Corvus can still damage ebony maw with his first light attack only, you'll never beat him in 3 minutes in war but you can beat him eventually elsewhere...
I have a 6 star corvus and honestly he needed a big counter like this, he's probably the most popular champ to bring to war now and no one character should be able to Power through almost every fight with minimal effort! If any thing Maw seems to be more of a deterrent than just a counter!
Just means you'll have to use someone other than corvus if you come across a Mystic in war or take the risk... Maw has plenty of counters!
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
The "trick" is not a trick at all. It's a Champ that counters Corvus, and Corvus is not the be-all-end-all of the game. Would we be having this discussion if it was someone that countered KK, or Rhino? No. People wouldn't care as much. It's one Champ, among 120+. However, people are using that Champ in most Attack Teams. I can tell you, yes. As long as there are trends like that, they will introduce ways to balance the game out. If there's anything we've learned with 12.0, it's that having certain Champs dominate the game indefinitely is not the direction we are going here. The whole subject is being blown out of proportion just because people use Corvus almost exclusively on their Attack Team. "Think of what they'll do next!" is just an exaggeration. I can guarantee they will do things next. They will balance the game in ways they see fit because the last thing they intend on doing is losing control of their own content again. One or two Champs in a sea of others is not the be-all-end-all.
KK and Rhino wont impact us and thats kabams fault for not making them useful. Not the players fault for not using them. Balancing the game has to be done the right way. I wont talk about AW or Arena but talking about a simple EQ shows that a champion of even lower rarity is designed in such a way that it totally counters a champion of much higher rarity.
6* R2 Corvus CAN die to a 3* Maw in EQ. That interaction is absurd. A 6* R2 MS dying to a 5* Torch is understandable as you do not have the damage to dish out before the nova flames kick in. That is balance.
Balance isnt something where a 3* can counter a 6* champion either. So if you are talking about Balance, talk from both perspectives
Wait a second, so it's a non-issue if it doesn't affect you? Wasn't the basis of the argument that it shouldn't happen?
Right here the argument is about balance. And this still isn't happening to me. I dont use Corvus at all even though I have him at 4/55. I dont have fun with him. It still doesnt affect me yet here we are. So the basis of the argument is still there.
Countering a champion is different, negating all of the damage is another thing. And when Kabam introduces a counter of such an interaction to KK or Rhino, you can pick up the argument.
Here's the bottom line. Nothing guarantees that all Champs will be useful against all Champs. It's not unreasonable with the sheer number of options we have. There's 120+, no idea how many in existence. Which means only two options are not viable. That's not unreasonable. The sooner people realize that there's no such thing as a Champ that can plow through everything forever, the sooner we don't have to keep having this same conversation when something is introduced that balances. It's a big game, with many Champs, more added every month. NOTHING, and I mean nothing, stays the same forever.
I only have Corvus as a 3* and has yet to use him in quest at all. Reading his abilities:
When Knocked Down: Corvus’ blade is damaged if Corvus is Knocked Down by a Heavy or Special Attack, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 3 seconds.
Corvus’ blade is damaged after he uses all of his Glaive charges, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 50 seconds. Corvus cannot inflict Critical Hits while Glaive’s Immunity is disabled.
So, no crit hits means Maw can take damage?
Does it makes sense to take a heavy and then strike back during the cool down window?
You would need to wat like 6 heavies and counter combo right after to get the sustained non crit of glaives being down.
Doesnt seem viable in war. That said just dont bring corvus for every fight is viable
Lol, you must play in Tier 10 if you Think taking multiple heavies in war might be viable
You must not read too well.
Doesnt seem viable in war. Clear as day words I used and you respond telling me.its not viable?
That's what I said.
Work on reading and come back to me
Entertaining a possibility instead of auto-concluding that this is a ridiculous, preposterous idea shows your war rating. Don’t nag my reading bro, you are analyzing taking 6 heavies to get some non-critical hits😂😂😂
I detailed a response to the question instead of disregarding it like a pompous d bag. Who thinks hes high on himself..
Your corvus cant beat 1 guy might as well sell your acct since you cant play without your God crutch
Copy/paste: You are missing my point. If 2 champs at the same PI are fighting, neither one should be an auto-win... even if there are a million champs to choose from.
Wait ... you are explaining that it will be auto-loss even in Arena?
Yes! Corvus’ 1st light is the only hit, all other hits are misses, and since they miss they don’t spend charges.
I just did an autofight, 3* max awakened Corvus versus Ebony Maw in Chapter 3 beginner difficulties. Wow .. wow ... wow ...
What @GroundedWisdom fails or refuses to see, is that this sets a precedent. Let’s say this ‘trick’ is going to be repeated a few times. And let’s assume it just happens to be repeated for the champs people use mainly in AW offense. By placing a defensive line that specifically and fully counters popular attackers - some of whom are needed to beat specific nodes, like 29 - a lot of players are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
The "trick" is not a trick at all. It's a Champ that counters Corvus, and Corvus is not the be-all-end-all of the game. Would we be having this discussion if it was someone that countered KK, or Rhino? No. People wouldn't care as much. It's one Champ, among 120+. However, people are using that Champ in most Attack Teams. I can tell you, yes. As long as there are trends like that, they will introduce ways to balance the game out. If there's anything we've learned with 12.0, it's that having certain Champs dominate the game indefinitely is not the direction we are going here. The whole subject is being blown out of proportion just because people use Corvus almost exclusively on their Attack Team. "Think of what they'll do next!" is just an exaggeration. I can guarantee they will do things next. They will balance the game in ways they see fit because the last thing they intend on doing is losing control of their own content again. One or two Champs in a sea of others is not the be-all-end-all.
KK and Rhino wont impact us and thats kabams fault for not making them useful. Not the players fault for not using them. Balancing the game has to be done the right way. I wont talk about AW or Arena but talking about a simple EQ shows that a champion of even lower rarity is designed in such a way that it totally counters a champion of much higher rarity.
6* R2 Corvus CAN die to a 3* Maw in EQ. That interaction is absurd. A 6* R2 MS dying to a 5* Torch is understandable as you do not have the damage to dish out before the nova flames kick in. That is balance.
Balance isnt something where a 3* can counter a 6* champion either. So if you are talking about Balance, talk from both perspectives
Wait a second, so it's a non-issue if it doesn't affect you? Wasn't the basis of the argument that it shouldn't happen?
Right here the argument is about balance. And this still isn't happening to me. I dont use Corvus at all even though I have him at 4/55. I dont have fun with him. It still doesnt affect me yet here we are. So the basis of the argument is still there.
Countering a champion is different, negating all of the damage is another thing. And when Kabam introduces a counter of such an interaction to KK or Rhino, you can pick up the argument.
Here's the bottom line. Nothing guarantees that all Champs will be useful against all Champs. It's not unreasonable with the sheer number of options we have. There's 120+, no idea how many in existence. Which means only two options are not viable. That's not unreasonable. The sooner people realize that there's no such thing as a Champ that can plow through everything forever, the sooner we don't have to keep having this same conversation when something is introduced that balances. It's a big game, with many Champs, more added every month. NOTHING, and I mean nothing, stays the same forever.
Balance has to be done right.
120+ or 1000+ champs. One Champ or 2 Champs. Counters and Crippling are completely different things. Countering 1 aspect of a champion is fine. Sinister is a great counter. Crippling them (like Maw) is another.
NOBODY will use Corvus for everything. I also dont use ghost for everything. The point is that 'Balancing' hasn't been done right. Ofcourse I do not expect Kabam to own up to this and change. There is NO WAY they will change this. But for the sake of this argument, that 'balance' hasn't been done right.
I proved to you that mystic champs can still fight HT. Ghost can still fight Medusa/Annihilus or whoever that inflicts armor break and even if there was perma armor break. Heck, just yesterday I did about 10% damage to Thanos in UC EQ with Ghost in his last phase that has perma armor break.
Did Thanos counter Ghosts' crits? Yes Did Thanos counter Ghosts' Phasing ability? Yes Did Thanos reduce and make Ghost not a viable option? Yes Did Thanos STOP Ghost from dealing damage? NO
That is balance. What Maw is doing is simply crippling Corvus and tipping the scales of balance where a 3* Maw is far superior than R2 6* Corvus in a normal scenario
Define done right. You have 3 ways to counter Champs. Nodes, Champs, and Restrictions. There is no way to counter a Champ without restricting them in some way. What you're saying is, they should balance, as long as it doesn't do X, Y, or Z. You can't have it both ways in that sense. It's like saying, "Balance is fine as long as it doesn't change what I always do.".
I only have Corvus as a 3* and has yet to use him in quest at all. Reading his abilities:
When Knocked Down: Corvus’ blade is damaged if Corvus is Knocked Down by a Heavy or Special Attack, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 3 seconds.
Corvus’ blade is damaged after he uses all of his Glaive charges, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 50 seconds. Corvus cannot inflict Critical Hits while Glaive’s Immunity is disabled.
So, no crit hits means Maw can take damage?
Does it makes sense to take a heavy and then strike back during the cool down window?
You would need to wat like 6 heavies and counter combo right after to get the sustained non crit of glaives being down.
Doesnt seem viable in war. That said just dont bring corvus for every fight is viable
Lol, you must play in Tier 10 if you Think taking multiple heavies in war might be viable
You must not read too well.
Doesnt seem viable in war. Clear as day words I used and you respond telling me.its not viable?
That's what I said.
Work on reading and come back to me
Entertaining a possibility instead of auto-concluding that this is a ridiculous, preposterous idea shows your war rating. Don’t nag my reading bro, you are analyzing taking 6 heavies to get some non-critical hits😂😂😂
I detailed a response to the question instead of disregarding it like a pompous d bag. Who thinks hes high on himself..
Your corvus cant beat 1 guy might as well sell your acct since you cant play without your God crutch
Copy/paste: You are missing my point. If 2 champs at the same PI are fighting, neither one should be an auto-win... even if there are a million champs to choose from.
Wait ... you are explaining that it will be auto-loss even in Arena?
Yes! Corvus’ 1st light is the only hit, all other hits are misses, and since they miss they don’t spend charges.
I just did an autofight, 3* max awakened Corvus versus Ebony Maw in Chapter 3 beginner difficulties. Wow .. wow ... wow ...
This is where we disagree. Balance can include making some Champs useless against others because we have scores of other options. You seem to believe that it's a given that we should be able to take any Champ into any Fight and win. I disagree. The game is also built on strategy, not just button mashing. Part of that is knowing who to go into a Fight with.
Strategy also comes from bringing the wrong Champ and dying. We're going to have to agree to disagree. There's nothing that guarantees you should be able to beat any Champ with any Champ, and it really doesn't matter to me if it's a first. It just means you can't use them.
That depends. winterthur said he just did Beginner on Auto. If he in fact K.O.'d him, then it wouldn't be impossible. If you can take him down, it's not impossible, just highly difficult. That's because of how Corvus functions. To be honest, it really doesn't matter to me. Impossible, or terrible, it means you need to use other options.
Obviously it's going to upset people. That doesn't make it morally wrong. Most people don't like restrictions in general, much less ones to the most popular Attack Teams. That doesn't make them any less necessary.
That depends. winterthur said he just did Beginner on Auto. If he in fact K.O.'d him, then it wouldn't be impossible. If you can take him down, it's not impossible, just highly difficult. That's because of how Corvus functions. To be honest, it really doesn't matter to me. Impossible, or terrible, it means you need to use other options.
The only hit that connect or does damage is first light hit. It is a KO. For a while I thought it was like taking a 4* awakened Wolverine against a 1* Daredevil without autofight but zero input by attacker.
Took 8 hits to KO unawakened Ebony but countless misses. I had to say I was shocked.
Obviously it's going to upset people. That doesn't make it morally wrong. Most people don't like restrictions in general, much less ones to the most popular Attack Teams. That doesn't make them any less necessary.
But does it fit into 'balancing' the game well? Anyway, this has gone for far too long. You have your points and so do I. I am quitting this game as I have to focus on life.
By far you had some solid points in all your arguments but sometimes you deviate from the core. I find it productive arguing with you as I tend to learn at times. Good luck
Yes, it fits into balancing the game well, for a few reasons. However, I'll let the conversation move on. Of course, we all disagree at times, but I still respect people aside from my thoughts. Sorry to see you go. I understand that life comes first. Take care.
I'm saying I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see Maw in the Arena and test myself whether or not there's absolutely no way to beat him. Further to that, it's not the end of the world. There are over 120+ Champs. Just don't use him. I don't consider it that groundbreaking. It's Contest of Champions, not Contest of Corvus.
Make sure once you get him, you come back to further contribute to this thread. Its not Contest of Corvus but it isnt supposed to be a game where 1 champion is fully immune to damage from another champ ONLY.
Ghost, Sym Spidey (SP2) and wasp have guaranteed crits (maybe few more) but they can still damage him. Its just that the interaction is not fair. If I have fun with Corvus, you are stopping me here from having that fun because there is literally nothing I can do to damage him.
I used R5 Morningstar VS Torch and if I get 5 souls, I just Parry/Heavy and rotate SP1 which gives me around 2-3 SP1 before I die....if 2 hits crit out of 9 hits of SP1, its enough to takeout Epic torch. Otherwise I can revive and do again.
I used R5 Ghost vs Master EQ Maw and I can control crits and KO him. I almost died and if I did, I have the option to revive.
But with Corvus, there is no option. That interaction is bad for the game. We all say its only 1 champion but that will happen a lot more in future. And that shouldn't happen
If there was only one or two options to bring, I might agree that it's bad. Since there are a plethora, my feelings won't change regardless of the results.
So you are completely OK with 1 champion fully countering another champion. Sure but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you right? Your argument/debate ends at the fact that there are other champions to bring. You neither agree nor disagree that 1 champ fully countering another is fine or not. That means you do not need to contribute here anymore since you do not care about that.
This thread is for those who think its fair or not for such an interaction to exist.
This Thread is for discussing that interaction, not just for people who agree that it shouldn't exist. Yes, I'm fine with it. Even in the Arena, you have 2 other options to use against him. Same with War.
Ok good but here we are discussing about Corvus VS Maw specifically and not about arena or about AW or about how good or bad he is VS Maw. All of us agree that Corvus is not good for Maw or Mystic suck VS Torch but thats not what we are talking about.
The light attack thing to damage Maw is ridiculous. There could have been a way to fix this if Kabam gave Corvus the ability to start a fight with his glaive immunity/ability up or not. That would let people go in without glaive ability and at least do regular hits so they can take him down
Fine make corvus actually earn his charges instead of starting the fight with an easy win system.
Oh wait then people will cry nerf. Theres basically no winning for kabam at all to create balance people will whine.
OR give him the ability that HT has, flame on/off thing but for glaive on/off so they can decide. Easy fix. Corvus damage will be **** but atleast he can damage and kill in 4-5 revives and not 100-200
I have zero offense knowledge of ht i.didnt arena that week at all took a break.
I was thinking more poise from starky. I'm not a fan of un earned extra damage potential.
Gaureenteed crits always felt stupid to me from the beginning
Human Torch gains smoulders and increases temperature when taking energy damage. All mystic champ attacks are considered energy damage. Mystic VS HT is suicide. But you have a chance to outdamage or control how many hits you do or in some ways control the temperature by waiting. You have a chance or way to get out and win.
Guaranteed things are more valuable than random stuff as you know what to expect. Safer way for me, nothing wrong in not liking it
What control is that? Unless the human torch is a 3* and the player is using a 4-6* to our damage him The only mystic that can at least do something is mephisto Other mystics will die pretty quickly
So, they’ve now decided that making some champs entirely unusable in certain matchups is intelligent game design....
Does this mean we now have more incentive to rank up a greater number of champs to ultimately lower ranks, as opposed to fewer champs to max rank? It would seem they want us to diversify more than amplify. I wonder why that is? *wink*
This is a very curious business decision at the same time, as it seems there is now less motivation to actually purchase or pursue certain big rank-up deals/offers/items. Why bother investing T5 in a champ that may do exactly nothing in certain key match-ups?
Better to have a more extensive roster of 4/55s I guess.
“Who are the most powerful champs? Ok. Check this idea out! How about this guy just shuts them off?”
Genius. Should really enhance the experience. Don’t even have to think about how to beat him, because you can’t. Just bring a different champ.
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I have a 6 star corvus and honestly he needed a big counter like this, he's probably the most popular champ to bring to war now and no one character should be able to Power through almost every fight with minimal effort! If any thing Maw seems to be more of a deterrent than just a counter!
Just means you'll have to use someone other than corvus if you come across a Mystic in war or take the risk... Maw has plenty of counters!
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Nothing guarantees that all Champs will be useful against all Champs. It's not unreasonable with the sheer number of options we have. There's 120+, no idea how many in existence. Which means only two options are not viable. That's not unreasonable.
The sooner people realize that there's no such thing as a Champ that can plow through everything forever, the sooner we don't have to keep having this same conversation when something is introduced that balances. It's a big game, with many Champs, more added every month. NOTHING, and I mean nothing, stays the same forever.
Corvus was missing hits big time.
You have 3 ways to counter Champs. Nodes, Champs, and Restrictions.
There is no way to counter a Champ without restricting them in some way. What you're saying is, they should balance, as long as it doesn't do X, Y, or Z. You can't have it both ways in that sense. It's like saying, "Balance is fine as long as it doesn't change what I always do.".
We're going to have to agree to disagree. There's nothing that guarantees you should be able to beat any Champ with any Champ, and it really doesn't matter to me if it's a first. It just means you can't use them.
To be honest, it really doesn't matter to me. Impossible, or terrible, it means you need to use other options.
Took 8 hits to KO unawakened Ebony but countless misses.
I had to say I was shocked.
Sorry to see you go. I understand that life comes first. Take care.
Unless the human torch is a 3* and the player is using a 4-6* to our damage him
The only mystic that can at least do something is mephisto
Other mystics will die pretty quickly
Does this mean we now have more incentive to rank up a greater number of champs to ultimately lower ranks, as opposed to fewer champs to max rank? It would seem they want us to diversify more than amplify. I wonder why that is? *wink*
This is a very curious business decision at the same time, as it seems there is now less motivation to actually purchase or pursue certain big rank-up deals/offers/items. Why bother investing T5 in a champ that may do exactly nothing in certain key match-ups?
Better to have a more extensive roster of 4/55s I guess.
“Who are the most powerful champs? Ok. Check this idea out! How about this guy just shuts them off?”
Genius. Should really enhance the experience. Don’t even have to think about how to beat him, because you can’t. Just bring a different champ.
Cool. I love having the game pick my team for me.
@GroundedWisdom here’s a mephisto vs human torch one shot