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Doing this allows us to bring the Game back up for everyone else.
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For BWCV, as a non-recoil mastery user, I only use her healing stance when I’ve messed up and taken hits or substantial chip damage. 98% of the time, I’m using power control or burst damage instead. By this measure, BWCV is a worse healer than Guillotine.
There are so many champions that require you to take a specific action, have a particular interaction between attacker and defender, or cross a certain health threshold in order to access their healing mechanics. Ghost Rider, Blade, Hulk Buster, Hood, Sorcerer Supreme, Bishop, on and on and on. You have to either be choosing to heal, getting in the right matchup, or taking a lot of damage to trigger it.
Champions like Guillotine, Diablo (if running liquid courage), Wolverine, and Voodoo are not like that. Their healing just happens as a function of playing. When you compare Guillotine to that class of champion, the ones that don’t require specific circumstances to heal, you start to see exactly how far behind she lags.
To my way of thinking they have like 3 categories of healing characters in there.
1. Constant regen (do nothing special and heal): Wolverine, OML, Angela, Diablo, King Groot, Voodoo, X23
2. Regen on demand (Heal due to specific actions): Blade, Ghost rider, BWCV, not in list but Hype would also fit here
3. Emergency healing (Heal due to low health): Hulkbuster, G99, not in the list but the other iron men and Punisher 2099 would fit here too
So the problem is that Guillotine belongs in group 1, but even before her buff she regens the least of any of the champs listed and her regen was then reduced in her changes.
And none of this touches on her lack of additional utility.
There you go. What can I say, it's a quiet day at the office.
The same can be said for any champion with healing tied to sig ability. If the data shown is compiled from all uses of the champion, as compared to awakened only or max sig ability only, then there are further flaws with this means of data comparison.
- Her Unblockable ability doesn't work. At all.
- Her Pain Link ability has no discernable function outside of incredibly niche matches such as Life Transfer/Aspect of Nightmares.
Her regeneration is about a third as effective as Diablo's. Is it any surprise his buff has been considered a success, and hers hasn't?
When Guilly's main strength appears to be 'sustainability' via regeneration, it seems odd for us to be reassured by your chart showing us that she has 'improved' from having the fourth-lowest generation on the chart to having the third-lowest regeneration on the chart.
Either way, there was little to no information about how the data was collected and put together, I'm assuming it represent actual data from a large amount of fights with little cooking behind. Hopefully they can clarify it today.
But we all know how the buff turned out, utility still nearly non existent, healing lowered and damage potential lowered as well. On top of all that a simple to play high reward champion became a tedious heavy spam character with less upside than she had before.
Her healing nerf is far from the biggest problem with her buff. She used to be one of my go to potion farmers an actual use she had in game. Now post buff she actually has less use because she's just more mediocre everywhere.
Her kit is now more RNG based since you start out with less chances to crit to bleed and start to ramp, you use all your souls every special so you have huge gaps in fights where the damage is so underwhelming.
She still relies on the night thrasher and purgatory synergies to be anything above just average.
Sorry for the rant, it's really just frustrating when there is a champion you used to really enjoy and use often get "buffed" and now feels almost unusable compared to her former state. In my eyes this is far worse than the hood situation because at least hood was buffed in the damage department. Guillotine was nerfed in the damage department and in the utility department losing her insane sp3 and great healing.
Please kabam just change her back
Here's something else.. did they really add an annoying defensive ability that has near zero offensive benefit to a community choice champion? Why though?
I had her at r2 before she was even considered for a rework. Because I already liked her base kit. After hearing she was getting it, I was excited to take her up to 3, but waited to be sure... After seeing it completed, I wish to take her down to 1 instead. Sorry, but just giving honest feedback.
Each hit of the SP1 nullifies one buff and whenever a buff is nullified, apply a bleed on the defender.
Super simple and fits into her kit and mystic class.
I really liked her before this rework. She just needed a slight damage tune up and some more utility added. Like buff control of some type.. whatever. A lot of us think the original error was that she was slated for an overhaul to begin with. Many of us agree that she just needed a moderate. I can't fathom why it was deemed necessary to completely change her playstyle to a heavy spam. Or to give her a defensive ability. Why was dev time spent on these things? I just can't understand. Especially where newer players are concerned. You made her more complicated to play (with no real benefit over her previous performance). It's like.. you now have to use a more complicated playstyle to achieve the same or even worse performance. Why?
Anyway, all is to say that myself and many others not only disagree that she's been improved, we think she is worse. Bottom line, if she is not restored to her original state and/or taken back to the drawing board we have a legitimate cause for champ specific rank downs here. Which, is very sad to me. But if that's the only option, I'll take my resources back (ranked her up before the announcement of the possibility of rework) and move on.
But then we didn’t. The only aspect of Guillotine’s kit that was discussed was her healing, which we already understood the thought process behind and just knew the execution was lacking.
There was no discussion of the sp3 nerf (because it objectively has less damage potential now and can be countered through various means), no explanation as to what was going on with pain split, no reasoning given as to why she was made into a parry/heavy champ.
Plenty of people asked those questions! They just weren’t answered. We did get answers to several non-Guillotine related questions, which were genuinely interesting but not at all what I had hoped to see there.
Just… this whole thing was an exercise in futility that left a fan favorite champion worse off than she was. She was one of my first four star champions back in early 2016 and I have a soft spot for her even though I don’t have her as a six star. It sucks to see that the champion who carried me through so much content just doesn’t exist anymore and has been replaced with an objectively worse one.
I normally give the devs the benefit of the doubt and try to see the silver lining but man, this one is really a gut punch.
They've heard us.
They just aren't going to do anything.
Reminds me of a conversation I've had more than once with my kids about the difference between 'hearing' and 'listening'...
On the other hand, it's still baffling how Guilly was chosen for a simpler buff that was aimed at lower players after a community vote in the first place. Higher players have invested more time, more effort and more love into the game than lower players. That is a simple fact, judge it by hours, money, progression whatever metric you want. And it's not like a champion aimed at higher players won't be used by lower players. I mean, who turns to a lower player and says ooh, Herc won't be good for you he's too good? Nobody says don't rank up ghost she's too hard, they say learn her she will do so much for you!
I would love to see the numbers of Cav/TB players who ended up participating in either of the votes, compared to UC and lower. And after all that, Kabam design a buff that clearly won't be useful for TB and Cav players even if they fixed her healing. When they could have designed a buff that benefitted everyone that put effort into voting!
Sure, make Gamora a buff for lower players, make Nova a buff for lower players. At the end of the day, just your typical buff. But don't make the Kabam OG character, voted in by the entire community one for only lower players. It takes all the hype out of the vote and future votes.
But hopefully that has all been taken on board for future.
Lastly, it's a real, real shame that it won't be taken on board for Guillotine. It feels like John is saying there "We hear you, you're right that votes carry a certain weight, but we won't apply it to Guilly". I don't feel like that was justified enough personally. It felt like an admission that we were right about the fact that a voted champ getting a lacklustre buff was wrong; but nothing is going to be done about it because..... reasons.
Guilly is a fan favourite, Kabam created champion, deep within the lore of the game and the community's hearts, I wish she had justice done with her buff. Even with healing tuned up, I can very confidently say she will be a bench warmer forever, no hope of a second buff, no much needed utility, nothing to set her apart from 2015 Guilly.
I think that's the main kick in the proverbial here, she is pretty much the same as 2015 Guilly. Like, if you added this champion alongside 2015 Guilly, she'd probably still be getting a buff today. It's just shifting a champion sideways for a whole lot of effort from the game team, and 50% of a months buff slots. In some areas she is worse, in some she is better. But overall, she is worse than before. I hope this is an anomaly of the buff program and not the beginning of a pattern.