Battlegrounds Season 4 Meta [MERGED THREADS]

Moosetiptronic · January 2023

Some defe

MarvelSPMAN14 said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.

That's rubbish. "Vets" I.e. paragons, get matched against paragons, even in bronze III. In victory track, you uncollected and cav players are still (unfairly in my view) only being matched by prestige.

You're not matching my r4 & r3 with 3 r2 deck.

So if you're losing, it's not that they are "vets".

MarvelSPMAN14 · January 2023

Moosetiptronic said:
Some defe
MarvelSPMAN14 said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.

That's rubbish. "Vets" I.e. paragons, get matched against paragons, even in bronze III. In victory track, you uncollected and cav players are still (unfairly in my view) only being matched by prestige.

You're not matching my r4 & r3 with 3 r2 deck.

So if you're losing, it's not that they are "vets".

First I don’t think kabam has ever stated that it’s based off Prestige and second I have matched up with Thronebreaker almost Paragon Players while being still fresh to Cav in 6.2

Kabam Miike · January 2023

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
The words may have been different, but in the past Kabam has talked about encouraging people to play battlegrounds. That sounds like low participation to me. Kind of like saying “we’ve had more people play it than ever before”.

Don’t take my word for it though. One look around here, social media, and all of the big Line chats paint a pretty clear picture of disappointment. I know you don’t care that majority of your players dislike this round, but less time in game is less revenue for the bean counters.

This is twisting those words. We've never had a participation problem with Battlegrounds before. We try to "encourage players" to play in lots of modes. We say that all the time.

We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely, but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).

ItsDamien · January 2023

Kabam Miike said:

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
The words may have been different, but in the past Kabam has talked about encouraging people to play battlegrounds. That sounds like low participation to me. Kind of like saying “we’ve had more people play it than ever before”.

Don’t take my word for it though. One look around here, social media, and all of the big Line chats paint a pretty clear picture of disappointment. I know you don’t care that majority of your players dislike this round, but less time in game is less revenue for the bean counters.
This is twisting those words. We've never had a participation problem with Battlegrounds before. We try to "encourage players" to play in lots of modes. We say that all the time.

We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely., but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).

Even as an “experienced” player (whatever those words mean in a vague context) I think this meta sucks. The few matches I’ve played even with the “right” champs, have not been fun. This is an easy pass this season, regardless of rewards. The incentive is not worth the aggravation.

Bulmkt · January 2023

Basically you need power burn immune attackers or attackers who can remove the armour up buff ASAP.
Just use defenders who start off with an armour up. Unless the opponent has an immediate counter you’ll probably win.

Whilst I get the buff…it is rather niche and if players just pause to try and win it’s going to make for a boring BG season.

tntsl · January 2023

NearJr said:

Pungapoo said:

NearJr said:
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FiiNCH said:

Manup456 said:
@FiiNCH you know the player base is large and everyone wants to compete in BG but doing stuff like making seasons champ or class specific is a bad idea when players are busting they butt to get resources to rank champs that can actually be used in most of the other content? Do you think everyone has a huge selection of champs? I’m actually in a different position because I have the champs and materials but how about my alliance mates who don’t and others who don’t, they don’t count and shouldn’t me upset?
You do realise that the majority of the counters to these nodes are considered good/great champs..

Galan
Hulkling
Doom
Tigra
BWCV
Hood
Valkyrie
Medusa
Falcon
AA
Hulkbuster
Titania
Namor

Your argument is just lazy. People either haven’t prepared, or aren’t choosing the right counters.
I have been playing the game 5 years and have a fairly deep roster and I have only 5 of the champs you listed ranked up. And those 5 are 5* champs who are nearly worthless in BG. I have only 2 of those champs as 6* and they aren't ranked up because they are unawakened and I have maxed 5* versions already.
Your argument is also lazy. Many people simply don't have rosters deep enough to be competitive in this BG.
If Kabam wants BG to be a popular game mode, and according to the last survey they sent they clearly do, then they shouldn't use nodes that much of the player base will hate.

Ceder · January 2023

PLEASE CHANGE THE NODE FOR THIS SEASON KABAM😭

Dukenpuke · January 2023

I have a slightly different take.

I'm a casual battlegrounds player, and will gladly play a few rounds every few days to get the milestone rewards. However, I'm not going to waste resources to rank up champs specifically for this mode, and I'm not going to play a dozen rounds to try and squeeze out one or two wins to get the milestone.

To be clear, I'm not complaining about the meta or criticizing Kabam for making it this way. I get that the mode is intended to encourage you to rank up otherwise less-than-useful champs in order to excel at BGs. However, if the result is that I die from power burn every match because I don't have the relevant champs, I'm just not going to play it again, which is perfectly fine. There's plenty of other stuff I can do.

zuffy · January 2023

I have a r3 terrax that deal armor break but still only manage about 12% against super skrull before dying from the power burn. I score about 3200 points. 😂

Luckily for me, I have a galan that destroy colossus. This meta is just horrible.

AMS94 · January 2023

Kabam Miike said:

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?
That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?
The words may have been different, but in the past Kabam has talked about encouraging people to play battlegrounds. That sounds like low participation to me. Kind of like saying “we’ve had more people play it than ever before”.

Don’t take my word for it though. One look around here, social media, and all of the big Line chats paint a pretty clear picture of disappointment. I know you don’t care that majority of your players dislike this round, but less time in game is less revenue for the bean counters.
This is twisting those words. We've never had a participation problem with Battlegrounds before. We try to "encourage players" to play in lots of modes. We say that all the time.

We also didn't say we're ignoring feedback. In fact, we've been watching it pretty closely, but we're also watching our data and how players are actually putting up with it over time. Again, just like every season, more experienced players have an easier time at the beginning of the season (which is a different problem that needs to be solved).

I am one of those "experienced" player & I could tell this meta sucks when the season info was announced
U guys are doing the same mistakes with BG that u did while designing Act 6....making it too much restrictive
And with BGs it's even more punishing IMO

Ken1378 · January 2023

Yeah, they are pretty limiting and frustrating nodes. In a pretty frustrating game mode already. I’m sure some of the top players are enjoying the challenge and using some different champs, but I’m definitely not enjoying it so far.

MarvelSPMAN14 · January 2023

Topgunrules said:

MarvelSPMAN14 said:

Topgunrules said:
Bruh. It’s your fault for not being good at the game. Don’t people realize that this meta has lots of counters? Lmao
I put the i suck so I wouldn’t get crybabies like you some are just tough to shake 🤷🏽‍♂️
You said that you are bad. If you say that your skill is bad then wouldn't your opinion on the meta not count as much? Every meta would theoretically be hard for you.

Why do you keep replying with messages with passive aggression calm down why are you so pressed

MarvelSPMAN14 · January 2023

Ken1378 said:
Yeah, they are pretty limiting and frustrating nodes. In a pretty frustrating game mode already. I’m sure some of the top players are enjoying the challenge and using some different champs, but I’m definitely not enjoying it so far.

Top players are seemingly enjoying this a little too much because whenever someone says they don’t like it they respond with these passively aggressive messages basically saying get good or shut up

Ironman3000 · January 2023

God I friggin HATE the matchmaking. Matching vs title only is GARBAGE.

Manup456 · January 2023

@MarvelSPMAN14 Sorry bro, they had a thread they could have merged this conversation into that was more active and they picked this one. I’m not gonna say why I believe that was done. Again sorry people are gonna try and roast you now but know this is not even a skill issue it’s more than that.

Greekhit · January 2023

Ironman3000 said:
God I friggin HATE the matchmaking. Matching vs title only is GARBAGE.

Imagine being Uncollected 🙂
Already at Gladiator Circuit 😉
Paragons sweat each other at Victory Track 😂
Prestige matchmaking bs 😠

Ironman3000 · January 2023

GoingBack said:
Yes, the new nodes are horrible and limit the champ selection a bit too much. I have most of the needed champs, but it still is a bit more up to RNG than normal to get the right champs.

Part of the issue is also matchmaking. My baby account is 3 tiers ahead of my main which is ridiculous as the account sucks. In a mode that has tiered based rewards, you need to be able to match with anyone within that tier. Either that or you need to not lose your progress with each loss.

I have had friendly matches with people in my alliance that are in Plat already while I just got to silver. The matches haven’t even been close, I think this is something to think about as they continue to make adjustments.

Matchmaking is an absolute disgrace.

Skydad23 · January 2023

Stupidest **** ever they have to suck the fun out of everything! For the 1% of people that enjoy this because it infuriates the rest of the community. No one cares what you think.

xTURKISHx · January 2023

Even worse is when you finally do come close to winning or you are doing good the game freezes you or lets the defender break right thru your block... really is laughable.

Malchaeis · January 2023

I'm gonna give this season a chance. It is more roster based this season. Whoever has more diversity in champs and ranks of said champs will have the advantage more times than not. This season feels more like a game of chance than relying on your skills as a player. I believe that is what is upsetting people the most. Knowing you have the roster and champs to win but not getting the right counters. I could be wrong. It still is day one. Let's see how this shakes out.

Mcoc_Play3r · January 2023

This meta is bullish! You guys literally turn the best mode of the game into the worst. Not sure how you did it but congratulations to kabam again! Not!!!!

Feeney234 · January 2023

NikoBravo said:
Guess you need Galan

Hes gotten banned literally every single match so 🤷‍♂️

Lpoo · January 2023

Huzzah!!

BigBuster · January 2023

I'm a very early Paragon (3 r4's and 9 r3's) with a pretty slacking roster. I've still managed to win almost every match, some against much bigger accounts. Seems like this meta is weeding out the players that actually understand the game/node interactions vs those that just use Hercules + revives for everything.
There's a ton of ways to work around the node (AA reduction, armor break, nullify/stagger/fateseal/neutralize, power burn immune, damage immune/reflect, Valkryie/Masacre) AND if you see a hard defender/attacker that you don't have you can just ban the champ (ex. I always ban Hulkling cuz he's really good for the meta).

Jefechuta · January 2023

I think this meta should be changed as soon as possible, when the Victory Tracks turns into "Who did worse" instead of "Who did better" then its time to think about doing something to the meta.

This doesnt change how you play, this changes what champs do you play, what makes more important the champions you take to BG than your skills.

And I say this having a pretty decent champions for this meta, but its just not funny. This is a perfect meta for GC, its just perfect, but Victory Track? Nah man, you are going to make people drop BG before even reaching the "hard" part of this mode.

Personally Im just going to do only BGs for the Solo Event Quests unless Kabam changes the nodes.

Ansh_A · January 2023

Can we please add a heavy attack to remove chitin charge option? If that gets added, at least the skill component goes up. There are some match ups that are impossible. No one wants to face Colossus, Nimrod etc. who gain multiple armor ups and then some more with the chitin charge.

Jefechuta · January 2023

Lpoo said:

Huzzah!!

Matches shouldnt be like that in Victory Track, that just showcases that they should change the meta right now

Battlegrounds Season 4 Meta [MERGED THREADS]

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