

    None of them have demonstrated any such ability to think outside their own accounts.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    That’s an annoying reply. “I have this much gold why don’t you?”

    It’s lazy and just one person trying to say they’re better than you.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    That’s an annoying reply. “I have this much gold why don’t you?”

    It’s lazy and just one person trying to say they’re better than you.

    No. It's someone pointing out there's no shortage of it in the game.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    What a helpful reply. You don’t have any issues, so nobody else should either.

    Is there any post you don’t jump into and simp for kabaam for?

    This is not an insult or attack but an honest question.
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    You get gold from milestones and battlechips. It's not just milestones which most of you keep using as the example.
    Arena gold is laughable at the current state of the game.
    It was good back then, where 4*s and 5*s were the meta, but it’s irrelevant now that 6*s and 7*s are the normal.
    I dropped from 70mil+ to 40mil last months, and still not reaching lvl up top10% consistently as I used to do.
    I upgrade champs less than I used to do and still my gold balance is declining.
    My arena playtime is the same, but gold form there is enough to add few levels at a 6*, let alone a 7* champ.
    Only descent sources of gold currently at the game are Incursions and UC crystals from solo events or stores.
    Arena gold need a big revamp to be up to date with the current mainstream champ rarities needs.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    You get gold from milestones and battlechips. It's not just milestones which most of you keep using as the example.
    Arena gold is laughable at the current state of the game.
    It was good back then, where 4*s and 5*s were the meta, but it’s irrelevant now that 6*s and 7*s are the normal.
    I dropped from 70mil+ to 40mil last months, and still not reaching lvl up top10% consistently as I used to do.
    I upgrade champs less than I used to do and still my gold balance is declining.
    My arena playtime is the same, but gold form there is enough to add few levels at a 6*, let alone a 7* champ.
    Only descent sources of gold currently at the game are Incursions and UC crystals from solo events or stores.
    Arena gold need a big revamp to be up to date with the current mainstream champ rarities needs.
    Arena definitely shouldn't be the primary source of gold, but it's the best option once you hit the daily objectives and events/incursions for the month
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    ok. I don’t care enough to argue about it.
  • DUHveedDUHveed Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    Person 1: “I have a problem”
    Person 2: “Okay, well here are a few solutions”
    Person 1: “Those don’t solve my problem”
  • DUHveedDUHveed Member Posts: 357 ★★★

    Greekhit said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Spending an hour in arena will net you more gold than a quest will.

    Wait, you have to spend time in the game mode designed for this very problem?
    In our in arena will give you what maybe 100,000 gold???? Lmao!!! what so if I spent five hours in the game grinding hey monotonous grind I still wouldn’t have enough to take a 6star from rank1 to rank2 lol!!! Nobody should have to put in full-time hours to take a character from rank one to rank two. That anyone could argue this is just silly.
    You get gold from milestones and battlechips. It's not just milestones which most of you keep using as the example.
    Arena gold is laughable at the current state of the game.
    It was good back then, where 4*s and 5*s were the meta, but it’s irrelevant now that 6*s and 7*s are the normal.
    I dropped from 70mil+ to 40mil last months, and still not reaching lvl up top10% consistently as I used to do.
    I upgrade champs less than I used to do and still my gold balance is declining.
    My arena playtime is the same, but gold form there is enough to add few levels at a 6*, let alone a 7* champ.
    Only descent sources of gold currently at the game are Incursions and UC crystals from solo events or stores.
    Arena gold need a big revamp to be up to date with the current mainstream champ rarities needs.
    Arena definitely shouldn't be the primary source of gold, but it's the best option once you hit the daily objectives and events/incursions for the month
    I only pop my arena BCs twice a year, those are for the July 4th and Cyber Week(end) deals. 5 mil+ BCs nets enough gold to fund my rank ups for a couple of months, if not more. That’s not including all of additional gold you get from everything else.

  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    Person 1: I don’t have that particular problem.
    Person 2: A LOT of people besides you do.
    Person 1: Get good
  • DUHveedDUHveed Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    smdam38 said:

    Person 1: I don’t have that particular problem.
    Person 2: A LOT of people besides you do.
    Person 1: Get good

    No idea how “get good” even factors into this conversation, but okay

  • JustWantTheRewardsJustWantTheRewards Member Posts: 442 ★★★
    DUHveed said:

    smdam38 said:

    Person 1: I don’t have that particular problem.
    Person 2: A LOT of people besides you do.
    Person 1: Get good

    No idea how “get good” even factors into this conversation, but okay

    The majority of reasoning has been "if you don't have gold, that's your fault" with no attempts to actually understand how progressing players are struggling or attempting to manage their resources. Just saying they're doing it wrong isn't helpful or really anything at all.

    I also haven't seen a single person address what progressing players need to compete. An account with 15k prestige earning 5 million a month is going to have a wildly different outcome than an account with 8k prestige earning 5 mil a month. If good resource management means earning 5 million gold every month, good resource management will not be enough for progressing players. There are so many variables in things like this. High level players have significantly less moving parts to take into account, so summing up the idea of a gold shortage to only a few possibilities just shows ignorance.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    edited August 2023
    smdam38 said:

    Person 1: I don’t have that particular problem.
    Person 2: A LOT of people besides you do.
    Person 1: Get good

    No one said "Get good.". I'd also question "A LOT". Here's the bottom line. For years I've seen people claim that there's a shortage of one Resource or another. Sometimes it's actually a matter of needing their attention. Sometimes it's a personal issue.
    When we're talking about Gold, it's the one Resource that's readily available in the game on a steady basis. They've also added more in quite significant amounts. Regardless of how much they add, eventually people need to look at their own spending habits. That's not a "Get good." situation. That's a resource management situation.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    So your stance @GroundedWisdom is that gold shortage isn’t an issue? Because it isn’t for you.

    Thanks for proving my point.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    So your stance @GroundedWisdom is that gold shortage isn’t an issue? Because it isn’t for you.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    My stance is there's no shortage of Gold in the game currently, and people like to blame the system but refuse to look at how they spend it.
  • Annihilator13_Annihilator13_ Member Posts: 341 ★★

    Use this wisely.......
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