People would have gotten the same response had they asked last month. It's not supposed to tank the Special. Not sure what more they could say.
And yet Hercules boss in Cavalier monthly EQ was tanking our SP3. Which is why we thought that Hercules has the ability to trigger immortality buff the SP3 IF the SP3 has the potential to knock him out. That’s why no one reported about the “bug”. Because everyone thought everything was working then “as intended.”
And once the monthly EQ is over, Kabam comes out and says “oh, we knew about the bug and we fixed it already.” And no mention of it in Patch Notes 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ That’s Kabam for you.
Let’s admit it - Kabam messed up this one real bad. And one would need to be Kabam bootlicker or myopic not to acknowledge it.
I hate to say it but I can understand why they would want to have the sp3 remove the immortality for some balence to this very impressive character BUT the fact that they DID NOT INDICATE THAT IN THE WRITING OF THE SIG ABILITY makes kabam’s claims of being more transparent seem to be a blatant lie. I have Hercules (5 65 max sig)myself and have used him very extensively and what I have noticed is that not only does the sp3 take away his immortality but also sp2 and sp1 granted this does not always happen but what I find to the most interesting is that this did not start occurring till after this so called hot fix. If anything this “hot fix” broke more than it “fixed.”
What if, because SP3 is considered as a single source of damage, if it would be enough to kill him, his Immortality actually triggers as soon as the SP3 triggers, but is removed afterwards, effectively killing him?
The Champion removes Persistent Charges on SP3 activation even if it does KO, so maybe it's a similar situation.
However, even this does not explain how he was shown as being able to survive SP3s by both the CCP and the EQ Hercules, so...
I don't get it.
Did anyone really say anything during the EQ, or did they just think that that was supposed to be how he works?
Also... if you ask me, it really does look awfully convenient that nothing was done when the EQ was active, but was fixed not very long afterwards, when this behaviour was never intended – but that's just my two cents.
What if, because SP3 is considered as a single source of damage, if it would be enough to kill him, his Immortality actually triggers as soon as the SP3 triggers, but is removed afterwards, effectively killing him?
The Champion removes Persistent Charges on SP3 activation even if it does KO, so maybe it's a similar situation.
However, even this does not explain how he was shown as being able to survive SP3s by both the CCP and the EQ Hercules, so...
I don't get it.
Did anyone really say anything during the EQ, or did they just think that that was supposed to be how he works?
Also... if you ask me, it really does look awfully convenient that nothing was done when the EQ was active, but was fixed not very long afterwards, when this behaviour was never intended – but that's just my two cents.
I considered that as well, but it shouldn't have worked on multi-hit SP3s before. I don't think it was worth changing as it doesn't make him terrible or anything, but the way they went about it was so so bad. Pretty safe bet that they know we'll quit complaining eventually and go back to buying stuff, so they can do whatever lame customer relations shens they want, poorly thought-out or not.
It started out as a nerf to his immortality sig ability. now, i am noticing the more i use hercules throughout event quests, variant, alliance wars, etc. I am getting knocked out left and right when there are NO defensive ability accuracy reduction nodes nor anything of that sort. ultron's variant, i am getting knocked out by ultron though he has no offensive ability accuracy reduction trait, there are also no nodes that imply the same thing. alliance wars, there is no ability accuracy reduction on specific nodes when i am fighting, path 4 and boss island left side. YET i am getting knocked out by a jabari panther whom also has ZERO ability accuracy reduction. these are just two examples that i am noticing hercules immortality sig ability NOT triggering.
Pilfer regeneration is everywhere in Variant 1. That node can nullify Hercules' immortality buff instantly and leave you vulnerable to death.
It started out as a nerf to his immortality sig ability. now, i am noticing the more i use hercules throughout event quests, variant, alliance wars, etc. I am getting knocked out left and right when there are NO defensive ability accuracy reduction nodes nor anything of that sort. ultron's variant, i am getting knocked out by ultron though he has no offensive ability accuracy reduction trait, there are also no nodes that imply the same thing. alliance wars, there is no ability accuracy reduction on specific nodes when i am fighting, path 4 and boss island left side. YET i am getting knocked out by a jabari panther whom also has ZERO ability accuracy reduction. these are just two examples that i am noticing hercules immortality sig ability NOT triggering.
Pilfer regeneration is everywhere in Variant 1. That node can nullify Hercules' immortality buff instantly and leave you vulnerable to death.
As for Jabari panther, what nodes were on her?
Node 48 in AW: Rage 2.5, Extend, Return Policy - 2, True Focus... where in there is defensive ability accuracy reduction? Nowhere.
Another example: Variant 2.0 Microrealm: hercules got knocked out pre immortality buff in 2.2 to a medusa. where is there a defensive ability accuracy reduction for a NON-robotic champion? none. nothing that she can do to get rid of immortality from triggering. also nothing in variant 2.0 to knock hercules out automatically. the sig ability states when receiving any damage that WOULD result in a knockout, gain immortality. that should be any and all damage.
I'm going to keep posting these as I come across them.
ALSO NOTE. NOTICE HOW MY ORIGINAL POST IS AGAIN DELETED FROM THE THREAD so I will post again.
It started out as a nerf to his immortality sig ability. now, i am noticing the more i use hercules throughout event quests, variant, alliance wars, etc. I am getting knocked out left and right when there are NO defensive ability accuracy reduction nodes nor anything of that sort. ultron's variant, i am getting knocked out by ultron though he has no offensive ability accuracy reduction trait, there are also no nodes that imply the same thing. alliance wars, there is no ability accuracy reduction on specific nodes when i am fighting, path 4 and boss island left side. YET i am getting knocked out by a jabari panther whom also has ZERO ability accuracy reduction. these are just two examples that i am noticing hercules immortality sig ability NOT triggering.
we all demand an explanation kabam. something is truly wrong with this silent nerf and change in his coding because his sig ability IS NOT working as intended. where is the fix for this? where is the compensation for this? a whole mess of players grinded their butts off and me personally spent 4 odins JUST TO BUY THIS CHAMPION.
NO MATTER WHAT he should not be getting knocked out with ANY damage where he would be knocked out and his immortality should trigger. ESPECIALLY with zero ability accuracy reduction abilities from champs and nodes where there are literally no reasons why the buff should not trigger. PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP because a lot of us are upset still because there seems to be more of an issue than the silent nerf you've done stating he could be knocked out with an SP3 and immortality not triggering even though his sig ability reads ANY damage that WOULD knock him out he triggers immortality. Why make a champ who's entire sig ability does not even trigger half the time? in every single one of these instances i was never knocked out by an SP3, it was through regular hit damage and/or SP1/2 damage. this makes zero sense and we demand an explanation. it causes players to lose faith in the game, developers, and you are LOSING interest of players grinding so hard to get a champ and spenders from spending. RESTORE hercules to how he was when first introduced. THAT's how he should be, THAT is what we paid for, THAT is who spent so much for, THAT is the version of hercules we want and frankly should have. silently nerfing oh so conveniently RIGHT AFTER his event quest and his arena grind and his crystal offering is over IS NOT ETHICAL. this needs to be publicly announced formally when these types of NERFS are put into the game code. honestly, you have a lawsuit building up if you do not address issues such as this. we all want who we grinded and paid for. CHANGE HIM BACK TO HOW HE WAS. it is unacceptable to not address these issues directly and force players to spend money on healing/reviving hercules with the chance that his immortality will not even trigger when there is NO defensive ability accuracy reduction node/ability on the champ he is fighting against. i will record this next time and prove it.
AND STOP DELETING MY POSTS. I LOGGED IN TO CHECK THE STATUS OF MY POST A WEEK AGO AND IT WAS GONE!!
People would have gotten the same response had they asked last month. It's not supposed to tank the Special. Not sure what more they could say.
And yet Hercules boss in Cavalier monthly EQ was tanking our SP3. Which is why we thought that Hercules has the ability to trigger immortality buff the SP3 IF the SP3 has the potential to knock him out. That’s why no one reported about the “bug”. Because everyone thought everything was working then “as intended.”
And once the monthly EQ is over, Kabam comes out and says “oh, we knew about the bug and we fixed it already.” And no mention of it in Patch Notes 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ That’s Kabam for you.
Let’s admit it - Kabam messed up this one real bad. And one would need to be Kabam bootlicker or myopic not to acknowledge it.
Do you propose they stop the EQ and fix it? Patch Notes, fair game. The existence of a bug that isn't fixed yet is not proof of deception.
It started out as a nerf to his immortality sig ability. now, i am noticing the more i use hercules throughout event quests, variant, alliance wars, etc. I am getting knocked out left and right when there are NO defensive ability accuracy reduction nodes nor anything of that sort. ultron's variant, i am getting knocked out by ultron though he has no offensive ability accuracy reduction trait, there are also no nodes that imply the same thing. alliance wars, there is no ability accuracy reduction on specific nodes when i am fighting, path 4 and boss island left side. YET i am getting knocked out by a jabari panther whom also has ZERO ability accuracy reduction. these are just two examples that i am noticing hercules immortality sig ability NOT triggering.
Pilfer regeneration is everywhere in Variant 1. That node can nullify Hercules' immortality buff instantly and leave you vulnerable to death.
As for Jabari panther, what nodes were on her?
Node 48 in AW: Rage 2.5, Extend, Return Policy - 2, True Focus... where in there is defensive ability accuracy reduction? Nowhere.
Another example: Variant 2.0 Microrealm: hercules got knocked out pre immortality buff in 2.2 to a medusa. where is there a defensive ability accuracy reduction for a NON-robotic champion? none. nothing that she can do to get rid of immortality from triggering. also nothing in variant 2.0 to knock hercules out automatically. the sig ability states when receiving any damage that WOULD result in a knockout, gain immortality. that should be any and all damage.
I'm going to keep posting these as I come across them.
ALSO NOTE. NOTICE HOW MY ORIGINAL POST IS AGAIN DELETED FROM THE THREAD so I will post again.
Jabari panther - Assassin mastery
Medusa - if you triggered immortality in the same frame as when your hitting the opponent, glancing can fail its activation. You can read more about the true nature of ability accuracy reduction here:
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And once the monthly EQ is over, Kabam comes out and says “oh, we knew about the bug and we fixed it already.” And no mention of it in Patch Notes 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ That’s Kabam for you.
Let’s admit it - Kabam messed up this one real bad. And one would need to be Kabam bootlicker or myopic not to acknowledge it.
I hate to say it but I can understand why they would want to have the sp3 remove the immortality for some balence to this very impressive character BUT the fact that they DID NOT INDICATE THAT IN THE WRITING OF THE SIG ABILITY makes kabam’s claims of being more transparent seem to be a blatant lie. I have Hercules (5 65 max sig)myself and have used him very extensively and what I have noticed is that not only does the sp3 take away his immortality but also sp2 and sp1 granted this does not always happen but what I find to the most interesting is that this did not start occurring till after this so called hot fix. If anything this “hot fix” broke more than it “fixed.”
What if, because SP3 is considered as a single source of damage, if it would be enough to kill him, his Immortality actually triggers as soon as the SP3 triggers, but is removed afterwards, effectively killing him?
The Champion removes Persistent Charges on SP3 activation even if it does KO, so maybe it's a similar situation.
However, even this does not explain how he was shown as being able to survive SP3s by both the CCP and the EQ Hercules, so...
I don't get it.
Did anyone really say anything during the EQ, or did they just think that that was supposed to be how he works?
Also... if you ask me, it really does look awfully convenient that nothing was done when the EQ was active, but was fixed not very long afterwards, when this behaviour was never intended – but that's just my two cents.
when do you admit you made a big mistake by "fixing" Hercules in all silence!
As for Jabari panther, what nodes were on her?
Another example:
Variant 2.0 Microrealm: hercules got knocked out pre immortality buff in 2.2 to a medusa. where is there a defensive ability accuracy reduction for a NON-robotic champion? none. nothing that she can do to get rid of immortality from triggering. also nothing in variant 2.0 to knock hercules out automatically. the sig ability states when receiving any damage that WOULD result in a knockout, gain immortality. that should be any and all damage.
I'm going to keep posting these as I come across them.
ALSO NOTE. NOTICE HOW MY ORIGINAL POST IS AGAIN DELETED FROM THE THREAD so I will post again.
we all demand an explanation kabam. something is truly wrong with this silent nerf and change in his coding because his sig ability IS NOT working as intended. where is the fix for this? where is the compensation for this? a whole mess of players grinded their butts off and me personally spent 4 odins JUST TO BUY THIS CHAMPION.
NO MATTER WHAT he should not be getting knocked out with ANY damage where he would be knocked out and his immortality should trigger. ESPECIALLY with zero ability accuracy reduction abilities from champs and nodes where there are literally no reasons why the buff should not trigger. PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP because a lot of us are upset still because there seems to be more of an issue than the silent nerf you've done stating he could be knocked out with an SP3 and immortality not triggering even though his sig ability reads ANY damage that WOULD knock him out he triggers immortality. Why make a champ who's entire sig ability does not even trigger half the time? in every single one of these instances i was never knocked out by an SP3, it was through regular hit damage and/or SP1/2 damage. this makes zero sense and we demand an explanation. it causes players to lose faith in the game, developers, and you are LOSING interest of players grinding so hard to get a champ and spenders from spending. RESTORE hercules to how he was when first introduced. THAT's how he should be, THAT is what we paid for, THAT is who spent so much for, THAT is the version of hercules we want and frankly should have. silently nerfing oh so conveniently RIGHT AFTER his event quest and his arena grind and his crystal offering is over IS NOT ETHICAL. this needs to be publicly announced formally when these types of NERFS are put into the game code. honestly, you have a lawsuit building up if you do not address issues such as this. we all want who we grinded and paid for. CHANGE HIM BACK TO HOW HE WAS. it is unacceptable to not address these issues directly and force players to spend money on healing/reviving hercules with the chance that his immortality will not even trigger when there is NO defensive ability accuracy reduction node/ability on the champ he is fighting against. i will record this next time and prove it.
AND STOP DELETING MY POSTS. I LOGGED IN TO CHECK THE STATUS OF MY POST A WEEK AGO AND IT WAS GONE!!
Medusa - if you triggered immortality in the same frame as when your hitting the opponent, glancing can fail its activation. You can read more about the true nature of ability accuracy reduction here:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/269748/combat-mechanics-theres-no-such-thing-as-defensive-ability-accuracy/p1