Fair enough. It’s just a matter of degree. How disruptive does he need to be in order to shake up the game and evolve it sufficiently to enable more growth? We think he could be tuned down to 80% of his current potency, maybe they think he’s right where he needs to be. Impossible to know, given the current communication. I don’t know why they don’t talk about these things openly. I don’t see much downside for them to shedding some light on the macro design considerations taking place.
Fair enough. It’s just a matter of degree. How disruptive does he need to be in order to shake up the game and evolve it sufficiently to enable more growth? We think he could be tuned down to 80% of his current potency, maybe they think he’s right where he needs to be. Impossible to know, given the current communication. I don’t know why they don’t talk about these things openly. I don’t see much downside for them to shedding some light on the macro design considerations taking place.
I don’t think it’s 100% fair to say that we don’t know, as we do have some information just by playing the game. Of course we don’t have the full picture, but it’s not like we have nothing whatsoever.
100% agree about communication though. Some transparency would help out.
@jcphillips7 I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit concerned about Nefaria's damage but he does look extremely fun with that counter evade mechanic so we'll see lol he might be the champ I end up whaling out for purely for the gameplay.
He looked like he had some big numbers in the preview (like 40k mediums and 66k per hit on sp2) but I’m wondering how practical it’ll be
It looks pretty fast to me, they did say he’ll do well in short and longer fights
Problem is they showcased big HPs so it's hard to tell, also the special punish with counter evade won't work on every defender so we'll have to see how good the damage is when he can't punish special with counter evade.
I thought he could work for Serp decently and then remembered that he counters evade. What a fun champ, I love serpent
I love how when I’m like “oh what if this works” he just has some other thing that’s like nah this won’t work
Lmao yeah your brain goes "shiiii this champ might, oh wait nvm ability 9/30"
I’m so tired of Serpent’s ass especially with these metas buffing him up. I danced around forever when fighting serpent in VT earlier until the node kicked in and took him to an sp3. Happened 3 times in a row too so much fun
I’ve joined the just ban him crowd. He still deserves a nerf that allows him to remain challenging but makes him fairer, but until then I’ll use my 6*R5a as a questing option only.
@jcphillips7 I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit concerned about Nefaria's damage but he does look extremely fun with that counter evade mechanic so we'll see lol he might be the champ I end up whaling out for purely for the gameplay.
He looked like he had some big numbers in the preview (like 40k mediums and 66k per hit on sp2) but I’m wondering how practical it’ll be
It looks pretty fast to me, they did say he’ll do well in short and longer fights
Problem is they showcased big HPs so it's hard to tell, also the special punish with counter evade won't work on every defender so we'll have to see how good the damage is when he can't punish special with counter evade.
I thought he could work for Serp decently and then remembered that he counters evade. What a fun champ, I love serpent
I love how when I’m like “oh what if this works” he just has some other thing that’s like nah this won’t work
Lmao yeah your brain goes "shiiii this champ might, oh wait nvm ability 9/30"
I’m so tired of Serpent’s ass especially with these metas buffing him up. I danced around forever when fighting serpent in VT earlier until the node kicked in and took him to an sp3. Happened 3 times in a row too so much fun
Just ban him, that's what I've been doing. He's still in my deck but I still ban him unless my opponent doesn't have him cause I know they will ban him in that case lol ban is the best Serpent counter in the game.
Serpent shouldn't be countering the mystic class. Class relationships and masteries should not be messed with. His kit is so rigged that everyone has forgotten his special attacks being undexable from the start 😂
So do you want them to change Magneto too?
One time you say you're knowledgeable of game and comics Then you comment like this,
Magneto is a reason to counter tech because METAL
If you're trying to defend, then at least do it right
@jcphillips7 I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit concerned about Nefaria's damage but he does look extremely fun with that counter evade mechanic so we'll see lol he might be the champ I end up whaling out for purely for the gameplay.
He looked like he had some big numbers in the preview (like 40k mediums and 66k per hit on sp2) but I’m wondering how practical it’ll be
It looks pretty fast to me, they did say he’ll do well in short and longer fights
Problem is they showcased big HPs so it's hard to tell, also the special punish with counter evade won't work on every defender so we'll have to see how good the damage is when he can't punish special with counter evade.
I thought he could work for Serp decently and then remembered that he counters evade. What a fun champ, I love serpent
I love how when I’m like “oh what if this works” he just has some other thing that’s like nah this won’t work
Lmao yeah your brain goes "shiiii this champ might, oh wait nvm ability 9/30"
I’m so tired of Serpent’s ass especially with these metas buffing him up. I danced around forever when fighting serpent in VT earlier until the node kicked in and took him to an sp3. Happened 3 times in a row too so much fun
Just ban him, that's what I've been doing. He's still in my deck but I still ban him unless my opponent doesn't have him cause I know they will ban him in that case lol ban is the best Serpent counter in the game.
Oh I’ve been leaving him unbanned for testing my new r2 Wiccan. I actually finally got a match against a serpent with him but I fumbled because I’m not too familiar with Wiccan. If you use the sp3 rotation he actually melts serpent nicely. My r2 punching up to a r3 sig 40 actually took him in 78 seconds despite me fumbling and the power gain from the node. Faster than my Chavez and Kushala so I’m happy that I have another good option. Gonna try and get sub 70 with him against a r3
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
what if they do it in creative ways?
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
what if they do it in creative ways?
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Oh creative as in this champ gains +5000 attack rating when fighting serpent?
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Sigh. It’s the same argument I just addressed.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Sigh. It’s the same argument I just addressed.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
i mean, fair...but what if they know things we don't?
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Sigh. It’s the same argument I just addressed.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
i mean, fair...but what if they know things we don't?
No offense intended but you’ve just been recycling the same 2 arguments that have both been addressed and refuted.
Yes they know things we don’t, that doesn’t mean we don’t know anything. We can still come to logical conclusions based in the information we have from playing the game. Is it all the information? No, but that doesn’t mean we have nothing to form opinions on.
I watch and play battlegrounds enough to know that serpent’s winrate and mechanics are very overtuned. 3/4 of the community thinks the same, as clearly shown by the outrage. Kabam is disputing that claim in their post with no evidence or explanation as to why.
You trust kabam, and overall I do too. But that doesn’t mean taking their word for everything. I can still in general trust them without defending every single action. If they decide to nerf silver sable instead of buff her I’m not just gonna say they must have a plan for the future where this will all make sense. I will contest that decision and speak up as to why I think it’s bad.
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Sigh. It’s the same argument I just addressed.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
i mean, fair...but what if they know things we don't?
Like what? What do they know that we don’t? I sure would love to know how that justifies leaving Serpent as is, it really would’ve done wonders at easing everyone’s anger here. Regardless of what they’re planning, designing champs whose counters aren’t going to exist for at least 6 months afterward is certainly the design choice of all time. We should have at least some options to work with when a champ launches, and if we don’t this late afterwards that warrants a retune.
not gonna lie, i like it when kabam doesn't listen to us and just stick to their goals. they're not always right but most of the time they are and if history is any indication, the outrage is temporary and the game moves on.
it's been said that kabam intends on stretching this game out another 10 years and judging by how cautious they're being with some things like rank up materials and last year's banquet, you can tell that they're serious.
i hate fighting serp and bullseye (that's right, i'm a scrub!) in BGs and serpent is currently a terrible design but we have no idea what's in the works at kabam with character, kit, and class development. maybe we should give it a chance before busting out our phony baloney threats.
Maybe if DLL hadn't said that there will be no such thing as hard counters that completely shut off defenders, people wouldn't be as worried as they are.
Also no idea why you want Kabam to ignore everything the playerbase says, you're literally the one playing the game just like the rest of us. You're encouraging something that's unhealthy for the most part and has been killing a lot of the fun for most of us lately for absolutely no reason really.
the thing is...we're totally clueless about what's going on at kabam.
all we see is a problem (a legitimate one in our eyes) and demand immediate solutions. that's not how the game works. it could take 1-2 years for them to slowly revitalize how classes, kits, and mechanics work. and it could be better for the game and for us overall.
we don't know....BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
So you're suggesting people should just deal with a broken defender for years when Kabam could simply just flip a few switches and use the rebalancing program like it was meant to be used? Or maybe the rebalancing program is only there to prevent another Herc on attack since less revs means less people spending money, while a Herc on defense is good for them since it means more people will be spending resources to beat him wherever he goes with busted nodes like the one from the previous GC meta.
he's broken right now....but maybe that's entirely the point. serp is creating design space for creating brand new abilities. is that bad?
But that's the problem, Serpent is so broken that someone who counters him counters the entire cosmic even more.
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
Sigh. It’s the same argument I just addressed.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
i mean, fair...but what if they know things we don't?
Bro just re-released the same album twice.
People have refuted that argument multiple times already, I don't know why you keep saying it.
@jcphillips7 I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit concerned about Nefaria's damage but he does look extremely fun with that counter evade mechanic so we'll see lol he might be the champ I end up whaling out for purely for the gameplay.
He looked like he had some big numbers in the preview (like 40k mediums and 66k per hit on sp2) but I’m wondering how practical it’ll be
It looks pretty fast to me, they did say he’ll do well in short and longer fights
Problem is they showcased big HPs so it's hard to tell, also the special punish with counter evade won't work on every defender so we'll have to see how good the damage is when he can't punish special with counter evade.
I thought he could work for Serp decently and then remembered that he counters evade. What a fun champ, I love serpent
I love how when I’m like “oh what if this works” he just has some other thing that’s like nah this won’t work
Lmao yeah your brain goes "shiiii this champ might, oh wait nvm ability 9/30"
I’m so tired of Serpent’s ass especially with these metas buffing him up. I danced around forever when fighting serpent in VT earlier until the node kicked in and took him to an sp3. Happened 3 times in a row too so much fun
Just ban him, that's what I've been doing. He's still in my deck but I still ban him unless my opponent doesn't have him cause I know they will ban him in that case lol ban is the best Serpent counter in the game.
Oh I’ve been leaving him unbanned for testing my new r2 Wiccan. I actually finally got a match against a serpent with him but I fumbled because I’m not too familiar with Wiccan. If you use the sp3 rotation he actually melts serpent nicely. My r2 punching up to a r3 sig 40 actually took him in 78 seconds despite me fumbling and the power gain from the node. Faster than my Chavez and Kushala so I’m happy that I have another good option. Gonna try and get sub 70 with him against a r3
I've heard Wiccan works but if the death immunity buff triggers you're cooked 9 times out of 10.
Wow, 13 pages, good job guys. We may have finally gotten Kabam's attention, or are close to it. Hopefully they read this thread and reconsider their decision
Wow, 13 pages, good job guys. We may have finally gotten Kabam's attention, or are close to it. Hopefully they read this thread and reconsider their decision
We must persevere! We shall be noticed! (Hopefully lol😭)
Wow, 13 pages, good job guys. We may have finally gotten Kabam's attention, or are close to it. Hopefully they read this thread and reconsider their decision
We must persevere! We shall be noticed! (Hopefully lol😭)
I am sure these people are not someone who go back on their word, but we must try. Nerfing him is better for the game health than releasing overpowered mystics to counter him which will negatively affect the whole cosmic class.
Wow, 13 pages, good job guys. We may have finally gotten Kabam's attention, or are close to it. Hopefully they read this thread and reconsider their decision
We must persevere! We shall be noticed! (Hopefully lol😭)
I am these people are not someone who go back on their word, but we must try. Nerfing him is better for the game health than releasing overpowered mystics to counter him which will negatively affect the whole cosmic class.
We certainly don't want another Nimrod, as cool as that would be, I agree it would be unhealthy.
Things we need from a serpent counter: 1. No burst damage all dot (degen preferably) 2. lots of specials and power steal or reduce his ability power rate significantly 3. A way to reduce the buff duration or higher potency neutralise
We still have 2 more mystics coming this year and one will be spiral, lets hope one of them is 5/5 attacker and a Serpent counter
Wow, 13 pages, good job guys. We may have finally gotten Kabam's attention, or are close to it. Hopefully they read this thread and reconsider their decision
We must persevere! We shall be noticed! (Hopefully lol😭)
I am these people are not someone who go back on their word, but we must try. Nerfing him is better for the game health than releasing overpowered mystics to counter him which will negatively affect the whole cosmic class.
Yes I don’t expect that much if anything, but I will at least go down fighting lol. I very strongly believe in my arguments will at least go down fighting lmao.
He’s bad for the game in his current state, plain and simple. The evidence from competitive battlegrounds supports this, as well as the overwhelming majority response from celestial players who say he’s overtuned.
Things we need from a serpent counter: 1. No burst damage all dot (degen preferably) 2. lots of specials and power steal or reduce his ability power rate significantly 3. A way to reduce the buff duration or higher potency neutralise
We still have 2 more mystics coming this year and one will be spiral, lets hope one of them is 5/5 attacker and a Serpent counter
Who could be the other mystic? Agatha? Clea? Karnilla?
Things we need from a serpent counter: 1. No burst damage all dot (degen preferably) 2. lots of specials and power steal or reduce his ability power rate significantly 3. A way to reduce the buff duration or higher potency neutralise
We still have 2 more mystics coming this year and one will be spiral, lets hope one of them is 5/5 attacker and a Serpent counter
If Shathra's damage is dot instead of burst then she checks all the boxes, see you all tomorrow after the deep dive with another rant cause we all know it's going to be burst and not dot 😀
I'm not surprised lol I've been saying it for days now, not going to happen according to DLL himself.
You guys need to decide if you're mad about a new champ being a counter to a hard champ or a new champ not being a counter to a hard champ
Where did I say I want either of those lmao I don't want hard counters cause that's not healthy on the long run, I want a nerf like everyone else on this thread.
Not like everyone constantly complains about how releasing a counter to a hard champion is just trying to make money
Also leader did not get as much uproar from the community from his UNCLEANSABLE and UNPURIFIABLE debuffs because he is in general a weak champion (THANK GOD). If he was another 5/5 defender, I bet y'all would start calling kabam out for the class wheel bypassing bullshyt
Because leader is still best countered by skill champions
Serpent shouldn't be countering the mystic class. Class relationships and masteries should not be messed with. His kit is so rigged that everyone has forgotten his special attacks being undexable from the start 😂
So do you want them to change Magneto too?
Magneto was and should be the only exception given the nature of his powers. Serpent has ABSOLUTELY no reasonable explanation of him being able bypass the ENTIRE MYSTIC CLASS. This all started with mystic defenders slowly becoming nullify immune, then it went on to fateseal then stagger we let it slide because alot of people on here were defending kabam and explaining how cosmic defenders need It or else any mystic would be able to take them out easily. It wasn't that big of a deal because tigra started gaining popularity for her neutralize which was our escape from big cosmic mystic countering threats. We let it slide but now SERPENT is able to BYPASS EVERY MYSTIC ABILITY and kabam has now introduced a science champion who has UNCLEANSABLE debuffs, this could only be the beginning of more skill countering science champions. If the community does not start stating their disapproval on these things, it will only continue just like the photon undexable specials which we let slide because she was a well rounded champion and 2023 champions were mostly HITS and now we have serpent. Photon started the willpower mastery tampering, now we had onslaught as if his special attacks weren't hard enough to dex and the UNAVOIDABLE neuroshock damage you took by making one mistake weren't enough, he also punishes you for PARRYING(which is a mastery itself and a skill we all learnt) which now shuts of willpower as well in the process). We then had bullseye who also punished you for DEXING with the instant bleeds(thank GOD it got removed), then dust who shuts off WILLPOWER AS WELL and now serpent. This has got to stop please...
Yep. All of this is just the truth.
I have noticed the increased tampering with Masteries. No one wants to be “That Guy” and constantly run to the Forums whining, but look where that has gotten us:
Unblockable Specials that can’t be Dexed, with a kit that takes the good of the Class Wheel (Cosmic class being increasingly resistant to Power Drain/Lock/Burn) while ignoring the weaknesses of the Class Wheel (Cosmic class typically having various degrees of vulnerability to Stagger/Nullify/Neutralize/Fate Seal)
This is not a good path to be on. It really isn’t
Power drain, lock and burn are tech abilities which cosmic should be radiant m resistant to, and besides serpent there are no cosmic champions that aren't best countered by mystic champions even if they're immune to one of their abilities.
Does sandman being bleed immune break the class relationship wheel against skill champs?
I'm not surprised lol I've been saying it for days now, not going to happen according to DLL himself.
You guys need to decide if you're mad about a new champ being a counter to a hard champ or a new champ not being a counter to a hard champ
Where did I say I want either of those lmao I don't want hard counters cause that's not healthy on the long run, I want a nerf like everyone else on this thread.
Not like everyone constantly complains about how releasing a counter to a hard champion is just trying to make money
Have you seen me personally complain about that? Cause otherwise what exactly are we doing here lmao that has nothing to do with me, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Someone said we can get 7* nefaria. WHERE??? and for how much? I'm not interested in him tho just wanted to know incase the same happens for another champion I'm interested in, in the future
Serpent shouldn't be countering the mystic class. Class relationships and masteries should not be messed with. His kit is so rigged that everyone has forgotten his special attacks being undexable from the start 😂
So do you want them to change Magneto too?
Magneto was and should be the only exception given the nature of his powers. Serpent has ABSOLUTELY no reasonable explanation of him being able bypass the ENTIRE MYSTIC CLASS. This all started with mystic defenders slowly becoming nullify immune, then it went on to fateseal then stagger we let it slide because alot of people on here were defending kabam and explaining how cosmic defenders need It or else any mystic would be able to take them out easily. It wasn't that big of a deal because tigra started gaining popularity for her neutralize which was our escape from big cosmic mystic countering threats. We let it slide but now SERPENT is able to BYPASS EVERY MYSTIC ABILITY and kabam has now introduced a science champion who has UNCLEANSABLE debuffs, this could only be the beginning of more skill countering science champions. If the community does not start stating their disapproval on these things, it will only continue just like the photon undexable specials which we let slide because she was a well rounded champion and 2023 champions were mostly HITS and now we have serpent. Photon started the willpower mastery tampering, now we had onslaught as if his special attacks weren't hard enough to dex and the UNAVOIDABLE neuroshock damage you took by making one mistake weren't enough, he also punishes you for PARRYING(which is a mastery itself and a skill we all learnt) which now shuts of willpower as well in the process). We then had bullseye who also punished you for DEXING with the instant bleeds(thank GOD it got removed), then dust who shuts off WILLPOWER AS WELL and now serpent. This has got to stop please...
Yep. All of this is just the truth.
I have noticed the increased tampering with Masteries. No one wants to be “That Guy” and constantly run to the Forums whining, but look where that has gotten us:
Unblockable Specials that can’t be Dexed, with a kit that takes the good of the Class Wheel (Cosmic class being increasingly resistant to Power Drain/Lock/Burn) while ignoring the weaknesses of the Class Wheel (Cosmic class typically having various degrees of vulnerability to Stagger/Nullify/Neutralize/Fate Seal)
This is not a good path to be on. It really isn’t
Power drain, lock and burn are tech abilities which cosmic should be radiant m resistant to, and besides serpent there are no cosmic champions that aren't best countered by mystic champions even if they're immune to one of their abilities.
Does sandman being bleed immune break the class relationship wheel against skill champs?
No… he’s made of Sand. Like Thing is made of Rocks. The Serpent though is made of the same stuff as Odin and Thor so his bleed resistance makes sense… Well it makes sense if you wanted to remove the most common direct damage source on the game and AA proof him to limit players
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100% agree about communication though. Some transparency would help out.
Then you comment like this,
Magneto is a reason to counter tech because METAL
If you're trying to defend, then at least do it right
all i know is if they start running out of ways to make champs, the game dies.
2: “He’s allowing more avenues for Kabam to introduce new mechanics and abilities.” That’s fair, but why does serpent have to be overtuned to accomplish? Would he not do the same if he was balanced? They don’t have to restrict almost every mystic ability to make room for a new one like atrophy. They can allow all or most of them to work, but then allow atrophy to be his “weakness” and not simply the only thing that works. You’re still incentivized to use the new mechanic, but you’re not rejected for using an old one
Yes they know things we don’t, that doesn’t mean we don’t know anything. We can still come to logical conclusions based in the information we have from playing the game. Is it all the information? No, but that doesn’t mean we have nothing to form opinions on.
I watch and play battlegrounds enough to know that serpent’s winrate and mechanics are very overtuned. 3/4 of the community thinks the same, as clearly shown by the outrage. Kabam is disputing that claim in their post with no evidence or explanation as to why.
You trust kabam, and overall I do too. But that doesn’t mean taking their word for everything. I can still in general trust them without defending every single action. If they decide to nerf silver sable instead of buff her I’m not just gonna say they must have a plan for the future where this will all make sense. I will contest that decision and speak up as to why I think it’s bad.
People have refuted that argument multiple times already, I don't know why you keep saying it.
1. No burst damage all dot (degen preferably)
2. lots of specials and power steal or reduce his ability power rate significantly
3. A way to reduce the buff duration or higher potency neutralise
We still have 2 more mystics coming this year and one will be spiral, lets hope one of them is 5/5 attacker and a Serpent counter
He’s bad for the game in his current state, plain and simple. The evidence from competitive battlegrounds supports this, as well as the overwhelming majority response from celestial players who say he’s overtuned.
Does sandman being bleed immune break the class relationship wheel against skill champs?