My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
You’re still missing the whole point; I rank 5’d 4*s instead of r3ing 5*s because I’d never r4 the 5* version. They’re now useless in act 6. The resources, gone. Synergies, many people r5’d 5*s with the assumption that they could use 4*s to fill their synergy. Completely rng dependent. No reason to think different or warning to the contrary. And finally, there are skilled people out there that can do the content with 4*s because their 5* luck is terrible. It’s complete bs that they’re now excluded.
All these reasons are perfectly valid yet it’s like you don’t read or comprehend any of these arguments which have been repeated ad nauseam.
If you've been around that long, then you should know people cry "Money pit!" with every decision they don't like.
I actually agree with just about all of this... accept sometimes those people crying are justified and right... all im saying but good luck to you I still look forward to hoping in act 6 on Wednesday either way because I've built my roster to the best of my abilities based on non spending habits and rng and a ton of patience... still a absolute shame we can't bring 4*s but hey... this is kabam we're talking about here... LET THE WHALE MILKING COMMENCE!😆
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
well then your viewpoint is coming from a different perspective as you would be classed as a spender. Is it safe to say you have spent money on boosts, revives and potions to help clear difficult content before ?
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
My Roster is fair. I wouldn't say I'm balling, but I have a number of Champs I can use. Some more than others. The amount I've spent is in the thousands as I've been around for over 3 years, but none of that really went to my 5* Roster, not much anyway. 4*s are not obsolete. You just can't use them in 6.1. Nor would it be reasonable to assume you would be able to tackle any and all new content with them. The whole business of saying that 4*s will still be viable is out of context. When they introduced 6*s, the fear was that 4*s would become useless. At that time, it was mentioned that they would still be viable. NOWHERE did they say they would work for every piece of new content released, and not once was it implied that they would be able to carry you through Act 6. The days of taking a 2* SW into ROL are over. For quite some time now. As for whether I believe it's reasonable or not, it's pretty moot either way because the decision is not mine to make, and it's already been made. From a logical standpoint, I understand the purpose of roadblocks such as this, and I understand some reasons as to why blocking 4*s makes sense to their objectives. What really makes it reasonable for me is the level of progression that people are at by the time this is an issue for them. They have enough 5*s to do it. So, they don't have all the best utility ones, so what? Thousands of Players make their way through content all the time using the best they can, which isn't always the best option. They get through it. It's also not going anywhere, so if people want to wait for better options, that's entirely up to them. If they don't have patience, that might be a problem. It doesn't mean they have to run out and spend like mad, and it doesn't mean they can't try with what they have. Overreaction is what it is. It hasn't even gone live yet, people haven't even seen what they need to get through it, and already it's somehow the end of their Rosters. Something that happens often here. People think in absolutes. God Tier/useless, 4*s for everything/nothing at all, have everything you need/will never get through it. It's not that black-and-white. All it means is, we will be taking 5 and 6*s into it. That's it. I see it reasonable because there are many other possibilities and options, and I see it a great deal less reasonable to expect a 4* to be the best option for the duration of the game, for any and all future content. There's no such thing as an indefinite option in this game.
well then your viewpoint is coming from a different perspective as you would be classed as a spender. Is it safe to say you have spent money on boosts, revives and potions to help clear difficult content before ?
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
There's an entire game outside of Act 6 that you can use 4*s on. It's one aspect of the game. Not being able to use 4*s in it does not make it obsolete. Nor does it mean they're phasing them out. It just means within Storymode, you can't rely on them up to a certain point. I'm sorry, but the whole idea of it being money-oriented is just plain old conjecture, and the only thing it's based on is the fact that one way you can acquire Champs is by spending. That's not the only way, it isn't even the main way, or the focus of the game. You get them through playing the game. There are a number of sources for Shards, and those sources increase periodically. All this emphasis on Ranking the "right" Champs is pretty blind to the use of others. Granted, there are some that can't do much of anything, I won't argue that. However, if you're expecting to take an R5 4* into Act 6, you can do the same with an R3 5*, and that doesn't take much in terms of Resources at all. That argument isn't sound with me. You don't have to spend to do anything. All money does is speed up the process. However, if you're trying to convince me that out of a pool of 48, there's nothing that can be used for Act 6, I'm afraid that's not even statistically sound with me.
So, there’s literally never been any restriction on champs for story mode, and with a week notice, they remove 80-90% of rosters from participation? Even if you want to look at 5/50 and higher champs, for many players, more than half their eligible champs are gone.
Tbh the ban isn’t a big deal. I don’t see anyone making noise about having to have wasted resources on their 3*s. 😂
The ban is a big deal. Especially for someone like me who managed to complete act 5 largely due to my GR(4*) + Blade synergy, my 4* Loki that wrecked Act 5 Ultron & 4* SL that swept through RoL. 4*s are still very viable for end game content as it stands.
Lol you won’t wanna bring 4*s into A6 really.. the only use for them there is synergy. And it sounds like your roster isn’t developed enough yet.
Have you completed, or explored, A5? It makes a lot of difference.
I 100% act 5 with just 4* I can guarantee I’d be able to use them for non synergy purposes
You’re a fresh Level 60 with 1 R5. A6 isn’t made for you.
Are you looking at the pi of the champs 30k is easy so why isn’t it made for me enlighten me
The fact that you’re complaining about it coupled with your account just says that you don’t have the roster depth for it.
The fact is I’d have the skill to do it but due to not having the 4* I’m lacking a lot of the niche counters that’s my point
Then wait for the champs. Tbh your account is underdeveloped even compared to both my secondary accounts, both of which also 100% A5 with 4*s.
In addition you’re not even in a competitive alliance (1.45k war rating). I don’t see why you cannot wait and develop your account more before even commenting on content that’s obviously not designed for you.
I could be in a higher ally if I wanted I’ve gotten offers from plat ally’s and “content that is not designed for you” I was accused of being a modder for doing act 5 100% so early so I’m pretty sure I’m ready for act 6
Nothing I’ve seen from the team dissuades me that the game team is tired of making content only to see (1) certain, select and readily available 3/4*’s wreck it or (2) certain 5/6* champs at the top of the power curve wreck it with the help of synergies from low-rarity champs.
That’s what all of Kabam Goggy’s “tightly constructed” gobbledygook was about.
What will be fun is seeing how much everyone likes it when Cavalier difficulty becomes the new UC with all the juicy treats. Playing (and spending) for years but being artificially gated from content may be just enough to turn the addicts back into discerning customers.
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100% agree This is exactly the same thing i think as one of the drivers for this restriction. Which seems clear also by the fact by the number of paths in each quest and the energy required compared to act 5
Act 5.1. required a total of 2184 Act 6.1. will require 3600 energy
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
Seems like that new kabam mod stirred up a hornets nest with this info..I know business comes first and they gotta keep the game going in different directions to maintain the difficulty of the game and keep it going for years to come, I believe the change discussion was a little out of the blue and shocking to most if all players of the game including me...maybe if the gave players a heads up about the change a month or a few weeks before it would happen it might of given players time to build what they need/ build of resources and not wasting them on 4* anymore. As we all know some resources are hard to come by and I can see why some are upset...as well as endgame play 4* had no problem in getting the job done...kinda stinks that 4* can’t be used now. They could of made some happy medium for the gamers before the out of the blues news...can’t please everyone but it could of been ran through the community to see what and how players of the game think about it before dropping a bomb and having a angry, mad mob go ape **** and rattle the community fourms with non stop WTF reply’s. I’m certain they probably demoted the mod that drop the news...because after reading the changes it really didn’t make sense to me and I’m sure a lot of others feel the same way.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
You’re obviously not interjecting with common sense. You’re spouting bs excuses and clogging this thread like you do every single thread negative to Kabam. And you can’t stop.
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
I think pretty much all of your posts are irrelevant here if you aren't into the endgame (or at least, yknow, Act 5). I'm pretty sure experiences can make your opinion, so, if you don't have those experiences, basically everything you say doesn't matter lol.
Except that no-one else has any experience of Act 6 either, so your argument is invalid...
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
You’re obviously not interjecting with common sense. You’re spouting bs excuses and clogging this thread like you do every single thread negative to Kabam. And you can’t stop.
Pretty much every comment I've made on the subject is logical and sensical. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's nonsense. It's just not what you want to hear. Tell me, what's the value of the comments you're making about me, and what does that add to the conversation?
@GroundedWisdom I'd just LOVE to see your 5* and 6* roster, since you're okay with this change.
He just became uncollected. His focus is arena. Anything concerning act 6 is irrelevant to him. He’s just the biggest Kabam apologist to ever grace the forum.
You do not speak for me, and you do not speak to what is and is not relevant to me. It's relevant to anyone that hasn't done it yet. I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done. I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.
I think pretty much all of your posts are irrelevant here if you aren't into the endgame (or at least, yknow, Act 5). I'm pretty sure experiences can make your opinion, so, if you don't have those experiences, basically everything you say doesn't matter lol.
It's a discussion, and anyone can comment. I'm "into Act 5". Thanks for your feedback, though.
@GroundedWisdom ....bro, I’d just stay off the subject and continue on with your day, i know you might have a lot of knowledge of the game and the inside scoop most of the time but what’s the point in trying to smooth things out when there’s beef between the community and kabam? I mean you didn’t make the change and set the rules forth...peoples going to think what they want no matter how much explaining is done...you just gotta let it be. I appreciate your work in helping the community out and trying to keep peace amongst us all but certain things are out of your control, let the ones that get a paycheck from kabam do the heavy lifting...no need to put your head on a chopping block...especially if your not getting paid, your taking someone’s job away that get paid to reply to situations like this...don’t let them get a paycheck for doing nothing. Now if you just like to hang out all day and night and post in the fourms I guess that’s cool and can understand that...this is a subject that is very delicate and needs a kabam employee to address.
@GroundedWisdom ....bro, I’d just stay off the subject and continue on with your day, i know you might have a lot of knowledge of the game and the inside scoop most of the time but what’s the point in trying to smooth things out when there’s beef between the community and kabam? I mean you didn’t make the change and set the rules forth...peoples going to think what they want no matter how much explaining is done...you just gotta let it be. I appreciate your work in helping the community out and trying to keep peace amongst us all but certain things are out of your control, let the ones that get a paycheck from kabam do the heavy lifting...no need to put your head on a chopping block...especially if your not getting paid, your taking someone’s job away that get paid to reply to situations like this...don’t let them get a paycheck for doing nothing. Now if you just like to hang out all day and night and post in the fourms I guess that’s cool and can understand that...this is a subject that is very delicate and needs a kabam employee to address.
I was having conversations about the topic. I'm not trying to smooth anything over. Now, when someone addresses me with points, I will counter that with my own thoughts. That's just how it works. Trust me, I'm not responsible for smoothing anything over. That doesn't mean I need to agree when someone comes to me with illogical responses. It's just unfortunate that some can't have a debate without turning it into a personal slingfest.
@GroundedWisdom it’s cool man, just trying to help...this really isn’t a place to have debates though there’s nothing to gain...except more writing and posting...I can understand if your trying to make it to 14000 post, man..that must take some time...it’s like a high score holder in pac-man. LOL.
@GroundedWisdom just from my side it seems reading your post your more of a peace keeper...reading back there’s never any harsh words, there’s gotta be something you don’t like...
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Synergies, many people r5’d 5*s with the assumption that they could use 4*s to fill their synergy. Completely rng dependent. No reason to think different or warning to the contrary.
And finally, there are skilled people out there that can do the content with 4*s because their 5* luck is terrible. It’s complete bs that they’re now excluded.
All these reasons are perfectly valid yet it’s like you don’t read or comprehend any of these arguments which have been repeated ad nauseam.
Well actually what this means is yeah 4* are Obsolete. If you shift your focus to now meeting the requirements of Act 6 why would we ever end up going back.
In terms of viability people are proving every day that skilled players can tackle the content with 4*.
well their objectives with this roadblock is pretty much money orientated. I imagine with the release of all these top tier 5* FGMC they planning they are hoping for people to jump at the chances of these.
Also i have to disagree to some extent on the average players progression upon reaching act 6. New players wont have as much of an issue as from a early point they will begin to phase out 4* a lot quicker and plan for it. Because resources are scarce people are very reluctant to take up 5* past r3 and also they are waiting for that dupe. Hell even rewards from act5 are 4* focused to a degree with the 2 4* 4-5 gems and 4 star crystal. Also variant also pushed people down the route of promoting the use of 4* to tackle all the different nodes if they didn't have a 5* that could do it but had the 4* version as a maxed out 4* is as good as a r3 5* and that is enough. Like i said out of the 48 5* i have only 6 of them are at r4 or above. One reason is i don't have resources to promote that often.
I'm sorry, but the whole idea of it being money-oriented is just plain old conjecture, and the only thing it's based on is the fact that one way you can acquire Champs is by spending. That's not the only way, it isn't even the main way, or the focus of the game. You get them through playing the game. There are a number of sources for Shards, and those sources increase periodically.
All this emphasis on Ranking the "right" Champs is pretty blind to the use of others. Granted, there are some that can't do much of anything, I won't argue that. However, if you're expecting to take an R5 4* into Act 6, you can do the same with an R3 5*, and that doesn't take much in terms of Resources at all. That argument isn't sound with me.
You don't have to spend to do anything. All money does is speed up the process. However, if you're trying to convince me that out of a pool of 48, there's nothing that can be used for Act 6, I'm afraid that's not even statistically sound with me.
This is exactly the same thing i think as one of the drivers for this restriction. Which seems clear also by the fact by the number of paths in each quest and the energy required compared to act 5
Act 5.1. required a total of 2184
Act 6.1. will require 3600 energy
I haven't "just" become Uncollected. It's been a number of months now. Regardless, we're having a discussion about Act 6. Not me or what I have and have not done.
I make no apologies for anyone. I'm not representative of them to do so. I will however, interject with common sense regardless of whether people like to hear it or not. Otherwise this place just fills with emotional outbursts and no logic is here.