5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

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  • sawe5456sawe5456 Member Posts: 33
    correct me if im wrong, @Kabam Miike , this seems to be good news for players
    1) now its easier to get latest champs, 1/24 chance vs 1/~100
    2) now its easier to awaken desired champs, 1/24 chance vs 1/~100
    3) now we can 100% evade low tier champs like lcage/shulk/whoever we dont want

    Btw, any compensation for players who now has less chance at god tier champs ? 1/24 vs 1/5 (people say)
  • BadroseBadrose Member Posts: 779 ★★★
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    This is just CRAZY UGLY STUFF!
  • VulcanMVulcanM Member Posts: 664 ★★
    edited January 2018
    Sky wrote: »
    This is great news! I will never have to stress over the decision to buy a featured crystal again because these are absolutely terrible. 5K shards for a 20ish percent at the champ you want was worth it. 5K shards for a 4% chance, why would anyone bother? These crystals are worthless.

    it might be a terrible deal, but its 20% for a featured champ, instead of spending your shards on a potentially bad character there is an equal chance within that 20% to pull a decent 5* champ, so like if theres a terrible featured champ in the crystal, hes only gonna have a 4% chance, however, say, stark spidey would also be a 4% chance. i think you guys might be over reacting and it might turn out better than expected.
  • Collector6789Collector6789 Member Posts: 99
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.
  • VulcanMVulcanM Member Posts: 664 ★★
    VulcanM wrote: »
    Sky wrote: »
    This is great news! I will never have to stress over the decision to buy a featured crystal again because these are absolutely terrible. 5K shards for a 20ish percent at the champ you want was worth it. 5K shards for a 4% chance, why would anyone bother? These crystals are worthless.

    it might be a terrible deal, but its 20% for a featured champ, instead of spending your shards on a potentially bad character there is an equal chance within that 20% to pull a decent 5* champ, so like if theres a terrible featured champ in the crystal, hes only gonna have a 4% chance, however, say, stark spidey would also be a 4% chance. i think you guys might be over reacting and it might turn out better than expected.

    actually we might see a rise in bad featured 5* crystal sales because if there is a bad 5* thats more of a reason to buy it, it lowers the chance of a potential bad character and raises the chance of a potentialy good character

  • KingyakoopaKingyakoopa Member Posts: 203
    Kabam... why don't you add SW... DS... Wolverine... Electro... Captain WW2... Abomination... Gamora... BW... DD... to this 5* pull instead of the same old garbage... We still waiting on that answer
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Member Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

    Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.
  • Its_JubJubIts_JubJub Member Posts: 3
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Its_JubJub wrote: »
    if you are ruining the odds of pulling a feature cant you at LEAST have the 18 basic champs out of the basic pool for that 3 months? giving people a chance at pulling somone worth wasting cats on

    I don't see how this suggestion helps anyone. That almost sounds like you think they are replacing the featured *pool* with the set of 24 in the featured *crystal* which will still have a basic pool. They are not doing that. They are eliminating the current featured crystal that has a featured pool (with one champion in it), a subfeatured, and a basic pool, and replacing it with the new featured crystal that has a flat equal chance to pull any of the 24 champions in it which will contain six featured champs and eighteen basic champs.

    There's no more "basic pool." There is the basic crystal which costs 10k shards and contains every basic champion, and there's the featured crystal which is a different crystal which costs 15k shards and contains 24 champions: six featured and eighteen basic, all with equal chance of being drawn.

    The whole point of a featured crystal is to pull the featured champ not spend 5k extra shards to pull another jugg or antman. This idea could have been good if the "basic" champs werent the same ones i have at sig 200....
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Member Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

    Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

    You didn’t answer me. And spinning any other crystal doesn’t have that excitement. Maybe the 6* crystal will, we will have to see when that’s finally released. Feature 5* crystal is trying for one specific champ and the happiness when you actually get him or her. Opening a basic 5* does not have the same level of anticipation, at least for me. I get 5 more feature openings, so I guess I’ll enjoy them while I can.

    Edit: you are right about the new champ thing though. I was really excited to pull each of my feature champs, it was a trophy for me and I bragged to my friends. Even Falcon and Carnage, lol. It’s not about only getting the best, it’s about getting who we want and having fun playing this game. These were fun for me.
  • Its_JubJubIts_JubJub Member Posts: 3
    LordSneeze wrote: »
    For those that are complaining, I believe that this could be a change that is in direct response to what has happened with Blade.
    A lot of people are hoarding shards to get multiple chances at Blade, which is likely to flood him into the game prior to when Kabam want him to be, this chance limits that ability.

    IMO as someone who cannot do that I think this is a great change.

    Maybe thats the idea everybody get him and bam update 12.0 happens all over again and blade gets nerfed
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

    Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

    You didn’t answer me. And spinning any other crystal doesn’t have that excitement. Maybe the 6* crystal will, we will have to see when that’s finally released. Feature 5* crystal is trying for one specific champ and the happiness when you actually get him or her. Opening a basic 5* does not have the same level of anticipation, at least for me. I get 5 more feature openings, so I guess I’ll enjoy them while I can.

    Edit: you are right about the new champ thing though. I was really excited to pull each of my feature champs, it was a trophy for me and I bragged to my friends. Even Falcon and Carnage, lol. It’s not about only getting the best, it’s about getting who we want and having fun playing this game. These were fun for me.

    Getting what we want is always fun. That's the point I'm making. It doesn't matter what Crystal you're opening, whether a Featured 5* or a Featured 4*. The point is the same. You're rolling for the Champ you want. That won't change with the new Crystal. People open them for their own reasons, but for the most part, the point of a Featured is to go for the Champ you want. What's changing is the rate they drop. Not the actual point of opening them, or the experience of doing so. The result perhaps.
    To be honest, I see it as more in tandem with the Featured 4*. 100 Units for a Premium, 150 for a Featured. 10,000 Shards for a 5*, 15,000 for a Featured. What the new system does is make it more manageable to gauge what you want, but the drops will be less. The Resources are more valuable than a 4* Featured, but so are the Rewards. From what I suspect, 4% is higher than the 4* Featured as well.
    I'm sorry, but I agree that the Featured was too high in terms of rates compared to other Crystals. You see this among Allies the higher you go. At an estimated 20%, it was literally a matter of rolling every Champ as soon as it came out for the Dup. Since those Allies have the most Shards, we end up with a Leaderboard that looks like a Blade Kaleidoscope. Which is why I don't support the theory that it will cater to those at the top. An equal chance at any one Champ in the Crystal is a fair system, and from what I've seen, it's more than what we can say for the Featured 4.
    The pool will also change. Meaning it will have varying desirables as Champs are added to the game, and rotated in the Basic pool. Those Champs are selected by their own internal datamining, and have are fair chance of being more desirable. Which means less "I bought a Featured and rolled Kamala".
    I think the real issue is the decreased drop for the actual Featured Champ, but I can definitely support it, it was too high to begin with.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    @Kabam Miike I would like to make one suggestion.

    There's one thing I like about this. If there's a champ in my roster that I'd really like to dupe, and that champ is in the crystal, then the odds of pulling him are much greater.

    However, if there *aren't* any champs that I want, then I have to wait 3 months for the next version of the crystal. That's painfully long.

    I suggest changing the crystal every month. It would still have 6 new champs, but they would be the 6 most recent. So every month 2 are removed, 4 stay, and the 2 newest champs are added in.

    The other 18 are refreshed. So if you don't like the heroes in this month's crystal, you can wait one month for a new batch instead of three months.

    Imagine a bad, but likely common scenario with the crystal you've proposed. The current crystal doesn't have something you want. You wait 3 months, then the champs you want *still* aren't in the crystal. You waited 3 months for nothing, and now your choices are the bad odds of the regular crystal or wait *another* 3 months with no guarantee that the next crystal will have what you want.

    A monthly refresh would add a lot of hope to this crystal.

    This is an excellent idea. Not sure if it would make me like the crystal but it would be way better than the current plan.
  • Mmx1991Mmx1991 Member Posts: 674 ★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    People are defocusing on one Champ, Ant-Man. Which for all intensive purposes represents an unfavorable pull. As it stands, the estimated probability of pulling a Basic is much higher than the 4% that represents Ant-Man.

    I hate it when people start defocusing on deAnt-Man. Their intensive purposes become unfavorable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjq05OXTnV8
  • Jonny_23Jonny_23 Member Posts: 6
    I feel like this is a huge step back for this game. The 5* featured crystal in its current state at least gives the player some level of control in terms of the 5* champs they get. Though it is a gamble, it still gives the player a much better chance of getting the champ they want. Now all we get is a crystal with a lower chance of getting the champ we want along with a pool of 18 mediocre champs. How you guys think this is an improvement is baffling!
  • richo82richo82 Member Posts: 50
    I'm not sure on the rate they give a 5* in the fgmc, different players have had different experiences, I usually open 3 to 6 per months and have had 2 5* champs, 1 basic and 1 sub feature, but you can't say that they are there instead of feature 5* crystals because they are not a 5* crystal.
    90% of grandmaster crystals give 3* champs which are for the most part just filler on an account. I don't get any happier pulling a 3* than I do a 2*. Even my sons account at level 17 makes little use of 3* champs.
  • MandingowaryaMandingowarya Member Posts: 6
    Don't know what the helllllll is going on but ok
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    Indrick781 wrote: »
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever disagreed with something Kabam has decided to do, ever? At this point I have to believe that Kabam is paying you to post your nonsense. This crystal is a horrific idea and the only way to get new featured 5* is buy spending $10 a spin. But no, clearly this isn't a way for them to increase profits. If the featured GMC had no 3* in it, it might be a decent alternative. Right now the odds of getting a featured 5* from the featured GMC is a whopping 1-1.3% chance.

    You're either deliberately missing why people hate this change or are arguing just to argue. It's one of the two. There's literally one quality basic champ out of 18 in this pool. The rest are garbage to meh tier. Who do you think all tiers of AQ/AW would rather pull? Stark Spidey, GR, Iceman, AA, or second tier champs like Dormammu, NC, Rogue, Angela or any combination of basics in this crappy pool? If I spent 15k because the featured set was good and the basic pool was solid I'd not mind getting one of the basics. In this pool, I really don't want any of the champs listed save Doc Ock so I'm not spending 5k extra shards to have a really terrible chance at getting him. Yes, it's even worse in the basic pool but there are other champs in there I would like to get and because there's more of them I have a good shot at getting someone I actually want.

    I truthfully don't know why I'm even bothering to type this much to you. You're just going to reply defending the change because you must go with whatever Kabam says because you always do.

    You had a better chance at a Basic in the current Crystals than the new ones. That much was stated by the Mods. The largest probability is the Basic. In that Basic pool, you have all the Champs. Not a reduced selection.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    For that matter, the pool is swapped every 3 months, so you can gauge for yourself whether you think it's worth it or not.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    tutyimutyi wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »

    Since they are letting us rerun Medusa and Blade, in my opinion they aren't very good at this.

    you are right,partly.they are gamechanging,true.lots of people saved crystals for them.probable lots of them are going to get them.what about the rest of the players?are they going to have a chance like this in the future?if they spend on gmc,maybe.is kabam going to give a good hero pool for the featured 5*?i do not think so.

    For players coming up now, they are going to have a better chance at good champions also. Consider that the featured crystal comes up twice, then is gone. After that, if you want that champion you have to fish for them in the basic crystal. Any champ that eventually shows up in the new featured is going to be a lot easier for someone to get than if they have to fish for it in basic. They just have to wait until it appears. However long that is, it will likely be faster than pulling enough basics to catch up.

    Everyone not in a good position to shoot for featureds now is losing nothing and gaining a lot with the new crystals. Everyone that already has great champions from featureds isn't going to be set back by the change. So its only a tiny sliver of players for whom this change is arguably bad. If you think this is about screwing players by setting them back, why would Kabam specifically target such a small group of players to hate on?
  • Trask21Trask21 Member Posts: 4
    Cuteshelf wrote: »
    Trask21 wrote: »
    Confused about Blade:
    Blade will be added to the regular pool on the 16, then the Blade FEATURED Crystal at 15k Shards will be available on the 23 or 28 (I forget which date)??

    Yes i've been saving Big time!

    He will not be added to the regular pool on the 16th. We have caught up the regular release schedule, and Blade will be added to the 5-Star Basic Crystal at the same time his 3-Star and 4-Star version are added to the Premium Hero Crystal.


    When will he be added? I was excited to open 100k in Feb to try for him in basic and put the rest in his featured. This is really cramping my plans man. I'm not even sure what to do now with 180k saved.. Just throw it all at blade? Ugh

    I give you props for replying to so many comments on here and I do see a few good things about this new crystal like being able to dupe more to farm 6 star shards or how we can still pull garbage in current featured crystal but 15k may be steep for the chances. Maybe if yall just put all decent champs in one of them I will spin a few but I can tell you right now I am not wasting my time on GM crystals.. all of your crystals we can buy are a deal shoot almost a scam. I hope y'all consider increasing the odds especially since most pay real money for these and $100 for a bunch of three stars may have someone one suicide watch or at least rage quit watch.

    Again thank you like for your time please relay to the team that we can pick better champs that have real use in AQ and AW.

    Ps. I'm with you on Cyclops if he wasn't so easy to evade. Sp bias 1 with 1 bar of power he could mark noobs.
    Can’t read that dude. Just use white...

    This better bud?

    Ps. If they have to read it mightas well make em work!

  • DrOctavius2_2DrOctavius2_2 Member Posts: 432 ★★
    Looks like Sentry was designed for the purpose to be one of the first featured in this crystal lol
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    tutyimutyi wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »

    Since they are letting us rerun Medusa and Blade, in my opinion they aren't very good at this.

    plus,just imagine that,if they do not do the medusa and blade 5* featured.there is an "elite" in this game,which spends crazy amounts of money,they had the chance to save hundreds of thousands of 5* crystal fragments and most of them saved that for blade,or for medusa.if kabam cancelled those featured crystals,that can have a same result,like a blade nerf could have.big boycott,they might loose a lots of big spenders.

    But this becomes a really tiny needle to thread. Thinking that Kabam wants to screw players, but only certain players and only in certain ways, because they get a big thrill out of torturing players as far as they can without them quitting, is asking for too specific a level of psychosis to be reasonable.
  • PxndxaleexPxndxaleex Member Posts: 1
    Anybody knows when these 5* champs will be added: SW, DS, BW, Thor.. ??
  • KappaxDKappaxD Member Posts: 5
    Will it still cost 15000 shards or will the cost decrease?
  • richo82richo82 Member Posts: 50
    I have been a stout supporter of openenig feature crystals to get a champ that will "make your team" or just be kick ass to get, but this idea of a pool of only 24 with 23 being champs you'd rather not get, well. Ive already duped storm 4 times and I'll tell you now, yes her special damage if you happen to land a critical is good, but if I was starting a new account I'd buy the 10k to maybe get archangel because he **** all over storm
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    Its_JubJub wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Its_JubJub wrote: »
    if you are ruining the odds of pulling a feature cant you at LEAST have the 18 basic champs out of the basic pool for that 3 months? giving people a chance at pulling somone worth wasting cats on

    I don't see how this suggestion helps anyone. That almost sounds like you think they are replacing the featured *pool* with the set of 24 in the featured *crystal* which will still have a basic pool. They are not doing that. They are eliminating the current featured crystal that has a featured pool (with one champion in it), a subfeatured, and a basic pool, and replacing it with the new featured crystal that has a flat equal chance to pull any of the 24 champions in it which will contain six featured champs and eighteen basic champs.

    There's no more "basic pool." There is the basic crystal which costs 10k shards and contains every basic champion, and there's the featured crystal which is a different crystal which costs 15k shards and contains 24 champions: six featured and eighteen basic, all with equal chance of being drawn.

    The whole point of a featured crystal is to pull the featured champ not spend 5k extra shards to pull another jugg or antman. This idea could have been good if the "basic" champs werent the same ones i have at sig 200....

    Technically speaking, the new crystal has a higher chance to pull a featured than the current one. If you believe the point of the 5* featured crystal is to pull a featured champ, it does that better than the old one. What it doesn't do is let you pick which featured you want when you pull them. The new crystal will have six featureds and eighteen basics. That's one in four. The current crystal has about a one in five chance to pull the featured.

    For many players, however, the point to *any* crystal opening is to try to improve their roster by the most efficient way possible. For players looking specifically for one particular champ, the current crystal is strategically more useful. But for players looking to minimize their chances of getting champions they cannot use, the new crystal looks like it can be strategically more valuable.

    Every game change is going to help some players more than others. This change probably won't help me as much as others. But that doesn't make the changes pointless. Sometimes, the point is to improve the game overall in ways that some players will get less advantage from than others.
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