Fighting Serpent is just awful. It's like he's an EoP fight in non EoP modes.
Anytime I see him now in BG it's an instant ban even unduped. It's just not worth tailoring my deck specifically around him. You need 4 counters to him (kushala, america, SS, wiccan) so that if your 3 get banned you still have 1 left. Only you might not get that champ due to rng of the draft. Just easier to ban him and not worry about it.
Y’all are gonna laugh — and to be clear, I haven’t tested it yet live in BGs, but it really should work — but credit where credit is due if it’s intentional by the designer (it probably is, I have a feeling) but classic mythology might give you another kill option if you don’t have a Kushala or Chavez or aren’t quite skilled enough at playing Tigra.
See, in classic mythology, the Serpent is ultimately killed in Ragnarok…by…well. You know. (It’s a mutual defeat; he dies from his wounds almost immediately).
Well, guess what? I kinda thought this guy could do it, before this season even started, because of….this:
I even had him in my Battledeck during the offseason and the first couple of days of the actual season.
Who am I talking about?
LOLOLOLOL You know who I am talking about:
The problem is the same as with almost every other kit, though: time. It’s not fast. You gotta pop the SP3, you gotta get those shocks up. You gotta be aggressive and not get your head lopped off with that big axe of the Serpent’s during his specials while doing it because of being so freaking close.
But it works, if you have enough shocks — and you usually will, in Thunder God’s Wrath and you get in there, because you get the stuns, too. Instant kill, when Serpent tries to stay alive AFTER he procs it.
Again: It’s not fast. You gotta know what you’re doing, pop Thunder God’s Wrath at the right time. It requires you to have some skill.
But it works.
Shout out to the Developer — I had a feeling that it would work, and I have a feeling it was intentional. That’s nice.
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
Y’all are gonna laugh — and to be clear, I haven’t tested it yet live in BGs, but it really should work — but credit where credit is due if it’s intentional by the designer (it probably is, I have a feeling) but classic mythology might give you another kill option if you don’t have a Kushala or Chavez or aren’t quite skilled enough at playing Tigra.
See, in classic mythology, the Serpent is ultimately killed in Ragnarok…by…well. You know. (It’s a mutual defeat; he dies from his wounds almost immediately).
Well, guess what? I kinda thought this guy could do it, before this season even started, because of….this:
I even had him in my Battledeck during the offseason and the first couple of days of the actual season.
Who am I talking about?
LOLOLOLOL You know who I am talking about:
The problem is the same as with almost every other kit, though: time. It’s not fast. You gotta pop the SP3, you gotta get those shocks up. You gotta be aggressive and not get your head lopped off with that big axe of the Serpent’s during his specials while doing it because of being so freaking close.
But it works, if you have enough shocks — and you usually will, in Thunder God’s Wrath and you get in there, because you get the stuns, too. Instant kill, when Serpent tries to stay alive AFTER he procs it.
Again: It’s not fast. You gotta know what you’re doing, pop Thunder God’s Wrath at the right time. It requires you to have some skill.
But it works.
Shout out to the Developer — I had a feeling that it would work, and I have a feeling it was intentional. That’s nice.
Ok. I’ll definitely give a tip of the cap to this. Thats a cool Easter eggy interaction. Too bad for me that old T-Rex arms might be my least favorite champ they’ve ever released. And rather use anyone else, including Blue Cyclops as he exists now
Y’all are gonna laugh — and to be clear, I haven’t tested it yet live in BGs, but it really should work — but credit where credit is due if it’s intentional by the designer (it probably is, I have a feeling) but classic mythology might give you another kill option if you don’t have a Kushala or Chavez or aren’t quite skilled enough at playing Tigra.
See, in classic mythology, the Serpent is ultimately killed in Ragnarok…by…well. You know. (It’s a mutual defeat; he dies from his wounds almost immediately).
Well, guess what? I kinda thought this guy could do it, before this season even started, because of….this:
I even had him in my Battledeck during the offseason and the first couple of days of the actual season.
Who am I talking about?
LOLOLOLOL You know who I am talking about:
The problem is the same as with almost every other kit, though: time. It’s not fast. You gotta pop the SP3, you gotta get those shocks up. You gotta be aggressive and not get your head lopped off with that big axe of the Serpent’s during his specials while doing it because of being so freaking close.
But it works, if you have enough shocks — and you usually will, in Thunder God’s Wrath and you get in there, because you get the stuns, too. Instant kill, when Serpent tries to stay alive AFTER he procs it.
Again: It’s not fast. You gotta know what you’re doing, pop Thunder God’s Wrath at the right time. It requires you to have some skill.
But it works.
Shout out to the Developer — I had a feeling that it would work, and I have a feeling it was intentional. That’s nice.
Ok. I’ll definitely give a tip of the cap to this. Thats a cool Easter eggy interaction. Too bad for me that old T-Rex arms might be my least favorite champ they’ve ever released. And rather use anyone else, including Blue Cyclops as he exists now
LOL I also have a feeling, if Truth Serum was administered to all involved, the fact that a ton of players dislike T-Rex Arms 😅😅 also amused a few people at Kabam HQ, because if you don’t have a Kushala yet, and Chavez and Tigra are tricky enough to keep you from getting him down…LOL
Why…why won’t they just give him a more dignified model? WHY?!?! 😅😅😅
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
There’s that troublesome element of hit kit, where non-mystics are immediately handicapped vs him though that really makes it hard to truly counter him outside of class relationships. That alone severely restricted our options.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
There’s that troublesome element of hit kit, where non-mystics are immediately handicapped vs him though that really makes it hard to truly counter him outside of class relationships. That alone severely restricted our options.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
His kit is just so random. His kit screws over typical mystic abilities but you’re supposed to use mystics to counter him and control his power rate. Even though power is generally controlled by science and tech champs. It almost feels like Serpent should’ve been mystic and he’s superior to other mystics saying they can’t touch him, but science champs should be the ones to counter him. I don’t know this champ is just so bizarre.
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
There’s that troublesome element of hit kit, where non-mystics are immediately handicapped vs him though that really makes it hard to truly counter him outside of class relationships. That alone severely restricted our options.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
His kit is just so random. His kit screws over typical mystic abilities but you’re supposed to use mystics to counter him and control his power rate. Even though power is generally controlled by science and tech champs. It almost feels like Serpent should’ve been mystic and he’s superior to other mystics saying they can’t touch him, but science champs should be the ones to counter him. I don’t know this champ is just so bizarre.
Yup… his kit really reads like restriction on top of restriction. Non-mystics are immediately hampered, then within the mystic class he can bypass 4 out of 6 buff management elements of the mystics.
Yup… his kit really reads like restriction on top of restriction. Non-mystics are immediately hampered, then within the mystic class he can bypass 4 out of 6 buff management elements of the mystics.
Plus there's 90% reduced bleed duration to counter AA and coldsnap immunity for kate. It really seems like DLL wanted to make sure we couldn't properly counter him with any option available. But then what's the point? There isn't much room for skilled gameplay when most of your time is spent baiting (literally) undexable specials. And even with all these attempts at removing counters, players are only succeeding with what little counters work. Which begs the question - What were kabam's goals for this champ? Create a hard defender that players can overcome with right counters or skill? Because they've failed either way.
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
There’s that troublesome element of hit kit, where non-mystics are immediately handicapped vs him though that really makes it hard to truly counter him outside of class relationships. That alone severely restricted our options.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
His kit is just so random. His kit screws over typical mystic abilities but you’re supposed to use mystics to counter him and control his power rate. Even though power is generally controlled by science and tech champs. It almost feels like Serpent should’ve been mystic and he’s superior to other mystics saying they can’t touch him, but science champs should be the ones to counter him. I don’t know this champ is just so bizarre.
I hate fighitng Serpent because of that ridiculous power gain, but I don't ban him so I can eventually see which champs are good counters to him. So far, Shuri can manage SOMETIMES because of her ability to block his unblockable specials, and Photon has been one of my best counters (when she's not banned) since she can control his power gain with her Petrify debuffs. I was able to get him down to 1% health with her, then I screwed it all up 😂
I honestly believe that Spiral is going to be the hard counter to him.
DLL already said they don't want hard counters that make a specific defender a potato no matter how strong they are lol no Galan vs Peni ever again.
The discord is going crazy rn lol. They’re fuming
Do they response on Discord or just keep silence like here forum?
The problem with him is that without a counter there is no skilling your way around him.
Sure there are little things you can do like saving your striker for death immunity of parrying as much of the special as possible, but neither of those things are going to be all that consequential 90% of the time
Spot on. Serpent is a defender who invalidates skill. You can learn to dex onslaught's sp1, push photon into pure light at zero power, light intercept korg. Atleast when I lose to these, I still respect them as it pushes me to develop my skill further. What does serpent require me to do? Dash back and turtle up to take specials.
I mean that’s the pinnacle of skill according to all the people thinking “git gud” is the answer to this one
Why aren’t there ever any videos coming from the devs on how to counter these champs. People have defended them and said they are skilled. Okay so I want to see videos of them taking Serpent in extend. Or in rich get richer. Or Archaos. Show us livestreams of them doing these fights and showcasing the skills we need to counter Serpent. Because they said it themselves it takes skilled gameplay to counter him. And if the response really is “everyone is supposed to die, that’s the goal of this champ” then wow is that the most toxic thing ever for this game.
I definitely think that’s the goal lmao. New toxic defender and they said they’d stop doing hard counters for a while so while we may get good options, we’ll have to wait a while
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
I think it's a lot more likely that they'll release counters from other classes rather than mystic ones exclusively. For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
There’s that troublesome element of hit kit, where non-mystics are immediately handicapped vs him though that really makes it hard to truly counter him outside of class relationships. That alone severely restricted our options.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
Realistically though we just need them to have dot, if Dani and Luke dealt damage through dot they would be able to nuke Serpent pretty easily so while I do agree either the death immunity buff or the power gain have to be addressed (at least one of them) that main problem is that stupid dread. That's the only reason he's so tanky but anything with massive dot could do the fight.
So, I wanted to loop back to this, for a Proof in Concept and also as another example of why this kit in BGs — on a timer with nodes — is just so problematic:
I played this as well as you can do it — not bragging. This is the best it can be done, actually playing as the attacker:
The problem is that IN ADDITION to all the things in the kit, Placebo just makes it basically impossible to do basically anything other than attempt to survive long enough to try a rotation that actually works.
Again: I am not the most skilled player in the world. But I have a lot of experience with the game, and I do know when I do it right and when I don’t.
You shouldn’t have a kit/node combo that CANNOT be killed by a viable counter.
I KNOW, absolutely KNOW, Thor (Ragnarok) can do it exactly the way I described:
Again, it absolutely takes time, but it can be done.
But the kit is so broken, any assistance you add to it with a node in BGs makes it…man, IDK. I literally don’t get what you’re supposed to do in BGs with how this kit is designed.
Depending on what the nodes are in other content, IDK. Everest content…IDK. Better players than me are going to deal with that stuff, like what Necropolis II or whatever.
What you see above in the three practice kills of the Serpent with Thor (Ragnarok) is the absolute consistency of the kills — it’s absolutely a rotation. Anyone can do the rotation.
Again, it’s not easy and it is not fast. But it can be done.
But not with ANYTHING that helps an already broken kit. My gosh. I cannot believe that kit didn’t get tuned IN ANY WAY
So, I wanted to loop back to this, for a Proof in Concept and also as another example of why this kit in BGs — on a timer with nodes — is just so problematic:
I played this as well as you can do it — not bragging. This is the best it can be done, actually playing as the attacker:
The problem is that IN ADDITION to all the things in the kit, Placebo just makes it basically impossible to do basically anything other than attempt to survive long enough to try a rotation that actually works.
Again: I am not the most skilled player in the world. But I have a lot of experience with the game, and I do know when I do it right and when I don’t.
You shouldn’t have a kit/node combo that CANNOT be killed by a viable counter.
I KNOW, absolutely KNOW, Thor (Ragnarok) can do it exactly the way I described:
Again, it absolutely takes time, but it can be done.
But the kit is so broken, any assistance you add to it with a node in BGs makes it…man, IDK. I literally don’t get what you’re supposed to do in BGs with how this kit is designed.
Depending on what the nodes are in other content, IDK. Everest content…IDK. Better players than me are going to deal with that stuff, like what Necropolis II or whatever.
But BGs man…IDK. Just broken. Flat-out broken
This is the problem with these outside the box counters, one node is all it takes to trivialize them. And if you don’t have mystic power control then it just takes passive AI
So, I wanted to loop back to this, for a Proof in Concept and also as another example of why this kit in BGs — on a timer with nodes — is just so problematic:
I played this as well as you can do it — not bragging. This is the best it can be done, actually playing as the attacker:
The problem is that IN ADDITION to all the things in the kit, Placebo just makes it basically impossible to do basically anything other than attempt to survive long enough to try a rotation that actually works.
Again: I am not the most skilled player in the world. But I have a lot of experience with the game, and I do know when I do it right and when I don’t.
You shouldn’t have a kit/node combo that CANNOT be killed by a viable counter.
I KNOW, absolutely KNOW, Thor (Ragnarok) can do it exactly the way I described:
Again, it absolutely takes time, but it can be done.
But the kit is so broken, any assistance you add to it with a node in BGs makes it…man, IDK. I literally don’t get what you’re supposed to do in BGs with how this kit is designed.
Depending on what the nodes are in other content, IDK. Everest content…IDK. Better players than me are going to deal with that stuff, like what Necropolis II or whatever.
But BGs man…IDK. Just broken. Flat-out broken
This is the problem with these outside the box counters, one node is all it takes to trivialize them. And if you don’t have mystic power control then it just takes passive AI
ANYTHING that adds power to that kit in BGs…it’s hard to see how an extremely limited set of characters is ever going to kill it consistently in BGs with a power gain element
I know time will bring something else to deal with it, but man. I just am amazed at how few things actually work, with nothing really working well
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See, in classic mythology, the Serpent is ultimately killed in Ragnarok…by…well. You know. (It’s a mutual defeat; he dies from his wounds almost immediately).
Well, guess what? I kinda thought this guy could do it, before this season even started, because of….this:
I even had him in my Battledeck during the offseason and the first couple of days of the actual season.
Who am I talking about?
LOLOLOLOL You know who I am talking about:
The problem is the same as with almost every other kit, though: time. It’s not fast. You gotta pop the SP3, you gotta get those shocks up. You gotta be aggressive and not get your head lopped off with that big axe of the Serpent’s during his specials while doing it because of being so freaking close.
But it works, if you have enough shocks — and you usually will, in Thunder God’s Wrath and you get in there, because you get the stuns, too. Instant kill, when Serpent tries to stay alive AFTER he procs it.
Again: It’s not fast. You gotta know what you’re doing, pop Thunder God’s Wrath at the right time. It requires you to have some skill.
But it works.
Shout out to the Developer — I had a feeling that it would work, and I have a feeling it was intentional. That’s nice.
Why…why won’t they just give him a more dignified model? WHY?!?! 😅😅😅
I’m on the nerf side goofy. Even though it affects me absolutely zero.
I still support the players.
If there are a bunch of mystics coming this year like spiral then we could hopefully see some good options for him before the end of the year but that might be too optimistic
For example if Dani's damage wasn't burst and crit reliant she would be a great counter, same thing for Luke he wouldn't be as slow if he could deal more damage.
If that was adjusted to simply say his power gain can not be inverted below 0 by non-mystics it would open up alot more options
I played this as well as you can do it — not bragging. This is the best it can be done, actually playing as the attacker:
The problem is that IN ADDITION to all the things in the kit, Placebo just makes it basically impossible to do basically anything other than attempt to survive long enough to try a rotation that actually works.
Again: I am not the most skilled player in the world. But I have a lot of experience with the game, and I do know when I do it right and when I don’t.
You shouldn’t have a kit/node combo that CANNOT be killed by a viable counter.
I KNOW, absolutely KNOW, Thor (Ragnarok) can do it exactly the way I described:
Again, it absolutely takes time, but it can be done.
But the kit is so broken, any assistance you add to it with a node in BGs makes it…man, IDK. I literally don’t get what you’re supposed to do in BGs with how this kit is designed.
Depending on what the nodes are in other content, IDK. Everest content…IDK. Better players than me are going to deal with that stuff, like what Necropolis II or whatever.
But BGs man…IDK. Just broken. Flat-out broken
Again, it’s not easy and it is not fast. But it can be done.
But not with ANYTHING that helps an already broken kit. My gosh. I cannot believe that kit didn’t get tuned IN ANY WAY
I know time will bring something else to deal with it, but man. I just am amazed at how few things actually work, with nothing really working well