Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season
I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC
And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)
But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
Then introduced new WAR TITLE 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Taking alliances as factors heavily into deciding the SOLO CONTENT TITLE don't make any sense. This is progression title. It's meant everybody but if the basics are gated behind spending and justification is made on grounds that Players must be in high tier Aq and Aw 😕😕😕😕 if I am not wrong there's difference how player will play 7.4.6 and how one will play AW t3 . I thought the fundamentals were kind of different 🤔🤔 So i have completed Gauntlet,SOP and explored 7.4 but don't have enough material to r3 4 6 star champs cuz I didn't WHALED GIFTING EVENT, I DIDN'T PURCHASED THAT SO SUDDENLY IMPORTANT 7.4 10K UNIT DEAL( "DIDN'T PURCHASED"). So for the solo content I am at 100% but what I lack is Spending and be in 0.1% of player base engaged in ALLIANCE MODES for the PROGRESSION title of solo mode 😶😶😶😶😶 Interesting
Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season
I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC
And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)
But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
Then introduced new WAR TITLE 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Taking alliances as factors heavily into deciding the SOLO CONTENT TITLE don't make any sense. This is progression title. It's meant everybody but if the basics are gated behind spending and justification is made on grounds that Players must be in high tier Aq and Aw 😕😕😕😕 if I am not wrong there's difference how player will play 7.4.6 and how one will play AW t3 . I thought the fundamentals were kind of different 🤔🤔 So i have completed Gauntlet,SOP and explored 7.4 but don't have enough material to r3 4 6 star champs cuz I didn't WHALED GIFTING EVENT, I DIDN'T PURCHASED THAT SO SUDDENLY IMPORTANT 7.4 10K UNIT DEAL( "DIDN'T PURCHASED"). So for the solo content I am at 100% but what I lack is Spending and be in 0.1% of player base engaged in ALLIANCE MODES for the PROGRESSION title of solo mode 😶😶😶😶😶 Interesting
It’s 3 r4 6 stars not 4 r3. And it has nothing to do with war. You barely get any r4 materials from war. And most people in my ally didn’t buy that deal it was way overpriced and most have 3r4s. Most of that material came from carinas, SOP and 7.4.
Good evening, if I may say my opinion about it…. As a semi-free player, few expenses, some offers here and there….
Kabam what are you doing? Have you really decided to kill ftps? All the choices starting from Christmas seem to go in that direction, from the possibility of buying all those resources in the gift event up to the potions for war to buy with loyalty, and we know well that at present it translates into unity…. Now propose a new title, which will give a further advantage to those who spend money, an advantage that is unfairly unbridgeable at present for 90% of players…. And I bet that during the spring offers you can close the gap with money ... I love this game, I love how alliance wars are conceived, I started 6 years ago, but at this point I abandon, the reason is simple, not there is more hope of being able to play from ftp ... .. the advantage in aq and war is simply unbridgeable, this was the funniest part of this game, but you killed that too, having said that, and I hope not for you, you will have to prepare for a mass abandonment, under current conditions, are you aware of this? I hope these words make you reflect on the choices you are making. My greetings and sorry for the approximate English, I hope the meaning is clear anyway
It should be 2. That way you show that you earned enough shards to rank up 1 champion trough catalyst and that you got 1 from exploring act 7. It shouldnt be 3, 3 is too much.
I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled People.
Using items does not mean money sack
Grind out units, grind out potions, grind out revives. Everything in the game being able to be completed F2P means it’s absolutely categorically not a money sack.
Definitely a money sack, not everyone can dedicate 8-10 hours a day to a game. Some of us work, have families, have lives for the 10-14 hours we are awake daily. Heavily grinding is still a money sack because every second you spend on game that’s time you could have spent making money.
Even at my heaviest grinding days Would I have spent as much time to clear all content without units and I’m pretty damn good at this game.
You can’t label something a money sack (I.e. forces you to spend) when it categorically does not force you to spend. You have the option to grind them, you have the option to say I don’t want to grind this, I’m going to spend.
That’s up to you and is entirely your right. But it doesn’t give you any semblance of fact to call it a money grab.
Doing half an hour a day of revive grinding, and half an hour of unit grinding adds up over a couple of months. Easily enough to put little effort into preparing for a LoL path or Abyss path. If you’d rather not do that, feel free to spend. But every piece of content in this game can be done for free.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
How are they doing more then me? I do war tier 3, they don’t do “more” then me. Maybe harder but not more. I do map 8 everyday in aq. So how are they doing more? Or are you saying they are spending more? So then you are saying this title is geared towards those spending more then me. Gotcha. Still bs
I'm in tier 12. Why do you get more alliance war rewards than me? You aren't doing more. Maybe harder, but not more.
Why does someone with more experience earn more than someone with none? The rewards for war have always been based on skill level. And yes I guarantee t1 war players do way more. to begin with the war planners in our ally spend hours each war planning out our attack plans. Look up some youtubers that do or have down war planning.
You're absolutely right. That sounds like a very good reason why someone in tier 1 should get more rewards than me in tier 12, even though I might be doing just as many wars and putting in just as much effort. And in fact if they gained more progressional rewards than me, and could advance to higher progression tiers a little faster than me, that would also be completely reasonable.
Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season
I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC
And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)
But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
Then introduced new WAR TITLE 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Taking alliances as factors heavily into deciding the SOLO CONTENT TITLE don't make any sense. This is progression title. It's meant everybody but if the basics are gated behind spending and justification is made on grounds that Players must be in high tier Aq and Aw 😕😕😕😕 if I am not wrong there's difference how player will play 7.4.6 and how one will play AW t3 . I thought the fundamentals were kind of different 🤔🤔 So i have completed Gauntlet,SOP and explored 7.4 but don't have enough material to r3 4 6 star champs cuz I didn't WHALED GIFTING EVENT, I DIDN'T PURCHASED THAT SO SUDDENLY IMPORTANT 7.4 10K UNIT DEAL( "DIDN'T PURCHASED"). So for the solo content I am at 100% but what I lack is Spending and be in 0.1% of player base engaged in ALLIANCE MODES for the PROGRESSION title of solo mode 😶😶😶😶😶 Interesting
You still can't see the point at it amazes me.
There are constant R4 mats if you place in top 45 AQ and that's every 8 days.
There are constant R4 mats in season rewards for Plat 2 and above.
This is why they include AQ and AW in their calculations because those mats are there if you're willing to get them. You don't have to be a whale to have 3 R4's and you don't have to be a big spender in AQ or AW to get 3 R4's, you just have to be willing to put in the work.
Now, a disclaimer for AW, you can't be a scrub player and stay in a high tier war alliance. So yes, you'll need some skill there.
This should not be the standard. It should be two r4 6 stars at most. I'm in a top 20 alliance and we still have 10 guys at least with only 2 r4's. I think you all should reconsider because you're locking out a lot of quality players who spend on the game regularly.
@Kabam Miike Can U pls make atleast 2 r4 6 star’s,not a 3, ita very very hard to get 3 rank 4s for those who dont play arena(qol) and get that 10k units offer ,we are ok with 2 rank 4s but 3 is allready like for f2p players
I don't accept the premise, because the title isn't structured to temporary deals and events. The title is not a temporary title you can only get this month or this year. It is a permanent title that you can get tomorrow, or next month, or next year. Players that join the game in 2025 will be going after that title, long past the point when any of these temporary situations have been completely forgotten.
The title is meant to be aspirational…
See, I agree with you there, but I think I worded it incorrectly. I think my main issue is that there seems to not be a way to get there on release. For all previous progression titles, it was more about the skill (or spending) required to get to that point that existed in the game by doing the permanent content already in game. For those who aspire to get this title on day 1 or even month 1, there’s nothing (bar spending on whatever deals pop up) that could get them there. If we had concrete information on more content and rewards coming down the pipeline from the developers….
This is where I think our opinions differ - It is fine to have a goal title for people to aspire to get, but releasing one that is conditional on something (story content, temporary content, events, battlegrounds, etc) that haven’t happened yet isn’t aspirational, it’s demoralizing.
It gives the impression that if we wanted those titles we *should’ve* spent or done more, not that we *should* spend or do more.
I was in disagreement when there was 6 star rank 3 requirement for thronebreaker but it was 1 and exploring act 6 gave you what was primarily needed which was t5cc. Even when it was announced the so called "top" tier players they had about anywhere from 5-8 6 star rank 3 champs already.
Considering that rn even top tier player only have close to 3-4 6 star rank 4s without gifting bonuses (how funny that it was paid.), How the hell can purchasing the unit deal even be part of the requirements, as well as completed all of carinas challenges which is challenging piece of content thronebreaker in no way required us to beat abyss and it was only preferred because act 6 was made into a toxic piece of content (by guess who???)
Just like thronebreaker those who explored act 7 and got and used the rank 4 gem should have had the ability to become paragon on day at the max changing that 2 if you really want to consider the chapter exploration rewards as extra resources but 3 when you require 6 new catalysts instead of the 1 new catalyst you needed back in the day for thronebreaker how is that fair.
I got a second wind for this game back when summer of pain was announced but this has completely killed all of my motivation.
Thank you Kabam not only did gifting completely ruin the economy of this game this past gifting event but now we are expected to purchase unit deals and beat what is probably the hardest challenge content in the game thank you.
This should not be the standard. It should be two r4 6 stars at most. I'm in a top 20 alliance and we still have 10 guys at least with only 2 r4's. I think you all should reconsider because you're locking out a lot of quality players who spend on the game regularly.
i wouldn't call a door that players who do map 4 and don't do war at all are going to sleep walk through eventually "locked." If they are in a top 20 alliance and spend a lot, not only is that door not locked, it is a screen door with no latch. They just happen to be on the other side of it at the moment.
This should not be the standard. It should be two r4 6 stars at most. I'm in a top 20 alliance and we still have 10 guys at least with only 2 r4's. I think you all should reconsider because you're locking out a lot of quality players who spend on the game regularly.
They aren't locked out, they just won't get it day one. Y'all act like they are removing R4 mats from the game today.
This is an absolute joke. The people that are able to earn this title don’t need the the upgraded items. They are the whales who buy they’re way through the game. Certain free to play content makers have proven you can barely get one more less 3 after completing everything.
I also don’t get the outrage. This title doesn’t grant anything game-changing. Especially for those eligible. There isn’t exclusive content. They’ll get a cav crystal aka a glorified 3star crystal sooner from the calendar? 6hr crystal will be a bit better? So what. Daily crystal will be a bit better? Again so what.
Maybe better deals on holidays? Well you’re free to play so what does that matter?
Everyone thought the whales would break the game especially aq after gifting. Well more r4 materials were released and everything is back to where it was. This title has nowhere near the effect that that had.
Just like when all you could have was 5/65 for about 6months then the flood gates opened for everyone else. Or the first few weeks of thronebreaker.
I just don’t understand the outrage. It’s mostly a flex. One that most consistent players will have in a few months regardless.
As a casual gamer, my only question is if this is a precursor to an updated TB calendar at the very least.
Aside from that I really cannot be bothered with this title, I play too casually for me to even think about it anytime soon. I'll get there when I get there I guess.
After I finish Carina's Challenges (Two left, just waiting on the darn t4cc for my rankups), I will have 2 t6b and 2 t3a. I already have 2 r4s, so I will only need 1 more of each cat, then I can get the title. So long as r4 resources become more available, this really doesn't feel like a big deal. I'd like to get another ____ of Legends that has 3t6b and 3t3a in rewards so FTP players can get Paragon by doing just content without units offers, but it's not that big of a deal either way.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
How are they doing more then me? I do war tier 3, they don’t do “more” then me. Maybe harder but not more. I do map 8 everyday in aq. So how are they doing more? Or are you saying they are spending more? So then you are saying this title is geared towards those spending more then me. Gotcha. Still bs
I'm in tier 12. Why do you get more alliance war rewards than me? You aren't doing more. Maybe harder, but not more.
What? Now you’re being nonsensical. You’re the one that said they do more then me, not the other way around. You want more, ask for more. I wouldn’t shame you for it.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. And some players on the wrong side of the line will always feel wronged (slap in the face territory). But if the line is drawn to far down, I.e. the title is made easier to get. That means too many people, too quickly will get the title and it becomes obsolete too quickly meaning we need a new title even sooner.
People seem to be making the argument “the line should be made just behind me, so I get it day 1 because I deserve it”. When in reality, making something that people can work for and drive towards is something that is actually super beneficial for the game.
Content is no longer the divider between progression titles, so having completed X, Y or Z is no longer enough to separate you and the next player. So by definition, this title is required to be more than 2 rank 4s, which is easily obtainable by doing content.
What would you add onto 2 rank 4s that accurately divides the absolute top of TBs? Prestige? Sig stones would be labelled P2W. Account rating? Ranking and levelling 2-4*s shouldn’t be the difference. Number of 6*s, featured vs basic shouldn’t be the difference for some. Name one thing that really divides the top of TB into a suitable group for the new title? How about the top of the game, AW? How do you split them out? R4 materials.
So a third rank 4 makes the most sense. If anyone wants to challenge this by offering an alternative, be my guest. What additional aspect would you add to 2 rank 4 champions that would be fair, and wouldn’t draw people complaining? Remember that the assumption is that content cannot be a separating factor anymore.
I have an alternative but it wouldn't be applicable for some time but here it is. They could make a requirement of reaching a certain point threshold in battlegrounds. At say Y points. So this way everything is based on individual stats.
This would also divide the TB as the fresh TB accounts would be smaller so very unlikely of reaching X goal and gets them to widen there rosters over time. Also makes top of TB get this requirement easier but still will be a challenge for some.
I know there are probably some very good counter points which i would love to hear.
Looks like you were waiting for everything to line up in order to release this title. And now that you though the calculations were right and that now was the time, you announce it right away.
The calculations are wrong, and the initial premise of making the title available without buying offers has been immediately torn apart.
So now, what? Since this title is, supposely, getting introduced in a way that you did not want it to be introduced (going against the requirements you've set up before wanting to release it), what will happen?
Will it be delayed? Will it's requirements be lowered to match the correct calculations? Or will you simply not do anything and release it either way, and give the "screw it now" treatment to the initial premise that you've set up at the very beginning?
Why don't you guys finish adding the features that were meant to be added for thronebreaker? It's been almost 18 months and we still haven't heard anything about the new gold crystal and daily objectives
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
"Raising the difficulty for next progression level" that's not what the player wants and " locking the title behind 3 r4 requirements" that's what players want? Well thats true if your target population is P2W.
"Roster strength is better indicator now" that line clearly disrespect "skills req" in here cause that doesn't matter anymore apparently at least for getting progression titles.
Why must u do this Kabam. 3 rank fours there's no way you can expect f2p players to be at that level. Not everyone can spend $50k on gifting event my god. Throw us a bone or something. Also, who in their right mind bought the 7.4 offer that was horrible value for 10k units. It's sad to see u so out of touch from such a large portion of the playerbase
Bottom line is no matter how they set the bar, someone is going to be offended. This isn't something that a great number of people are meant to have the day it comes out. It was the same for Thronebreaker.
I wouldn’t call myself an amazing player by any means but I beat the entirety of act 7 without a R3 6* and F2P. I don’t know how to say this but I feel like my efforts should be rewarded than how many champions I have at the highest rank
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Kabam what are you doing? Have you really decided to kill ftps? All the choices starting from Christmas seem to go in that direction, from the possibility of buying all those resources in the gift event up to the potions for war to buy with loyalty, and we know well that at present it translates into unity…. Now propose a new title, which will give a further advantage to those who spend money, an advantage that is unfairly unbridgeable at present for 90% of players…. And I bet that during the spring offers you can close the gap with money ... I love this game, I love how alliance wars are conceived, I started 6 years ago, but at this point I abandon, the reason is simple, not there is more hope of being able to play from ftp ... .. the advantage in aq and war is simply unbridgeable, this was the funniest part of this game, but you killed that too, having said that, and I hope not for you, you will have to prepare for a mass abandonment, under current conditions, are you aware of this?
I hope these words make you reflect on the choices you are making. My greetings and sorry for the approximate English, I hope the meaning is clear anyway
That’s up to you and is entirely your right. But it doesn’t give you any semblance of fact to call it a money grab.
Doing half an hour a day of revive grinding, and half an hour of unit grinding adds up over a couple of months. Easily enough to put little effort into preparing for a LoL path or Abyss path. If you’d rather not do that, feel free to spend. But every piece of content in this game can be done for free.
Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.
There are constant R4 mats if you place in top 45 AQ and that's every 8 days.
There are constant R4 mats in season rewards for Plat 2 and above.
This is why they include AQ and AW in their calculations because those mats are there if you're willing to get them. You don't have to be a whale to have 3 R4's and you don't have to be a big spender in AQ or AW to get 3 R4's, you just have to be willing to put in the work.
Now, a disclaimer for AW, you can't be a scrub player and stay in a high tier war alliance. So yes, you'll need some skill there.
This is where I think our opinions differ - It is fine to have a goal title for people to aspire to get, but releasing one that is conditional on something (story content, temporary content, events, battlegrounds, etc) that haven’t happened yet isn’t aspirational, it’s demoralizing.
It gives the impression that if we wanted those titles we *should’ve* spent or done more, not that we *should* spend or do more.
Considering that rn even top tier player only have close to 3-4 6 star rank 4s without gifting bonuses (how funny that it was paid.), How the hell can purchasing the unit deal even be part of the requirements, as well as completed all of carinas challenges which is challenging piece of content thronebreaker in no way required us to beat abyss and it was only preferred because act 6 was made into a toxic piece of content (by guess who???)
Just like thronebreaker those who explored act 7 and got and used the rank 4 gem should have had the ability to become paragon on day at the max changing that 2 if you really want to consider the chapter exploration rewards as extra resources but 3 when you require 6 new catalysts instead of the 1 new catalyst you needed back in the day for thronebreaker how is that fair.
I got a second wind for this game back when summer of pain was announced but this has completely killed all of my motivation.
Thank you Kabam not only did gifting completely ruin the economy of this game this past gifting event but now we are expected to purchase unit deals and beat what is probably the hardest challenge content in the game thank you.
Maybe better deals on holidays? Well you’re free to play so what does that matter?
Everyone thought the whales would break the game especially aq after gifting. Well more r4 materials were released and everything is back to where it was. This title has nowhere near the effect that that had.
Just like when all you could have was 5/65 for about 6months then the flood gates opened for everyone else. Or the first few weeks of thronebreaker.
I just don’t understand the outrage. It’s mostly a flex. One that most consistent players will have in a few months regardless.
Aside from that I really cannot be bothered with this title, I play too casually for me to even think about it anytime soon. I'll get there when I get there I guess.
This would also divide the TB as the fresh TB accounts would be smaller so very unlikely of reaching X goal and gets them to widen there rosters over time. Also makes top of TB get this requirement easier but still will be a challenge for some.
I know there are probably some very good counter points which i would love to hear.
The calculations are wrong, and the initial premise of making the title available without buying offers has been immediately torn apart.
So now, what? Since this title is, supposely, getting introduced in a way that you did not want it to be introduced (going against the requirements you've set up before wanting to release it), what will happen?
Will it be delayed?
Will it's requirements be lowered to match the correct calculations?
Or will you simply not do anything and release it either way, and give the "screw it now" treatment to the initial premise that you've set up at the very beginning?
Well thats true if your target population is P2W.
"Roster strength is better indicator now" that line clearly disrespect "skills req" in here cause that doesn't matter anymore apparently at least for getting progression titles.