Oh actually I am a programmer but I've never messed with my own game engine because that's dumb and cost a lot to maintain. Can't roll back? Really that's why a lot of players went online to find the January APK file just to make the game playable again and still have access to EVERYTHING except the new EQ and side quest.
You can in theory roll the entire game client back completely (you cannot do intracode rollbacks as previously discussed). However, the app stores don't give well supported ways to make multiple versions of the same game client available (as far as I'm aware, someone post a link to the reversion recommendations from the vendors for each platform if I'm out of date there), which means if they attempt to do a complete rollback for Android on the Google Play store they will likely need to still get the old version reapproved which takes time (my understanding is it has to do with the mandatory requirements of version tracking) and then everyone who allows normal automatic updates would then get auto reverted and lose access to the new content, even if they were not experiencing any issues. Given the Android issues are not universal, that would be a very drastic step to take.
Also, there's a significant risk here because while it might seem like the only thing lost is access to the new content, that's not always the case. For example, there are times where if you're running the older version past a certain date the game servers block you from even logging in. This is probably a safety lock to prevent bad side effects or corruptions from happening due to the client mismatch.
A load of carp! They previous version is built on a game engine version right? They added their own code with SECTIONS for stuff like, new animations but mostly new content right? NOW! Let's debug, what did they do different? Did they work on a new version of the game engine? Yes/No -if Yes - rollback to previous game engine version -if No - inspect newly added code for bugs, slim down the code. Did they add extra sections of code ? Yes/No -if Yes: - Where exactly? Check previously KNOWN reliable code for that section and look for bugs. - What code exactly? new BALANCE (yeah right) code that might not be active? - continue debug from here, rollback to previous code, delete EXTRA sections of code, inspect content only sections of code. Bug Found === Bug Fix -if No - Option 1: Magic - Option 2: they are incompetent and can't even debug.
Not gonna lie, until you’ve explained your qualifications and why you know better than someone with years and years in the industry, along with direct communication with the developers of the game - I’m going to stick with trusting DNA’s technical expertise.
Don't want to spam here either....but for everyone that has the idea it's easy to fix an issue with Unity, it's totally free for private use (and some commercial applications up to a certain $ revenue amount). Go ahead and d/l it. Play with it. Come up with solutions. Make sure to read and understand the difference between this current version and previous ones.
'Those that can, do. Those that cannot, critique'- paraphrased. That being said, as an old person, I do know that generally speaking...throwing money at a prob makes it go away. Maybe they just don't have the right people to be tossing money at.
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Dude stop blaming unity, if UNITY WAS THE ISSUE, THE PREVIOUS VERSION SHOULD NOT BE WORKING FINE. they changed something regarding the frame rate. A few weeks ago someone even data mined and saw an option for frame rate settings. If the unity engine changed, all versions of the game should react the same way. Its a change that Kabam made on their end on this last update. The part that baffles me is that there are over 2k posts and they claim being unable to replicate the bug.
Good evening! Would be nice not to spend units on defensive placement masteries if you’re not going to have the patch out in enough time to make a call. Hope to see an update soon.
Hey Kabam, it would be nice to have a patch or fix to this parry input/lag issue sooner rather than later, with only 6 days left in this AW season. Yesterday's maintenance did nothing; if anything, it appears worse today.
As he says, not make a new thread: For someone buying Rog phone just to enjoy playing on higher refresh rate this game, the new update ruined everything. Now stuck on 30fps and it's very laggy. This issue is on Asus Rog phone 3, 5 and others I'm not sure which more.
Good find and a classic mistake, if they decided to lock the FPS in a bad way all the timings in the game are changed. Good chance that some input is disregarded because of this framerate locking.
Welp, now we've matched for war and we all know where this is going. AW will be cancelled, kabam will say this war won't count towards rating, but then you find out it did, and then kabam fixes that later. The cycle continues.
When a bug benefits the players: hotfix within 30 minutes When a bug benefits the company: "please, send a video showing the issue so we can investigate further"
Right. Because the game being unplayable for many players creating an even more unhappy customer base "benefits the company" because people have to use items, which they are already handing out for free. Makes sense.
The moderators ghosting the forum on this issue for the entire day so far with the game broken AF is seriously not okay. We were told an attempt at a hotfix would be out today. At some point if not already Kabam employees will be going home for the day. It's really not unreasonable to expect some type of response/update. Please say something as War placement just started.
I'll never understand why they do this. Moderators posting something like "Sorry, we don't really have any new information to provide. We are working on the hotfix as fast as we can but it isn't ready yet" is far better than saying nothing.
After the patch the game is freezing a lot more as well. Glad I stopped spending money on this some time ago, with the non stop issues I think I'd rather trust the Titanic than the game....can't wait till I get so fed up that don't care that I ever put money in the game and finally walk away (and I'm getting there)
Same here totally unplayable (i mean worse than that WE had since few month...) Can't Parry dex i drop a LOT of frames. I'm feeling liké i'm playing a photo novel. I got a Xiaomi MI11, built to run hardcore games normally..
Oh actually I am a programmer but I've never messed with my own game engine because that's dumb and cost a lot to maintain. Can't roll back? Really that's why a lot of players went online to find the January APK file just to make the game playable again and still have access to EVERYTHING except the new EQ and side quest.
You can in theory roll the entire game client back completely (you cannot do intracode rollbacks as previously discussed). However, the app stores don't give well supported ways to make multiple versions of the same game client available (as far as I'm aware, someone post a link to the reversion recommendations from the vendors for each platform if I'm out of date there), which means if they attempt to do a complete rollback for Android on the Google Play store they will likely need to still get the old version reapproved which takes time (my understanding is it has to do with the mandatory requirements of version tracking) and then everyone who allows normal automatic updates would then get auto reverted and lose access to the new content, even if they were not experiencing any issues. Given the Android issues are not universal, that would be a very drastic step to take.
Also, there's a significant risk here because while it might seem like the only thing lost is access to the new content, that's not always the case. For example, there are times where if you're running the older version past a certain date the game servers block you from even logging in. This is probably a safety lock to prevent bad side effects or corruptions from happening due to the client mismatch.
A load of carp! They previous version is built on a game engine version right?
Yes. I mean, this is only not true for games not built on engines. Like Pac Man.
They added their own code with SECTIONS for stuff like, new animations but mostly new content right?
No. Code and content are not intermingled in the way this implies. Also, engine modifications aren't SECTIONED in the way this implies.
At this point your textbook troubleshooting process appears to have run out of steps, but let's ignore that and continue on, we'll treat this as an unhandled exception.
- What code exactly? new BALANCE (yeah right) code that might not be active? - continue debug from here, rollback to previous code, delete EXTRA sections of code, inspect content only sections of code. Bug Found === Bug Fix
-if No - Option 1: Magic - Option 2: they are incompetent and can't even debug.
Almost every dev team has someone who thinks this is how real software is troubleshooted. If you are a programmer, and you haven't been sitting at the bar with your fellow programmers making fun of this guy, it is probably because they think you're this guy.
They're working on getting it out. It could also depend on when the platforms get them out to us.
Would appreciate them conveying that to us. It was supposed to be out today, it's getting late for a lot of folks. Even if they release it late night, it's going to delay feedback since they won't be at work which is understandable. War starts tomorrow and many would like to know what is going to happen.
They're working on getting it out. It could also depend on when the platforms get them out to us.
Would appreciate them conveying that to us. It was supposed to be out today, it's getting late for a lot of folks. Even if they release it late night, it's going to delay feedback since they won't be at work which is understandable. War starts tomorrow and many would like to know what is going to happen.
I understand. There are two parts to it in this sense. They prepare the Patch, then hand it off to Google/Apple. Once it's out of their hands, it's a matter of when the platforms make it accessible.
They're working on getting it out. It could also depend on when the platforms get them out to us.
Would appreciate them conveying that to us. It was supposed to be out today, it's getting late for a lot of folks. Even if they release it late night, it's going to delay feedback since they won't be at work which is understandable. War starts tomorrow and many would like to know what is going to happen.
I understand. There are two parts to it in this sense. They prepare the Patch, then hand it off to Google/Apple. Once it's out of their hands, it's a matter of when the platforms make it accessible.
Yeah I get that. But if they've prepared the Hotfix and handed it off, that can be conveyed as well. Atleast we know that it's ready and any delay is not from their side, but from when it is available on the playstore. They have communicated it a couple times before iirc, they can do it again if that's the case. If it isn't ready, then convey that.
They're working on getting it out. It could also depend on when the platforms get them out to us.
Would appreciate them conveying that to us. It was supposed to be out today, it's getting late for a lot of folks. Even if they release it late night, it's going to delay feedback since they won't be at work which is understandable. War starts tomorrow and many would like to know what is going to happen.
I understand. There are two parts to it in this sense. They prepare the Patch, then hand it off to Google/Apple. Once it's out of their hands, it's a matter of when the platforms make it accessible.
There are posts stating to get the previous version till the hotfix is out. Mods are not saying it is illegal or break ToS to do so. Since this hotfix is Android focus, can the game developer just host it on their site and not wait for Google?
Unless, there is an agreement signed with Google preventing this.
I can't speak for them, but I'd venture that could be something that would further agitate some.
Nothing agitates the community more than complete silence. Even something like, "we're still testing the hotfix", "the issue is more complicated than we initially thought", "we're sorry but the hotfix won't be ready until tomorrow".
Complete silence is insulting for the fact that they couldn't spend 10 seconds on the forum to provide some info. Even if it's bad.
When a bug benefits the players: hotfix within 30 minutes When a bug benefits the company: "please, send a video showing the issue so we can investigate further"
Right. Because the game being unplayable for many players creating an even more unhappy customer base "benefits the company" because people have to use items, which they are already handing out for free. Makes sense.
Still benefits the company.... making sense or not.
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A few weeks ago someone even data mined and saw an option for frame rate settings.
If the unity engine changed, all versions of the game should react the same way. Its a change that Kabam made on their end on this last update.
The part that baffles me is that there are over 2k posts and they claim being unable to replicate the bug.
Using Samsung Galaxy S10+
No. Code and content are not intermingled in the way this implies. Also, engine modifications aren't SECTIONED in the way this implies.
At this point your textbook troubleshooting process appears to have run out of steps, but let's ignore that and continue on, we'll treat this as an unhandled exception.
Almost certainly, technically yes.
No. This would break other parts of the game reliant on the new client.
Almost certainly yes. That's what they did to make the hotfix.
This is gibberish.
Almost every dev team has someone who thinks this is how real software is troubleshooted. If you are a programmer, and you haven't been sitting at the bar with your fellow programmers making fun of this guy, it is probably because they think you're this guy.
It was supposed to be out today, it's getting late for a lot of folks. Even if they release it late night, it's going to delay feedback since they won't be at work which is understandable.
War starts tomorrow and many would like to know what is going to happen.
They have communicated it a couple times before iirc, they can do it again if that's the case.
If it isn't ready, then convey that.
Unless, there is an agreement signed with Google preventing this.
Complete silence is insulting for the fact that they couldn't spend 10 seconds on the forum to provide some info. Even if it's bad.
Almost 8pm New York time and still release notes haven't dropped
I am now worried about this "patch" - i dont "feel" Kabam is on track
Gameplay back to "normal".
Thanks.