Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
Its funny how the excuse of "lesser participation" would cause long waits to match with someone was used in the past. If a large portion get easy access to advancing, with seeding lower tiers would be almost empty. That would cause new players to not be able to get matches. Every solution proposed has a negative effect, that is worse than the solution, specially if the solution is to just give rewards. If we let everyone advance further up, there wouldnt be anyone at the bottom to play, that is concerning for new players, advocate for those too.
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
This month, I saw some who didn't even bother with that. They said they don't care about the Dust. No one likes to be stuck in a loop.
Its funny how the excuse of "lesser participation" would cause long waits to match with someone was used in the past. If a large portion get easy access to advancing, with seeding lower tiers would be almost empty. That would cause new players to not be able to get matches. Every solution proposed has a negative effect, that is worse than the solution, specially if the solution is to just give rewards. If we let everyone advance further up, there wouldnt be anyone at the bottom to play, that is concerning for new players, advocate for those too.
Yeah this isn't about advancement. I don't know why that's always the counter argument.
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
That's not true. The people willing to compete will still play regardless. Saying that a game mode will die because some people can't get over a 50% win ratio is really stupid. I guess over 50% of every sports team should just quit and let every competition die. You guys act as if you guys were paying a participation fee and funding BGs.
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later.
It's just not. No ranked game that I know of allows players to progress with a 50% win ratio, I have no idea why some think BGs should be an exception.
Getting to plat 2 is a game of skill and skill alone, that much is pretty undeniable. From plat 2 and beyond, it's a game of improvement. Build your roster, learn to fight better, try not to run into any modders and you will see progress. If you're investing all of your resources into trying to make it further than 50% of players, while being in the bottom 50% strength wise, you're approaching the game mode wrong.
MCOC is the only game I know of where just spending time focusing on roster development will give you an outright competitive advantage. Then you factor in skill. If you have it, you win. If you don't, you might still. Get stronger and you will progress. Don't, and you won't. That's how every ranked competitive mode works.
If win 2/lose 1 is too generous, then Kabam can adjust two ways 1) a straight adjustment of medals needed, or 2) an adjustment to medals and medals needed.
+2/-1 with 6 medals allows 3-0 to advance, 4-2 to advance, etc. Seems fair.
+3/-2, for example, would allow for a 3-1 stretch to advance even if 7 medals were needed. If that’s too easy, say 8 medals so you can advance at 3-0 or 4-2.
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
That's not true. The people willing to compete will still play regardless. Saying that a game mode will die because some people can't get over a 50% win ratio is really stupid. I guess over 50% of every sports team should just quit and let every competition die. You guys act as if you guys were paying a participation fee and funding BGs.
Actually players are paying a participation fee. As far as I’m awared, to play a BGs match you need to pay 90 Elder Marks or 15 Energy, and that without counting in the time invest. Players are directly funding BGs with their resources and time. If they weren’t, the mode would had already being shut. And if for players that resources/time invest doesn’t give an equivalently worth value, then they will stop playing, meaning they will stop funding BGs, meaning Kabam will have to whether give more value for their resources/time spent or being forced to entirely shut the mode down. So simple 🤷♂️
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
That's not true. The people willing to compete will still play regardless. Saying that a game mode will die because some people can't get over a 50% win ratio is really stupid. I guess over 50% of every sports team should just quit and let every competition die. You guys act as if you guys were paying a participation fee and funding BGs.
Actually players are paying a participation fee. As far as I’m awared, to play a BGs match you need to pay 90 Elder Marks or 15 Energy, and that without counting in the time invest. Players are directly funding BGs with their resources and time. If they weren’t, the mode would had already being shut. And if for players that resources/time invest doesn’t give an equivalently worth value, then they will stop playing, meaning they will stop funding BGs, meaning Kabam will have to whether give more value for their resources/time spent or being forced to entirely shut the mode down. So simple 🤷♂️
I believe queuing should cost rp, or medals. Elder marks are a joke.
Within the Tiers, you need 100% Wins. You can advance with winning 2, losing one, winning two. That's not 50/50. That goes up to 5 within Vibranium. It's evident that some people are fundamentally for system like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation, and I'm not going to pretend it is.
You don't need a 100% win rate. Winning 4, losing two, winning 3 is a less than 80% win rate and easily enough to progress in Vibranium. Hell, you could even lose 95, win 5. That's a 5% win rate that could get you past Vibranium. Every player belongs in a certain tier. Every single one. Whatever tier you're able to manage a ~50% win rate in is exactly where you belong, you're just not meant to get any further and I'm not sure why you would expect to.
If players aren’t going further in more than half VT with a 50% win ratio, then the mode is set for death sooner or later. No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return. That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state. They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
That's not true. The people willing to compete will still play regardless. Saying that a game mode will die because some people can't get over a 50% win ratio is really stupid. I guess over 50% of every sports team should just quit and let every competition die. You guys act as if you guys were paying a participation fee and funding BGs.
Actually players are paying a participation fee. As far as I’m awared, to play a BGs match you need to pay 90 Elder Marks or 15 Energy, and that without counting in the time invest. Players are directly funding BGs with their resources and time. If they weren’t, the mode would had already being shut. And if for players that resources/time invest doesn’t give an equivalently worth value, then they will stop playing, meaning they will stop funding BGs, meaning Kabam will have to whether give more value for their resources/time spent or being forced to entirely shut the mode down. So simple 🤷♂️
And you not spending energy affects BGs how? How does your not spending 90 elder marks or 15 energy make a game mode die? How do the competitive players benefit from your participation and spending of 90 elder marks or 15 energy? Does it make the purse larger? Do i get more points or more rewards depending on how many people play it? Incursions have been **** for years, it didn't die... And you need to learn the meaning of the word funding.
I don't believe anyone advocated for everyone to advance further.
No, just to advance easier to tiers that are obviously not deserved since they barely have a 50% win ratio.
By that standard, the only people who "deserve" to play and advance are the ones in the top percentile. That's a guaranteed way to kill a competition that needs a certain number of Players of all different ranges of skill and progress to be successful. If you're under the impression you don't need anyone under you to run the game mode, I'd like to see you test that theory for 6 months to a year.
A lot of people are wasting funding by being here discussing the problems of BGs and letting energy go to waste, go fund it please cause I happen to enjoy it. Go go now, you guys are killing BGs by not spending energy.
I don't believe anyone advocated for everyone to advance further.
No, just to advance easier to tiers that are obviously not deserved since they barely have a 50% win ratio.
By that standard, the only people who "deserve" to play and advance are the ones in the top percentile. That's a guaranteed way to kill a competition that needs a certain number of Players of all different ranges of skill and progress to be successful. If you're under the impression you don't need anyone under you to run the game mode, I'd like to see you test that theory for 6 months to a year.
Not sure why a range is needed when they clearly said they are looking for the best of the best not the best of the average.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
I can't believe the argument is about defending people who can't win over 50% of their matches per tier. And yes its per tier, they should be demoted a tier for losing too many matches too
Since the discussion get very heated on here, I thought it would be much easier to just do a Poll, people can show their view without being aggressive with each other.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
Its not really a full product is it? Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
Since the discussion get very heated on here, I thought it would be much easier to just do a Poll, people can show their view without being aggressive with each other.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
Its not really a full product is it? Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
What? You're insinuating the idea that Kabam holds the thought that some Players don't matter, they just can't come outright and say it. Not only is that ignorant, it's simply not true.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
Its not really a full product is it? Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
What? You're insinuating the idea that Kabam holds the thought that some Players don't matter, they just can't come outright and say it. Not only is that ignorant, it's simply not true.
I never said that, who is twisting words now? Why are you saying Players don't matter as if I was talking about the WHOLE GAME?...Players matter of course they do Paying and Free Ones; but in this particular GAME MODE, their success and reward acquisition matters up to a limited point based on performance.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
Its not really a full product is it? Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
What? You're insinuating the idea that Kabam holds the thought that some Players don't matter, they just can't come outright and say it. Not only is that ignorant, it's simply not true.
I never said that, who is twisting words now? Why are you saying Players don't matter as if I was talking about the WHOLE GAME?...Players matter of course they do Paying and Free Ones; but in this particular GAME MODE, their success and reward acquisition matters up to a limited point based on performance.
You said what you said, and we can all read it. I have no idea where you're coming from about people not working on advancing their skill and Roster, though. I have years of understanding what they're saying. I don't need you to filter it for me. Your perception is colored with your own judgments in this case. I'd let Kabam speak for themselves.
As in, only the best of the best will succeed to the top. You're reading way too much into that.
Kabam will never tell you certain people don't matter, its bad marketting. Why do you think they never made an official post about Plat2?... They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
If anyone working for me held the idea that some people using my product don't matter because they're at a different point of growth, they'd be explaining that reasoning in the unemployment line.
Its not really a full product is it? Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
What? You're insinuating the idea that Kabam holds the thought that some Players don't matter, they just can't come outright and say it. Not only is that ignorant, it's simply not true.
I never said that, who is twisting words now? Why are you saying Players don't matter as if I was talking about the WHOLE GAME?...Players matter of course they do Paying and Free Ones; but in this particular GAME MODE, their success and reward acquisition matters up to a limited point based on performance.
You said what you said, and we can all read it. I have no idea where you're coming from about people not working on advancing their skill and Roster, though. I have years of understanding what they're saying. I don't need you to filter it for me. Your perception is colored with your own judgments in this case. I'd let Kabam speak for themselves.
I thought this was a forum and people could present their opinions? I will be as loud as I can be and you are not gonna shut me up (ROFL).
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No one will keep playing a mode where they waste time and resources just to get nothing in return.
That’s the recipe for destroying a mode, and Kabam despite being warned first seasons and changed things to 2-1 medals, decided to revert their decision and bring BGs back to their prior frustrating state.
They will need to keep bribing each month players, with monthly objectives like they do last couple months, if they don’t change the setup to avoid BGs death spiral.
Every solution proposed has a negative effect, that is worse than the solution, specially if the solution is to just give rewards.
If we let everyone advance further up, there wouldnt be anyone at the bottom to play, that is concerning for new players, advocate for those too.
No one likes to be stuck in a loop.
The people willing to compete will still play regardless.
Saying that a game mode will die because some people can't get over a 50% win ratio is really stupid. I guess over 50% of every sports team should just quit and let every competition die.
You guys act as if you guys were paying a participation fee and funding BGs.
Getting to plat 2 is a game of skill and skill alone, that much is pretty undeniable. From plat 2 and beyond, it's a game of improvement. Build your roster, learn to fight better, try not to run into any modders and you will see progress. If you're investing all of your resources into trying to make it further than 50% of players, while being in the bottom 50% strength wise, you're approaching the game mode wrong.
MCOC is the only game I know of where just spending time focusing on roster development will give you an outright competitive advantage. Then you factor in skill. If you have it, you win. If you don't, you might still. Get stronger and you will progress. Don't, and you won't. That's how every ranked competitive mode works.
+2/-1 with 6 medals allows 3-0 to advance, 4-2 to advance, etc. Seems fair.
+3/-2, for example, would allow for a 3-1 stretch to advance even if 7 medals were needed. If that’s too easy, say 8 medals so you can advance at 3-0 or 4-2.
As far as I’m awared, to play a BGs match you need to pay 90 Elder Marks or 15 Energy, and that without counting in the time invest.
Players are directly funding BGs with their resources and time.
If they weren’t, the mode would had already being shut.
And if for players that resources/time invest doesn’t give an equivalently worth value, then they will stop playing, meaning they will stop funding BGs, meaning Kabam will have to whether give more value for their resources/time spent or being forced to entirely shut the mode down.
So simple 🤷♂️
How does your not spending 90 elder marks or 15 energy make a game mode die? How do the competitive players benefit from your participation and spending of 90 elder marks or 15 energy? Does it make the purse larger? Do i get more points or more rewards depending on how many people play it?
Incursions have been **** for years, it didn't die...
And you need to learn the meaning of the word funding.
They straight up said people won't be able to climb far up without working on skill and roster. Not sure how I am reading too much into it, as opposed to you reading too little or being in denial
You can find the poll here
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/347754/how-should-bg-change
You can put your view through that if people prefer.
Hope everyone have a good week ahead.
Its a game mode within a game, its part of a product. I hate cherry starbursts, doesn't stop me from buying a pack and avoiding the cherry ones.
You're insinuating the idea that Kabam holds the thought that some Players don't matter, they just can't come outright and say it. Not only is that ignorant, it's simply not true.
Why are you saying Players don't matter as if I was talking about the WHOLE GAME?...Players matter of course they do Paying and Free Ones; but in this particular GAME MODE, their success and reward acquisition matters up to a limited point based on performance.
I have no idea where you're coming from about people not working on advancing their skill and Roster, though.
I have years of understanding what they're saying. I don't need you to filter it for me. Your perception is colored with your own judgments in this case. I'd let Kabam speak for themselves.
Can't believe how backwards this became