The AI has definitely changed; while it's not directly a nerf to Ghost it does affect her somewhat substantially
@Kabam Miike please bring this to the game team theres a ton of videos to support this. Pete has been playing since she was first released - literally grinded her out twice in arena. If anyone knows the AI is different with just Ghost its him. We're not wrong
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
That doesn't answer the question, has the AI changed at all from last version?
The answer seems to be yes, it has, there is enough video evidence of this now. So, while it may not have been tuned specifically for ghost, it has indeed changed.
I bet it’s related to Nick Fury. They just added a champ that can counter/ignore miss. Only now all champs have that ability, not just Fury 😂
You know, I was actually thinking the same thing. Adding a new champ with a new ability adds another dimension to the AI in a way. I think there were other consequences when a few other new champs were added in the past, but can't specifically remember.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Hey @Kabam Zibiit thanks for the response! Just a little more information that may help you express our concerns to the team. Regardless of if there was an intentional change, the AI is now behaving differently that impact specifically Ghost in 2 major ways.
1) She is now much less safe to use, if you try to counter any hit other than the opponent’s initial dash attack or some special attacks, she will instead be evaded or parried when she previously could counter attack combo hits safely.
2) Being forced to counter attack the first hit the enemy throws reduces the effectiveness of her signature ability by 2 to 5 times. She can no longer reliably count on the enemy comboing into her phasing, meaning you can’t use her enemies’ misses to trigger her signature ability as often as you could before the 22.0 update.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
I experienced this today or something similar in aq (running petty map 4 because it's cheap, easy, and we're mostly retired) while fighting the ultron section boss with Lc. ultron evaded one of my hits and while still evading, threw a sp3. I've seen this a sh*t ton in arena and other content where the ai can move way faster than our champions and can pick up blocks between attacks and recover from attacks and specials way too fast (i.e: they can block between a 5-hit combo and a special, or they can pick up block before I can punish even after a perfect dex on certain champs/fights). The ai is evolving in certain content/ game modes and it's bs
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Yep. Here’s an example from @Mike12867 livestream:
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
This is the most clear proof of biased Ai depending on champion. I'd say its inconfutable that facng ghost AIs are bound to act differently, cause no AI would do or try do that against any other champion in game hood included.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
This is clearly a coding error on Kabam's fault ( @Kabam Zibiit ), Cap marvel is able to armor break hitting your block, and somehow her ability interaction with miss still register the hit like it was on block and not in the thin air. That's most likely why you got the armor break there
She was my main driver to finish act5 as longterm champ. I have 7 other 5 stars and they are not good at all (cyclops, hulkbuster etc). I’m literally 10,000 tech away from r4 5*ghost with a mil iso. Lotta time learning to play her well. 4* wasp, antman I won in long grinds in arena. Between this and the act6 champ requirements in a week, I feel good about putting the game down and devoting more time and income into my other hobbies.
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Yep. Here’s an example from @Mike12867 livestream:
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
This is the most clear proof of biased Ai depending on champion. I'd say its inconfutable that facng ghost AIs are bound to act differently, cause no AI would do or try do that against any other champion in game hood included.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
This is clearly a coding error on Kabam's fault ( @Kabam Zibiit ), Cap marvel is able to armor break hitting your block, and somehow her ability interaction with miss still register the hit like it was on block and not in the thin air. That's most likely why you got the armor break there
This AI behavior is specific to Ghost only, i will be working on this video sooner
it's not ghost specific. the AI recovers AND acts quicker in several situations. let your time between hits increase just a bit and the AI will attack, dex, or throw a special much more frequently/quicker than it used to.
this has 2 effects. 1. ghost's can't use that as an opening to land hit's anymore. 2. you can use it to intercept or bait specials in a way that you couldn't previously.
It is ghost specific, I have tried using 3-4 different champs in around 10+ fights and the AI acted normal/pre-update
I feel sorry for the hard core Ghost users, I only have a R3 5* and was planning on learning more about her this months quest and maybe R4 her. I see what people are upset about. Whatever AI changes that have been made seem to counter her, for other champs it actually seem better imho. This reminds me a lot of the Drax Nerf. No changes were made to Drax just some "frame rate" changes and suddenly he moves backwards against evades. I'm not sure if the AI changes were made to counter Ghost or if it was an unintentional consequence. If it's unintentional there's hope because every few updates the AI is changed to keep us on guard. If it was intended...ugh..when's the last time you used Drax. Good luck everyone I definitely see why you're upset.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
no, basically the AI doesnt work like this against ANY other champion but ghost. Even hood/darkhawk in their 'miss' mode dont face these issues. not unfair?
no, basically the AI doesnt work like this against ANY other champion but ghost. Even hood/darkhawk in their 'miss' mode dont face these issues. not unfair?
no, basically the AI doesnt work like this against ANY other champion but ghost. Even hood/darkhawk in their 'miss' mode dont face these issues. not unfair?
Do you have proof of that?
I didnt record it but u can check it urself. Make sure u watch the video otherwise ur wasting my and ur time, and thats the first thing i mentioned in video. so i guess u didnt watch my video.
I used phoenix, morningstar, gulk n KM, tanky champs and let AI hit me but i never faced a thing where they would do ML and dash back NEVER! so yea, thats proof enough and if u dont believe me, u can test and record it.
again - Medium, dash back, Medium or anything in this order on any champion BUT GHOST. lemme know if u r correct
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The answer seems to be yes, it has, there is enough video evidence of this now.
So, while it may not have been tuned specifically for ghost, it has indeed changed.
1) She is now much less safe to use, if you try to counter any hit other than the opponent’s initial dash attack or some special attacks, she will instead be evaded or parried when she previously could counter attack combo hits safely.
2) Being forced to counter attack the first hit the enemy throws reduces the effectiveness of her signature ability by 2 to 5 times. She can no longer reliably count on the enemy comboing into her phasing, meaning you can’t use her enemies’ misses to trigger her signature ability as often as you could before the 22.0 update.
Thanks!
PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened:
https://streamable.com/y4z98
Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
How is that parry remotely possibly? Hes mid attack, not even blocking and its already up as registered.
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I used phoenix, morningstar, gulk n KM, tanky champs and let AI hit me but i never faced a thing where they would do ML and dash back NEVER! so yea, thats proof enough and if u dont believe me, u can test and record it.
again - Medium, dash back, Medium or anything in this order on any champion BUT GHOST. lemme know if u r correct