And the reason why I called this post "Insane" paragon gauntlet glitch instead of just paragon gauntlet glitch is because some of the summoners were able to run this gauntlet and farm the subsequent rewards 3+ times. That's equivalent to 9k+ 7* shards, 3+ T6 basic, 3+ T3 alpha and much more. All this for just 18 fights. I don't care if im downvoted on this or thrashed. But my only objective is to let other summoners be informed and ask for what's their right.
And the reason why I called this post "Insane" paragon gauntlet glitch instead of just paragon gauntlet glitch is because some of the summoners were able to run this gauntlet and farm the subsequent rewards 3+ times. That's equivalent to 9k+ 7* shards, 3+ T6 basic, 3+ T3 alpha and much more. I don't care if im downvoted on this or thrashed. But my only objective is to let other summoners be informed and ask for what's their right.
I always hear that but haven’t seen any proof. You got a video for us?
If it’s the case that you easily could have farmed 10x the rewards (30k 7* Shards, 10x T3A/T6B, 250% T6CC Frags, 6* Relics and more) … then this is way bigger than Treasure Island was in terms of rewards (and those will 100% get a ban if it’s true).
But yeah, way more players abused Treasure Island in 2020 … this Paragon exploit was only abused by a few.
Maybe because it concerns a lot of players, and still no answer from Kabam on any of the posts? I’m not saying it’s the best to spread the issue over several posts, rather than being concentrated in one, but in serious issues like that popping several posts at forums usually happen. That’s why we have the merge action from moderators, that should do with all these posts also.
And the reason why I called this post "Insane" paragon gauntlet glitch instead of just paragon gauntlet glitch is because some of the summoners were able to run this gauntlet and farm the subsequent rewards 3+ times. That's equivalent to 9k+ 7* shards, 3+ T6 basic, 3+ T3 alpha and much more. I don't care if im downvoted on this or thrashed. But my only objective is to let other summoners be informed and ask for what's their right.
I always hear that but haven’t seen any proof. You got a video for us?
If it’s the case that you easily could have farmed 10x the rewards (30k 7* Shards, 10x T3A/T6B, 250% T6CC Frags, 6* Relics and more) … then this is way bigger than Treasure Island was in terms of rewards (and those will 100% get a ban if it’s true).
But yeah, way more players abused Treasure Island in 2020 … this Paragon exploit was only abused by a few.
I'll definitely link in the video if I do come across it. Members of my alliance let me know of this where they could run it twice if not just once.
I think this is more impactful and important than people realize, is not just about rewards, it's about trust In the past people who exploited some bugs like this one were banned but lately kabam has been soft about it and letting it go, jax clearly said people weren't able to get the extra rewards and also we know it's an obvious exploit, no one was like ''oh maybe if i ran again i will get more rewards, let's try'' c'mon, you knew what you were doing
Where do we go from here if kabam doesn't take any action, either ban or compensation? How do we trust now that the next bug we need to be careful? Me for example knew about the bug with time enough to do at least 3 runs and i didn't do it cause i was like ''ain't no way kabam will let this go away'' and here we are
If nothing is done about, next bug hell yeah i'll take advantage and i'm sure more people will do the same cause we can assume that nothing will be done about it, because we have no trust anymore about these exploit rules and etc
What about those of us unaware of this glitch? I did an extra run to test my newly ascended champion and got extra rewards. I have yet to open/use those rewards. But not everyone is "exploiting" a glitch
What about those of us unaware of this glitch? I did an extra run to test my newly ascended champion and got extra rewards. I have yet to open/use those rewards. But not everyone is "exploiting" a glitch
This is exactly why a compensation sounds more reasonable compared to bans with which kabam went through in the hades rift event. There are always going to be summoners who have no idea about certain glitches and end up on the crosshair for all the wrong reasons.
Children. You need to look up the terms insane and exploits and back up a bit. It's a million (billion?) Dollar gambling company. I don't know that a few players receiving a small amount of extra rewards or even compensating those who are paragon who didn't will affect their numbers. But good for you for looking out for kabam. Their numbers appreciate ya. 🙏
Idk man. I was under the impression that we were givin an extra run because those who didn't even complete eq were givin the option to run this gauntlet. So why did I put the effort in if they didn't have to? Someone on global made it seem like it was a compensation from kabam. I wouldn't call it an exploit. Not this time. Now. If you could do it 15 times sure. Exploit. But I also think it's absurd that they suspend people for 'exploiting' their mistakes when they exploit as a company players every day with odds, whale bundles, and nerfing champs they entice you to spend money on in the first place. But that's another discussion entirely I suppose. #gambleawayunlessftp
I purposefully didn't re-run it in case it was considered an exploit, but Kabam aren't even acknowledging it and now people who didn't re-run it are at a disadvantage. Idk man, feels bad. I didn't double dip on battlegrounds rewards either. Way to make your honest players feel under-appreciated, Kabam.
Children. You need to look up the terms insane and exploits and back up a bit. It's a million (billion?) Dollar gambling company. I don't know that a few players receiving a small amount of extra rewards or even compensating those who are paragon who didn't will affect their numbers. But good for you for looking out for kabam. Their numbers appreciate ya. 🙏
"Insane" is a bit hyperbolic. "Exploit" on its own doesn't imply scale, so you can have a small-scale or large-scale exploit, it's still an exploit.
I've seen the streams of players "testing" the exploit. They clearly knew there was a good chance they would get the extra rewards, rewards that they shouldn't have been able to get. The problem now isn't so much the rewards, the problem is the track record Kabam are building up on creating the same types of issues and their subsequent handling or lack thereof.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I agree with what you are trying to say here. But like another user mentioned, it becomes a question of consistency as to how kabam deals with such bugs. A lot of the summoners didn't exploit it because they genuinely believed a ban could be incoming if they did so. And the least kabam can do is to address this situation and not ignore it. And no, no one's upset that others got the gauntlet rewards and that they didn't. What we are upset about is how inconsistent ban mechanics are and how certain things are just outright ignored.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I agree with what you are trying to say here. But like another user mentioned, it becomes a question of consistency as to how kabam deals with such bugs. A lot of the summoners didn't exploit it because they genuinely believed a ban could be incoming if they did so. And the least kabam can do is to address this situation and not ignore it. And no, no one's upset that others got the gauntlet rewards and that they didn't. What we are upset about is how inconsistent ban mechanics are and how certain things are just outright ignored.
This is why I've consistently said that it's impossible to do and just a Kabam L. How would you separate the people who did it knowingly from the people who run that quest for event quest and hero use (to farm revives for Necropolis)?
If Kabam decides they want to give compensation, great. What is offputting is the constant "I deserve compensation" attitude from so many players and a few content creators.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I agree with what you are trying to say here. But like another user mentioned, it becomes a question of consistency as to how kabam deals with such bugs. A lot of the summoners didn't exploit it because they genuinely believed a ban could be incoming if they did so. And the least kabam can do is to address this situation and not ignore it. And no, no one's upset that others got the gauntlet rewards and that they didn't. What we are upset about is how inconsistent ban mechanics are and how certain things are just outright ignored.
This is why I've consistently said that it's impossible to do and just a Kabam L. How would you separate the people who did it knowingly from the people who run that quest for event quest and hero use (to farm revives for Necropolis)?
If Kabam decides they want to give compensation, great. What is offputting is the constant "I deserve compensation" attitude from so many players and a few content creators.
They have been able to segregate the exploiters from the summoners who didn't exploit, in the past events too. And checking on who did more than the number of runs intended for rewards is not something that's impossible. For now, forget a compensation, even kabam addressing this situation is more than enough.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I agree with what you are trying to say here. But like another user mentioned, it becomes a question of consistency as to how kabam deals with such bugs. A lot of the summoners didn't exploit it because they genuinely believed a ban could be incoming if they did so. And the least kabam can do is to address this situation and not ignore it. And no, no one's upset that others got the gauntlet rewards and that they didn't. What we are upset about is how inconsistent ban mechanics are and how certain things are just outright ignored.
This is why I've consistently said that it's impossible to do and just a Kabam L. How would you separate the people who did it knowingly from the people who run that quest for event quest and hero use (to farm revives for Necropolis)?
If Kabam decides they want to give compensation, great. What is offputting is the constant "I deserve compensation" attitude from so many players and a few content creators.
You CAN'T reliably distinct who did that with the intend to farm EQ, from who did that to double dip (or more?) Gauntlet rewards. But the thing you CAN do, is to whether strip the additional rewards from those who intentionally or not got them extra, or compensate the rest with the same amount of rewards. It's called justice, in case you aren't aware of 🤷
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
Again I'm about to agree with GW (sheesh). Bugs happen, a few profit and other don't. The reason why the idea of rewards for following the rules feels off is because you understand that the intent is not to actually follow the rules; it's saying that unless they are rewarded, they may not follow the rules next time. A soft form of blackmail. That's why it feels off; you can suss out that this guy is just upset others got stuff he didn't get (OP's own masked greed).
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
I agree with what you are trying to say here. But like another user mentioned, it becomes a question of consistency as to how kabam deals with such bugs. A lot of the summoners didn't exploit it because they genuinely believed a ban could be incoming if they did so. And the least kabam can do is to address this situation and not ignore it. And no, no one's upset that others got the gauntlet rewards and that they didn't. What we are upset about is how inconsistent ban mechanics are and how certain things are just outright ignored.
Consistency in the sense that you're using it here is not possible simply because these things are dealt with on a case-by-case basis. It really depends on the situation, the overall effect, the extent to which people took advantage of it, a number of factors. There really isnt a copy-and-paste action to take.
I purposefully didn't re-run it in case it was considered an exploit, but Kabam aren't even acknowledging it and now people who didn't re-run it are at a disadvantage. Idk man, feels bad. I didn't double dip on battlegrounds rewards either. Way to make your honest players feel under-appreciated, Kabam.
I didn’t even know about double dipping on BG rewards… lots of players probably fell behind because of that one which in turn adds fuel to this fire. Again, as stated earlier this one feels different as so many people were collecting these just trying to complete 22hr milestones
Man. People are so extreme, this was live in the game for the full 2 days, nothing was communicated in a manor that directed players on if this was an exploit or not, and what about players that don’t come to the forums for information?
This “double dipping” could have been accidentally picked up by plenty of people just rerunning it for event quest 22hr, or hero use 22hr solo events, now if someone farmed it, then clearly they are exploiting, but how is the team going to determine, objectively who collected rewards by accident.
If a corrective action is needed then it’s either an apology with a claw back of the rewards or an apology with an issuance/opportunity to collect rewards other got.
Because you can’t separate intent from accident here a ban hammer would be a gross overreaction.
Man. People are so extreme, this was live in the game for the full 2 days, nothing was communicated in a manor that directed players on if this was an exploit or not, and what about players that don’t come to the forums for information?
This “double dipping” could have been accidentally picked up by plenty of people just rerunning it for event quest 22hr, or hero use 22hr solo events, now if someone farmed it, then clearly they are exploiting, but how is the team going to determine, objectively who collected rewards by accident.
If a corrective action is needed then it’s either an apology with a claw back of the rewards or an apology with an issuance/opportunity to collect rewards other got.
Because you can’t separate intent from accident here a ban hammer would be a gross overreaction.
I definitely do not think people who got one set of extra rewards should be banned, and I think most people on the forums and in the community are saying the same thing: just give out an extra set of rewards to the people who only ran the gauntlet once.
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If it’s the case that you easily could have farmed 10x the rewards (30k 7* Shards, 10x T3A/T6B, 250% T6CC Frags, 6* Relics and more) … then this is way bigger than Treasure Island was in terms of rewards (and those will 100% get a ban if it’s true).
But yeah, way more players abused Treasure Island in 2020 … this Paragon exploit was only abused by a few.
I’m not saying it’s the best to spread the issue over several posts, rather than being concentrated in one, but in serious issues like that popping several posts at forums usually happen.
That’s why we have the merge action from moderators, that should do with all these posts also.
In the past people who exploited some bugs like this one were banned but lately kabam has been soft about it and letting it go, jax clearly said people weren't able to get the extra rewards and also we know it's an obvious exploit, no one was like ''oh maybe if i ran again i will get more rewards, let's try'' c'mon, you knew what you were doing
Where do we go from here if kabam doesn't take any action, either ban or compensation? How do we trust now that the next bug we need to be careful? Me for example knew about the bug with time enough to do at least 3 runs and i didn't do it cause i was like ''ain't no way kabam will let this go away'' and here we are
If nothing is done about, next bug hell yeah i'll take advantage and i'm sure more people will do the same cause we can assume that nothing will be done about it, because we have no trust anymore about these exploit rules and etc
"Exploit" on its own doesn't imply scale, so you can have a small-scale or large-scale exploit, it's still an exploit.
I've seen the streams of players "testing" the exploit. They clearly knew there was a good chance they would get the extra rewards, rewards that they shouldn't have been able to get. The problem now isn't so much the rewards, the problem is the track record Kabam are building up on creating the same types of issues and their subsequent handling or lack thereof.
OP, Kabam's L's are not the players fault and no one deserves or is owed compensation for not exploiting a bug. If they do give something out, accept it with gratitude but demanding it is the poorest of forms.
If Kabam decides they want to give compensation, great. What is offputting is the constant "I deserve compensation" attitude from so many players and a few content creators.
But the thing you CAN do, is to whether strip the additional rewards from those who intentionally or not got them extra, or compensate the rest with the same amount of rewards.
It's called justice, in case you aren't aware of 🤷
This “double dipping” could have been accidentally picked up by plenty of people just rerunning it for event quest 22hr, or hero use 22hr solo events, now if someone farmed it, then clearly they are exploiting, but how is the team going to determine, objectively who collected rewards by accident.
If a corrective action is needed then it’s either an apology with a claw back of the rewards or an apology with an issuance/opportunity to collect rewards other got.
Because you can’t separate intent from accident here a ban hammer would be a gross overreaction.