Show Up Difficulty Feedback [Title Edited for Clarity]

Is this a bug? Plus the annoying nodes AND 1.4 million health AND we can only bring 4 star champions?! What is going on? For only 3k 5* shards?/

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Lormif

@Lormif the definition of EVERYONE is: every person. How can everyone (each and every summoner) participate? And epic rewards are not 3k 5* shards!!!! You and the other kabam shills need to get a grasp on reality and accept that the event is disappointing.
And does everyone not have access to it? Who is not allowed to participate? Is there a level limit or a title limit I do not know about?
More of YOU moving goal posts...you're worse than a damn politician. No one said some weren't allowed to participate. It is limited on TIME allotted to do it and availability of champs and rank up material to get said champs ranked to do it.
how did I move the goal post? The dude stated that the issue was the phrase "anyone can participate", literally. Just because that is not your argument, does not mean it is not his argument.
Those were Kabams words...He didn't claim that access is restricted because it is locked to a certain group as you insinuated. That's how you are moving the goal posts.

And if you calim those words are false that means you are arguing that not anyone can participate. The opposite of "anyone can participate" is "not everyone can participate". By claiming that that line is false he is claiming not everyone can participate.... This is what is known in logic as De Morgans law. In order to negate a sentence you have to negate everything.

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WeaponX

LOL! So this is supposed to be "fun" and we are supposed to get "epic rewards"?!

Looks like 0 for 2 there Kabam. Good job!

Lormif

So, for the next week bosses, can we make them a little bit harder and challenging?

Like, make Captain Marvel immune to the damage back from mystic champions. And IW IM should have some healing abilities, so that we need to outdamage it.

Just some ideas. Don't make them as easier as this silver surfer was
Obviously you have some of the few champion that actually work. Some people don’t have the luxury of having those champions ranked up.

Like you said, you could remove rewards, but that would just be kinda pointless. Just proving to yourself that you can do it. I know I can do it, but there is no way in hell im taking up a 4* to r4 or 5 just for the purpose of making myself feel better for to get a single 5*.
we have known for like a month it would require 4*s, not having 4* mats sitting around waiting to be used is not much of an excuse in my opinion.
They didn’t tell us that it would have to be a specific 4*. I have the needed ones, but I’m not ranking them for virtually no rewards.
It is not a specific 4*..... There is a large list of potential candidates.
Yep:
Medusa
Torch
Collossus
Anhilius
SPX
Hype
Anhilius
Sasquatch.

Lets see, I don’t have any Coldsnap immunes ranked up, or any armor breakers ranked up.
there are more than that. The design of this is to make you think more, but hey. Corvas could also work provided you are good at evading while charges are down, and can use coldsnap to regain chip damage when they are up. That is just one outisde your box.
You’ve brought up one more. Yippee. And I don’t have them ranked up.
But why not rank someone up? We had variant 4 which required 4* champs, we will surely have more content which requires 4* champs.

Even failing that argument, and worse come worse it is only 8 t5b and 3 t4cc, all of which can be earned back in 2-3 weeks time and you have a permanently ranked champion in your roster for arena.
V4 is something you can do over a long period of time...This we have, what...2 weeks?
34 days, unless they remove it weekly which I have not heard them doing. So 5 weeks.
Yeah such a good idea. Lets spend our entire month trying to finish surfer off
you guys are like experts at moving the goal posts and strawmen arguments.
The fact is, its limited while the Variants aren't limited. I have once threwed all the variants except V1...I'll get to the exploration some day and I may rank some useless champs to do it. It will be worth it because the rewards are better, and I can do it at my leisure saving up ranking resources over time.

The strawman argument is that this is just like ranking for a variant which it clearly isn't...the rewards are garbage.
Tell that to the people without a 1* hulk trying to complete caustic temper path in variant 4. I never made the claim it is just like ranking up for a variant, but nice try. This is completely skippable content.
First...All content is completely skippable...Further, there is a source to acquire a 1* Hulk...A source that you can go to over time and keep trying to get him. Months...even years.

I fully agree this content could be bypassed and not done by everyone...but isn't that counter to what Kabam wants? I mean they want us to do it...to spend to do it in fact.
The fact is the variant is still limited, which you claimed it was not.... Again back to the moving the goal posts.
Variant is not limited...you have years to complete it. Has any of the variants disappeared from your account? Cause mine still has them all. The only moved goal post is your moving limited from time to availability of champs. Don't be a moron...
So limiting someone to star levels is not a limitation? There is a difference between not being limited and not being time limited, the latter not being what you said, but maybe what you meant. Be more clear in your rebuttals.
I actually gave a time limit as an example...Nice try...

you can give tons of examples, an example does not mean your post is limited to just the example.

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Lormif

@Lormif the definition of EVERYONE is: every person. How can everyone (each and every summoner) participate? And epic rewards are not 3k 5* shards!!!! You and the other kabam shills need to get a grasp on reality and accept that the event is disappointing.
And does everyone not have access to it? Who is not allowed to participate? Is there a level limit or a title limit I do not know about?
More of YOU moving goal posts...you're worse than a damn politician. No one said some weren't allowed to participate. It is limited on TIME allotted to do it and availability of champs and rank up material to get said champs ranked to do it.
how did I move the goal post? The dude stated that the issue was the phrase "anyone can participate", literally. Just because that is not your argument, does not mean it is not his argument.
Those were Kabams words...He didn't claim that access is restricted because it is locked to a certain group as you insinuated. That's how you are moving the goal posts.
And if you calim those words are false that means you are arguing that not anyone can participate. The opposite of "anyone can participate" is "not everyone can participate". By claiming that that line is false he is claiming not everyone can participate.... This is what is known in logic as De Morgans law. In order to negate a sentence you have to negate everything.
Like I said...worse than a damn politician. You knew what he meant, just like you knew what I meant when I was talking about limits. I get the impression you are arguing just to argue.

No I literally do not know what he meant. I know what kabam stated, and that they delivered what they stated, other than maybe the epic rewards. Everyone can participate.

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Big_eggy

Ideas for IWIM: immune to armor break, armors are permanent, immune to Ability Accuracy Reduction, and freezer burn. There ya go a fun skill based fight!
Whos iwim?

Iron War Infinity Man

Thecurler

If you look at it realistically, it's 3k Shards for 1 Fight.
Seeing as there are a few non believers that Colossus can solo Silver Surfer in the number of hits I screenshot, I just did this to prove a point... 26% of his health in 39 hits. For those of you that struggle with maths, that's tracking under 160 hits for the KO.
https://youtu.be/msVzcQrgRBU
But you still have to rank 5 colossus, even if you have him at rank 5 as a 5*
Yes I ranked up Colossus for this event. So have several people in my alliance.
Personally I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation to rank up a champ for an event like this. I understand not everyone has that view.
Same. By the way, thanks for the tip. Helped me and my Ally get it done easier. One guy was doing 40k with the L2.

No problem. Shame I don't think he's able to get the showdown done, looks like a guaranteed timeout without the synergy team.

160 odd 4* but no Medusa or Cap Marvel Movie, I've got no chance 😂

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Lormif

@Lormif the definition of EVERYONE is: every person. How can everyone (each and every summoner) participate? And epic rewards are not 3k 5* shards!!!! You and the other kabam shills need to get a grasp on reality and accept that the event is disappointing.
And does everyone not have access to it? Who is not allowed to participate? Is there a level limit or a title limit I do not know about?
More of YOU moving goal posts...you're worse than a damn politician. No one said some weren't allowed to participate. It is limited on TIME allotted to do it and availability of champs and rank up material to get said champs ranked to do it.
how did I move the goal post? The dude stated that the issue was the phrase "anyone can participate", literally. Just because that is not your argument, does not mean it is not his argument.
Those were Kabams words...He didn't claim that access is restricted because it is locked to a certain group as you insinuated. That's how you are moving the goal posts.
And if you calim those words are false that means you are arguing that not anyone can participate. The opposite of "anyone can participate" is "not everyone can participate". By claiming that that line is false he is claiming not everyone can participate.... This is what is known in logic as De Morgans law. In order to negate a sentence you have to negate everything.
Like I said...worse than a damn politician. You knew what he meant, just like you knew what I meant when I was talking about limits. I get the impression you are arguing just to argue.
No I literally do not know what he meant. I know what kabam stated, and that they delivered what they stated, other than maybe the epic rewards. Everyone can participate.
Why do I feel like you drive a van with two dozen student honor roll stickers on the back?

no clue. Me not attempting to assume meaning from someone statement and taking them at the word had nothing to do with the honor roll. Not assuming is typically seen as a good sign.

Masterpuff

@Lormif i gathered some 4* rank up gems and took ghost to rank 4 and got the solo. A r4 is totally viable, some parts of what I previously said stand corrected.
good job dude.

Thanks man, and no hate dude. Sorry if I was a bit rude.

Doubledash

Hey all,

This is correct. This is a participation event for that want to be a part of the Summoner Showdown, but don't feel comfortable competing in the Showdown qualifiers. It's a taste of what our Competitors are facing and is not meant to be easy.

It is still meant to be a challenge and a test of skill.

It’s not that people are trying to get stuff for nothing, yeah showdown is ment to be super hard cause it’s a tournament.
Show up is ment to be fun.....it’s really not. And the Epic prizes? Hahahaha give over 3k 5* shards are just poop! I’m a long time player and I won’t be touching this **** it’s not worth any of the resources when I can spend my time with other content with better rewards. Bad move on this show up difficulty

Lormif

@Lormif i gathered some 4* rank up gems and took ghost to rank 4 and got the solo. A r4 is totally viable, some parts of what I previously said stand corrected.
good job dude.
Thanks man, and no hate dude. Sorry if I was a bit rude.

its all good, I understand emotions get high in these situations, I learned a long time ago not to take it personally.

Demonzfyre

Y'all still going on about this?

KingKiah

Hey all,

This is correct. This is a participation event for that want to be a part of the Summoner Showdown, but don't feel comfortable competing in the Showdown qualifiers. It's a taste of what our Competitors are facing and is not meant to be easy.

It is still meant to be a challenge and a test of skill.
Apparently, open to everyone does not mean everyone. #KabamLogic

“You can, but can you really”

Berjibs

Ideas for IMIW: immune to armor break, armors are permanent, immune to Ability Accuracy Reduction, and freezer burn. There ya go a fun skill based fight!

Night thrasher.

Next.....

KyrieRed

This is the type of content you get when you get ideas of the likes of Dorky DAve you you tuber! I know the cold snap is something he probably came up with. This content is doable with Medusa but it’s just plain annoying, I mean one step forward 4 step backwards for you guys every time

Berjibs

This “rewards not worth it” seems mostly like a cop out. A convenient excuse for not putting it on the line.

Someone literally compared the rewards to doing a week of arena.

The fight takes 15 minutes if you’re being generous.

Can anyone point me in the direction of the content where they get 500k gold and potentially 1/2 a 5* in less than 15 mins that makes this not worth their while?

GroundedWisdom

This “rewards not worth it” seems mostly like a cop out. A convenient excuse for not putting it on the line.

Someone literally compared the rewards to doing a week of arena.

The fight takes 15 minutes if you’re being generous.

Can anyone point me in the direction of the content where they get 500k gold and potentially 1/2 a 5* in less than 15 mins that makes this not worth their while?

To be fair, worth it is also proportionate to what people have to go through to get it done, and that can change depending on how much harder it is for some than others. If I look at it plainly, it's 3k per Fight and 6k to finish, 2 Mil Gold overall. To someone who has to invest more into getting it done, I can see how it seems like too much for too little. Just looking at the other perspective.

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Greekhit

I personally did not have any issue completing this content, but I am an endgame player. There is not a single chance that a mid-tier player will be able to compete in this event. Not very inclusive, if you ask me. I thought the road map specifically said that Kabam was getting away from "restrictive" challenges where just a handful of options work? What happened to that?
The coldsnap node made the fight restrictive.
Seems like countless pages of feedback on June, with many refers on restrictive fights 6.2 Sinister type, didn’t had any effect on Kabam’s design.
What’s the positive this coldsnap node added to the fight?
The only thing that did, it was narrowing the options and created a cry out as an outcome.
😠
Come on you can't be serious. There are so many options between armor break or coldsnap immune champs. This is not at all on the same playing field as the sinister fight. They don't belong in the same conversation.

The same logic can be applied to the 6.2 Sinister fight too.
If you like to see so many options for the fight feel free to see them. Cause most of the players are only seeing very few.
Maybe they are bit more than the Sinister fight, but they are still few and this mentality of restricting fights to few counters, we all know that already has been rejected by the community.

Onmix

So, for the next week bosses, can we make them a little bit harder and challenging?

Like, make Captain Marvel immune to the damage back from mystic champions. And IW IM should have some healing abilities, so that we need to outdamage it.

Just some ideas. Don't make them as easier as this silver surfer was
Obviously you have some of the few champion that actually work. Some people don’t have the luxury of having those champions ranked up.

Like you said, you could remove rewards, but that would just be kinda pointless. Just proving to yourself that you can do it. I know I can do it, but there is no way in hell im taking up a 4* to r4 or 5 just for the purpose of making myself feel better for to get a single 5*.
we have known for like a month it would require 4*s, not having 4* mats sitting around waiting to be used is not much of an excuse in my opinion.
They didn’t tell us that it would have to be a specific 4*. I have the needed ones, but I’m not ranking them for virtually no rewards.
It is not a specific 4*..... There is a large list of potential candidates.
Yep:
Medusa
Torch
Collossus
Anhilius
SPX
Hype
Anhilius
Sasquatch.

Lets see, I don’t have any Coldsnap immunes ranked up, or any armor breakers ranked up.
there are more than that. The design of this is to make you think more, but hey. Corvas could also work provided you are good at evading while charges are down, and can use coldsnap to regain chip damage when they are up. That is just one outisde your box.
You’ve brought up one more. Yippee. And I don’t have them ranked up.
But why not rank someone up? We had variant 4 which required 4* champs, we will surely have more content which requires 4* champs.

Even failing that argument, and worse come worse it is only 8 t5b and 3 t4cc, all of which can be earned back in 2-3 weeks time and you have a permanently ranked champion in your roster for arena.

It’s not even needed to use all those resources. You can just rank them to R4 and have at it. R5 is NOT needed.

GroundedWisdom

So, for the next week bosses, can we make them a little bit harder and challenging?

Like, make Captain Marvel immune to the damage back from mystic champions. And IW IM should have some healing abilities, so that we need to outdamage it.

Just some ideas. Don't make them as easier as this silver surfer was
Obviously you have some of the few champion that actually work. Some people don’t have the luxury of having those champions ranked up.

Like you said, you could remove rewards, but that would just be kinda pointless. Just proving to yourself that you can do it. I know I can do it, but there is no way in hell im taking up a 4* to r4 or 5 just for the purpose of making myself feel better for to get a single 5*.
we have known for like a month it would require 4*s, not having 4* mats sitting around waiting to be used is not much of an excuse in my opinion.
They didn’t tell us that it would have to be a specific 4*. I have the needed ones, but I’m not ranking them for virtually no rewards.
It is not a specific 4*..... There is a large list of potential candidates.
Yep:
Medusa
Torch
Collossus
Anhilius
SPX
Hype
Anhilius
Sasquatch.

Lets see, I don’t have any Coldsnap immunes ranked up, or any armor breakers ranked up.
there are more than that. The design of this is to make you think more, but hey. Corvas could also work provided you are good at evading while charges are down, and can use coldsnap to regain chip damage when they are up. That is just one outisde your box.
You’ve brought up one more. Yippee. And I don’t have them ranked up.
But why not rank someone up? We had variant 4 which required 4* champs, we will surely have more content which requires 4* champs.

Even failing that argument, and worse come worse it is only 8 t5b and 3 t4cc, all of which can be earned back in 2-3 weeks time and you have a permanently ranked champion in your roster for arena.
It’s not even needed to use all those resources. You can just rank them to R4 and have at it. R5 is NOT needed.

No, but taking Colossus to R5 made quite a difference. Plus, I didn't use any T2A, so I'm cool with it.

Yogiethebear

I thought the game was going to improve? This is a big step back imo. Awful event

Kabam Miike

Alright! Changes coming to Show Up Difficulty:

So, it's pretty obvious that what we had in mind and what our players had in mind were vastly different. We wanted this to be a replica of what Players in Showdown were going through, but without the Restriction of only 1 Champion. When we said that this was for everybody, we meant that you could be a part of it regardless of your Age, Region, or even if you're not Level 60 and Cavalier.

But that's not what came across, and not what players expected. You wanted something for everybody, and we get that. We're going to be making the following changes so that the spirit of the fight is still going to be present, but it will be more accessible, and less daunting.

- Replacing the 4000% Health Increase with 1000% Health Increase
- Removing the 4-Star Restriction

This is ONLY for the Show Up Difficulty, and will be carried forward to the next fights as well. Keep in mind, any nodes/buffs and other restrictions will still mirror the Showdown difficulty.

This will still be a challenge, as it should be, but not as much, and is more in line with celebrating the Summoner Showdown as well.