Winter of Woe Community Chat [MERGED THREADS]

Jazz_Messenger · February 9

Emilia90 said:
After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭

I am in the same boat. I picked Hulk from 7* Selector from Necropolis. I have Guillotine 2099. But my highest Sandman is only 4*…

ahmynuts · February 9

Jazz_Messenger said:

Grub88 said:
So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
What other options do we have for Sinister Six? I am a Valiant player, but my highest star Sandman is 4*.

Mysterio and Shocker can do it*

Emphasis on can

Jazz_Messenger · February 9

ahmynuts said:

Jazz_Messenger said:

Grub88 said:
So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
What other options do we have for Sinister Six? I am a Valiant player, but my highest star Sandman is 4*.
Mysterio and Shocker can do it*

Emphasis on can

Thank you for the advice. How bad is the fight with Mysterio and Shocker??? I can also see if I get 5* or 6* Sandman before week 1 ends.

leftykiller8 · February 9

Kabam Jax said:
Would love to hop in here and add some additional insight.

There are times where choices are made or systems are implemented when we know Summoners are going to be unhappy, but those changes are deemed necessary. Take a look at removing revive farming, most recently, as an example. Just because we know this choice is going to be unpopular, doesn't mean they aren't warranted. Sometimes there is a fundamental difference between what Summoners want and what the game needs, we've discussed this concept here before.

What you're seeing in the livestream isn't us trying to sell you on the energy being a positive, because that would be ridiculous.

We also spoke honestly about why this energy cost needs to exist. But for extra context, there are many players who would dive into this type of content, practice, lose and restart in order to work towards a solo, literally requiring no cost to their account. I don't mean cost in a financial sense, but as we said on the stream, Summoners aren't meant to get high rewards for literally nothing. (don't say time; that isn't a relevant resource in the game's economical balance).

Aside from restating what happened in the livestream, I'm not sure what the commentary is here? We presented information we knew wouldn't be popular from the community, but knew was necessary from a game design perspective? If that's all, glad we're aligned.

@Kabam Jax
How is time spent in game not a resource in the game’s economical balance? Time is THE resource that the entire game is built around. It’s exactly why it takes time or units to gain energy back and why there are cooldown timers in Arena and Incursions, which you can also bypass with units. I could instead spend the time in Arena, or auto-fighting through lower EQ content, which would get me units, which Kabam sells for MONEY. Therefore, time is incredibly valuable. You can’t sell us units that we can use to buy back our time, and then say that time is not valuable. That is as much of a direct contradiction as saying that somebody is a married bachelor. Quod erat demonstrandum, as my philosophy professor would say.

Winter of Woe and content like it are meant to be extremely difficult, and are impossible to solo on your first try. (If MSD did it on his first try, he doesn’t count, even though I doubt he solo’d on his first try too.) The energy consumption alone gates the content from people who don’t want to spend a crazy amount of revives on it. Summer of Pain and little or no energy cost with it, and that was with the revive farm being alive and well. Revive farming is no longer a thing, so why the energy cost? I’m not advocating for the return of the revive farm. It’s somewhat of a good thing that it’s gone. I will never do Abyss without it, but that’s because that content is specifically made to take hundreds of revives, the inventory caps make it to where I can’t save up that many, and the rewards aren’t worth the unit spend.

I think Kabam is making a very shortsighted trade-off here. Little/no energy consumption would create greater player engagement with the content, which is something that Kabam has claimed to want in the past (this is one of the specific reasons Kabam gave for taking the revive farm away in the first place.) I personally love content like Summer of Pain and Winter of Woe. I spent hours working those Summer of Pain fights, and loved every minute of it. Spent units and revives where my lack of skill and roster were insufficient. I even went back in after my objectives were complete to try to do better and grow my skill. I ignored Arena completely (which is a sacrifice of hundreds if not thousands of units), because it was the most fun and engaging content Kabam had made.

I really love this content, and I really want to engage with it. I don’t mind spending my time, units, and revives. My issue is that you’ve near doubled the price with the high energy cost here. Every time I drop an energy refill on it, I honestly question why I’m doing it and it takes the fun out of challenging it. Content creators are having the same problem. You’ve literally lowered community engagement with this. MSD has released one solo per category. Normally we’d see a lot more from him, featuring what you could do with a 2* or 3* champ. Other content creators would be trying multiple other champs too. I think the energy cost is a clear reason why we haven’t seen that, and will continue to not see it.

The energy cost kills hype for the content, lowers community engagement, demotivates players, and makes the game less fun. And for what reason? To make it cost more? Why? We’ve already established that it had a cost, why was there a need for more of a cost? Again, I think this is a shortsighted decision that will cost Kabam more in the long run.

Viper198787 · February 9

Jefechuta said:

ahmynuts said:

Jefechuta said:
I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.

…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.

Jefechuta · February 9

Viper198787 said:

Jefechuta said:

ahmynuts said:

Jefechuta said:
I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.
…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.

They already said that the next fights are going to be easier than this one.

Two things here, if it is that damn awful to do the fight that you are able to do it the 14 day, because it is too hard, maybe it is not something you should be investing time, because as I said earlier, this is not supposed to be beatable for everyone, and thats already stated several times.

Next one, the fact that you spend it all there, and you dont have enough for other content, that doesnt change the fact that energy is free, and If you really need that much energy due to how hard it is for you to do the content, you have the refills, which are also free, if you grind a little bit of arena you will get 30 units every time you need them for the content you wanna spend the energy on.

BGs is a bad example, you have the marks also to do the fights, if you choose to use Energy thats a you problem.

We cant get angry because of everything, the fight sucks, the will give us a free point just for completion, and the next fights are easier, and Abs Man will be tuned down for the last one so it is not this hard.

I think everything else is kinda fair.

ahmynuts · February 9

Jazz_Messenger said:

ahmynuts said:

Jazz_Messenger said:

Grub88 said:
So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
What other options do we have for Sinister Six? I am a Valiant player, but my highest star Sandman is 4*.
Mysterio and Shocker can do it*

Emphasis on can
Thank you for the advice. How bad is the fight with Mysterio and Shocker??? I can also see if I get 5* or 6* Sandman before week 1 ends.

Neither are really ideal. MSD got a solo with shocker (lol of course) so i'd say watch his video to see how generally what the loop is. For Mysterio though i havent seen anyone actually use him but on paper with his abilities i think it could be done

GroundedWisdom · February 9

There's nothing fair about the Fight. That's the point you're missing. No one said it should be for everyone. When 95% of the Players at the Paragon level and above all indicate that the Fight is overtuned, then it's likely overtuned. Telling them it's not for them is quite frankly dismissive. A handful of Players complaining about it, sure. Even 30% of the Players, skill issue. The overwhelming majority, and that doesn't apply.

Jefechuta · February 9

GroundedWisdom said:
There's nothing fair about the Fight. That's the point you're missing. No one said it should be for everyone. When 95% of the Players at the Paragon level and above all indicate that the Fight is overtuned, then it's likely overtuned. Telling them it's not for them is quite frankly dismissive. A handful of Players complaining about it, sure. Even 30% of the Players, skill issue. The overwhelming majority, and that doesn't apply.

You only read the "Everything else is fair", I already said that the fights sucks.

Polygon · February 9

Jazz_Messenger said:

Emilia90 said:
After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭
I am in the same boat. I picked Hulk from 7* Selector from Necropolis. I have Guillotine 2099. But my highest Sandman is only 4*…

I really feel bad for you. I don’t have the 6* (for some reason almost everyone has him as a 6 or 7*) so they cant feel the pain I’m about to have using the 5* ascended.

Shocker isnt ideal for the fight and I wouldn’t even bother with Mysterio.

The worst part about this event despite all the complains is that its just so frustratingly limited on options. I have to use a 5* Sandman that i just took to r5 and ascended

GroundedWisdom · February 9

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:
There's nothing fair about the Fight. That's the point you're missing. No one said it should be for everyone. When 95% of the Players at the Paragon level and above all indicate that the Fight is overtuned, then it's likely overtuned. Telling them it's not for them is quite frankly dismissive. A handful of Players complaining about it, sure. Even 30% of the Players, skill issue. The overwhelming majority, and that doesn't apply.
You only read the "Everything else is fair", I already said that the fights sucks.

The Fight is the problem. Granted they gave people a break on the Robot Objective. Which is thoughtful. Nothing has changed about the Fight though. So it's not a solution.

KingSama · February 9

Winter Woe is actually a spit in the Face for paragons who did necro because the titan shards milestone at the end doesn't apply to paragons because valiants get extra carinas each week I'm assuming. Worthy reason to quit imagine putting all that effort into this dumb content and not even be offered every milestone 😉

Graves_3 · February 9

Jefechuta said:

Viper198787 said:

Jefechuta said:

ahmynuts said:

Jefechuta said:
I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.
…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.
They already said that the next fights are going to be easier than this one.

Two things here, if it is that damn awful to do the fight that you are able to do it the 14 day, because it is too hard, maybe it is not something you should be investing time, because as I said earlier, this is not supposed to be beatable for everyone, and thats already stated several times.

Next one, the fact that you spend it all there, and you dont have enough for other content, that doesnt change the fact that energy is free, and If you really need that much energy due to how hard it is for you to do the content, you have the refills, which are also free, if you grind a little bit of arena you will get 30 units every time you need them for the content you wanna spend the energy on.

BGs is a bad example, you have the marks also to do the fights, if you choose to use Energy thats a you problem.

We cant get angry because of everything, the fight sucks, the will give us a free point just for completion, and the next fights are easier, and Abs Man will be tuned down for the last one so it is not this hard.

I think everything else is kinda fair.

Please read the announcement again. They did not say that the next fights are easier. They said they expect few of the next fights to be easier. They both don’t mean the same.

XSquad · February 9

The energy cost does not bother me at all....the fight bothers me. Needs to be toned down now not later. Keep the enregy cost for I care. The fight was overtuned with bad objectives. Objectives should have been more class based and not specific tags except for Valiant. There was no indication that I was going to need a Sandman when gifting was active or that I would severly be punished for not pulling a Hulk. You could have mentioned that I would need to have an acended champ of every tag lol

mostlyharmlessn · February 9

Considering the amount of Woe this is causing, i'm going to say Kabam hit the mark with the name of the event at least....

o_o · February 9

GroundedWisdom said:

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:
There's nothing fair about the Fight. That's the point you're missing. No one said it should be for everyone. When 95% of the Players at the Paragon level and above all indicate that the Fight is overtuned, then it's likely overtuned. Telling them it's not for them is quite frankly dismissive. A handful of Players complaining about it, sure. Even 30% of the Players, skill issue. The overwhelming majority, and that doesn't apply.
You only read the "Everything else is fair", I already said that the fights sucks.
The Fight is the problem. Granted they gave people a break on the Robot Objective. Which is thoughtful. Nothing has changed about the Fight though. So it's not a solution.

The most fascinating subplot in this WoW saga has been the GW heel-face turn... i love it

Viper198787 · February 9

Jefechuta said:

Viper198787 said:

Jefechuta said:

ahmynuts said:

Jefechuta said:
I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.
…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.
They already said that the next fights are going to be easier than this one.

Two things here, if it is that damn awful to do the fight that you are able to do it the 14 day, because it is too hard, maybe it is not something you should be investing time, because as I said earlier, this is not supposed to be beatable for everyone, and thats already stated several times.

Next one, the fact that you spend it all there, and you dont have enough for other content, that doesnt change the fact that energy is free, and If you really need that much energy due to how hard it is for you to do the content, you have the refills, which are also free, if you grind a little bit of arena you will get 30 units every time you need them for the content you wanna spend the energy on.

BGs is a bad example, you have the marks also to do the fights, if you choose to use Energy thats a you problem.

We cant get angry because of everything, the fight sucks, the will give us a free point just for completion, and the next fights are easier, and Abs Man will be tuned down for the last one so it is not this hard.

I think everything else is kinda fair.

Energy is not “free”.

Jefechuta · February 9

Graves_3 said:

Jefechuta said:

Viper198787 said:

Jefechuta said:

ahmynuts said:

Jefechuta said:
I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.
…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.
They already said that the next fights are going to be easier than this one.

Two things here, if it is that damn awful to do the fight that you are able to do it the 14 day, because it is too hard, maybe it is not something you should be investing time, because as I said earlier, this is not supposed to be beatable for everyone, and thats already stated several times.

Next one, the fact that you spend it all there, and you dont have enough for other content, that doesnt change the fact that energy is free, and If you really need that much energy due to how hard it is for you to do the content, you have the refills, which are also free, if you grind a little bit of arena you will get 30 units every time you need them for the content you wanna spend the energy on.

BGs is a bad example, you have the marks also to do the fights, if you choose to use Energy thats a you problem.

We cant get angry because of everything, the fight sucks, the will give us a free point just for completion, and the next fights are easier, and Abs Man will be tuned down for the last one so it is not this hard.

I think everything else is kinda fair.
Please read the announcement again. They did not say that the next fights are easier. They said they expect few of the next fights to be easier. They both don’t mean the same.

So why should we be complaining about Energy because the fights are hard when we only know one single fight which they stated it harder than they wanted it to be? As I said earlier, everybody was okay about the energy till the first fight arrived, so the energy was never the problem, the problem is the fight itself.

We cannot attach the problem to something thats not related to it. If you buy an Iphone and you receive a Nokia, the problem is not the price of it, but the product itself, the product here is the damn fight, not the energy.

Shiroihara · February 9

o_o said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:
There's nothing fair about the Fight. That's the point you're missing. No one said it should be for everyone. When 95% of the Players at the Paragon level and above all indicate that the Fight is overtuned, then it's likely overtuned. Telling them it's not for them is quite frankly dismissive. A handful of Players complaining about it, sure. Even 30% of the Players, skill issue. The overwhelming majority, and that doesn't apply.
You only read the "Everything else is fair", I already said that the fights sucks.
The Fight is the problem. Granted they gave people a break on the Robot Objective. Which is thoughtful. Nothing has changed about the Fight though. So it's not a solution.
The most fascinating subplot in this WoW saga has been the GW heel-face turn... i love it

Will we know why he starts random words with a capital letter? Tune in again tomorrow to find out.

Ming_Mow129 · February 9

The #gamma #robot choices are garbage why can't we just use anyone those champs are not good choices for this fight but doable. Stop putting a block on all the viable options that we can use for objectives. I would really like to see a live video stream of someone from kabam actually do this fight I think it would funny as f*** to watch them do it.

Ming_Mow129 · February 9

Yeah another untested content from kabam (or) they intentionally gave us the objectives with the worst viable options to use as per usual. Kabam has turned there game into a joke and want to try and break everyone's wallets or purses depending on gender. If kabam jax or Mike want to break out there purses for this content they can I will not. So as usual stay broke summoner's and remember to tip the A.I. on your way out lol

gage201205 · February 9

Its funny ive seen them fix bugs, nerf champs, give out compensation all within 24 hours. But this Absorbing man they dont touch, at least remove the unstoppable node. The match is way overtuned and here we are working around an unstoppable with heal block champs. They could of fixed it but they didnt makes you wonder if they actually play their game.

Graves_3 · February 9

@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.

Logan00 · February 9

One of the most frustrating and against player content I have seen so far in the game. The energy cost the regen is really nonsense

Poesie66959 · February 9

I'm 2 days in, 10 or so full revives and using R4 She Hulk. I am a Paragon player, I've been here over 7 years with a fairly wide roster. I spend a little, I am not whale but get the sigil, unit deal, a couple of things here and there - probably like most. Best I can do is get Abs Man down to around 30% that's about it, one mistake and you're done. Throw in a revive you say, second go seems him go ultra defensive and suddenly back to 60/70%. Then I come here and I see that I am not alone - the whole community is up in arms. This is disgraceful and the comments from Kabam are simply... get gud we're changing nothing. Now maybe this does only cater to their elite player base and that is absolutely fine, but then just say so. I have seen all the faux pas' that Kabam have done over the years and there have been some whoppers, this is the first time I have started to think that this game is no longer for me, they are catering to an audience that spends big. 10 energy per try, are you kidding me? This is as about as tone deaf as you can get for designing 'fun' - listen to your audience and find out who's actually having any fun!

So Kabam, be careful, you are pushing your core players to the edge by pandering to an elite few...

Jazz_Messenger · February 9

Polygon said:

Jazz_Messenger said:

Emilia90 said:
After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭
I am in the same boat. I picked Hulk from 7* Selector from Necropolis. I have Guillotine 2099. But my highest Sandman is only 4*…
I really feel bad for you. I don’t have the 6* (for some reason almost everyone has him as a 6 or 7*) so they cant feel the pain I’m about to have using the 5* ascended.

Shocker isnt ideal for the fight and I wouldn’t even bother with Mysterio.

The worst part about this event despite all the complains is that its just so frustratingly limited on options. I have to use a 5* Sandman that i just took to r5 and ascended

Good luck. Let us know how that goes. If I pull 5* before the event ends, I’ll be doing the same. Otherwise, I’ll give it a try with Shocker.

XSquad · February 9

Can we know now what other tags we need moving forward?? Thanks.

Jefechuta · February 9

Graves_3 said:
@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.

Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.

Graves_3 · February 9

Jefechuta said:

Graves_3 said:
@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.
Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.

Can you please point to the post where they talked about energy requirement prior to the event?

Graves_3 · February 9

And also are YouTubers a reliable source of information? Haven’t you seen posts about titan pool a few days ago where Jax mentioned only the forums/livestream/in game mail as official source of information.

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