@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
So your use of profanity that you masked against me is actually a violation of terms and services..do you think you should be or will be banned for doing that? Fair is fair so atleast I should see a ban on these form because I didn’t use any profanity against anyone right now @Kabam Miike …can you address if this response to me is considered constructive in the conversation
First off, nobody likes a narc.
Second, there’s a wild difference between a curse word and hate speech. If you don’t get that, that’s on you.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
Can you tell me what Snizzbar means so I know if i can use it as a playground insult against this guy
Also an intimidation tactic and admitting that you’re trying to insult me… @Kabam Miike …are people on the forms allowed to attack me for my opinion on your action to ban someone in game for violating terms and services on the forum..I’m being very respectful here and constructive and critical on my posts
Third, your opinion is bad and we’re telling you that. I really don’t think you want Miike’s attention back here, I don’t expect it’ll go the way you want.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
womp womp
This isn’t very constructive especially coming from a YouTuber…so you support cyber bullying of me?
Womp. Womp.
My stance of banning in game is an abuse of power…banning in the forum is acceptable..comments such as womp womp from a “content creator” and “nobody likes a narc” have no bearing on the conversation and are not constructive..seems no one actually has anything constructive to say..it’s literally sound effects in response to me and masked profanity
Kabam can ban you for whatever reason they want - inside of the game or not. It's all in the Terms of Service you agreed to. Trying to argue against that is incredibly stupid and a waste of time.
Really weird hill to die on, dude.
Actually kabam can not ban your for whatever reason they want..it has to be an actual reason for violating terms…also I have no idea what you mean by really weird hill to die on….im trying to figure out why everyone seems so triggered by my support of only banning in the forum first..if person acts up in global chat while on the app then ban in the game
He must have posted a homophobic pic with his post. You read that post 2hrs and 40 mins after it was posted. Admins edited it by then. If it wasn't homophobic, or offensive in another way, they would not have removed it.
See here where his homphobia is removed by the admins, and they explained why:
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
So your use of profanity that you masked against me is actually a violation of terms and services..do you think you should be or will be banned for doing that? Fair is fair so atleast I should see a ban on these form because I didn’t use any profanity against anyone right now @Kabam Miike …can you address if this response to me is considered constructive in the conversation
First off, nobody likes a narc.
Second, there’s a wild difference between a curse word and hate speech. If you don’t get that, that’s on you.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
Can you tell me what Snizzbar means so I know if i can use it as a playground insult against this guy
Also an intimidation tactic and admitting that you’re trying to insult me… @Kabam Miike …are people on the forms allowed to attack me for my opinion on your action to ban someone in game for violating terms and services on the forum..I’m being very respectful here and constructive and critical on my posts
Third, your opinion is bad and we’re telling you that. I really don’t think you want Miike’s attention back here, I don’t expect it’ll go the way you want.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
womp womp
This isn’t very constructive especially coming from a YouTuber…so you support cyber bullying of me?
Womp. Womp.
My stance of banning in game is an abuse of power…banning in the forum is acceptable..comments such as womp womp from a “content creator” and “nobody likes a narc” have no bearing on the conversation and are not constructive..seems no one actually has anything constructive to say..it’s literally sound effects in response to me and masked profanity
You should get banned in both just to prove the point that they can do it...
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
womp womp
This isn’t very constructive especially coming from a YouTuber…so you support cyber bullying of me?
"Kabam Miike" wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
This isn't the first time nor will it likely be the last time someone got banned in-game for something said on forums. This is a kabam-sanctioned and moderated forum for Marvel Contest of Champions. Your behavior here can affect your ingame account. Be nice and don't be an idiot and you have nothing to worry about.
Also attacking other forum members who disagree with you looks really bad on you.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
So your use of profanity that you masked against me is actually a violation of terms and services..do you think you should be or will be banned for doing that? Fair is fair so atleast I should see a ban on these form because I didn’t use any profanity against anyone right now @Kabam Miike …can you address if this response to me is considered constructive in the conversation
First off, nobody likes a narc.
Second, there’s a wild difference between a curse word and hate speech. If you don’t get that, that’s on you.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
Their game and their forum. If they want to connect the two, tough s#!t. Shouldn't have said that stuff anywhere, so good riddance
Can you tell me what Snizzbar means so I know if i can use it as a playground insult against this guy
Also an intimidation tactic and admitting that you’re trying to insult me… @Kabam Miike …are people on the forms allowed to attack me for my opinion on your action to ban someone in game for violating terms and services on the forum..I’m being very respectful here and constructive and critical on my posts
Third, your opinion is bad and we’re telling you that. I really don’t think you want Miike’s attention back here, I don’t expect it’ll go the way you want.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
womp womp
This isn’t very constructive especially coming from a YouTuber…so you support cyber bullying of me?
Womp. Womp.
My stance of banning in game is an abuse of power…banning in the forum is acceptable..comments such as womp womp from a “content creator” and “nobody likes a narc” have no bearing on the conversation and are not constructive..seems no one actually has anything constructive to say..it’s literally sound effects in response to me and masked profanity
That's not abuse of power, that's ZERO TOLERANCE for hate speech.
Period.
Know the difference between the two.
And considering the game and the forums are linked and made by the same creators, they can take the same disciplinary action in the game as they would in the forum at their discretion.
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
I'm not going to pick on you, it's not what i do in this space. Here's what's what.
as you may or may not know, these are not lawsuit-proof, but they do put the burden on the complainant moreso than not. if you have a legit complaint that you feel you are being unfairly maligned, here's the guy you reach out to on linkedin:
Being abusive to other players and inappropriate language is what was actually in the responses to me by other people on the forum so few accounts technically could be banned….the other note number 4 starts off with some serious words ..it says except where restricted or prohibited by applicable law..US law differs from Canadian law..I assume it depends on where the specific case takes place…laws are different everywhere so I assume that’s why this is here…true even in the US a business can reject anyone from say going into their store and then that person can file a lawsuit and it goes back and forth like that..
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
I'm not going to pick on you, it's not what i do in this space. Here's what's what.
as you may or may not know, these are not lawsuit-proof, but they do put the burden on the complainant moreso than not. if you have a legit complaint that you feel you are being unfairly maligned, here's the guy you reach out to on linkedin:
Being abusive to other players and inappropriate language is what was actually in the responses to me by other people on the forum so few accounts technically could be banned….the other note number 4 starts off with some serious words ..it says except where restricted or prohibited by applicable law..US law differs from Canadian law..I assume it depends on where the specific case takes place…laws are different everywhere so I assume that’s why this is here…true even in the US a business can reject anyone from say going into their store and then that person can file a lawsuit and it goes back and forth like that..
Yo, lawsuit brought up? Golivarez has returned?
Also there have been hundreds of threads talking about the legality of the situation. Long story short, doesn't matter where you are, kabam can at any time cut off access to your account for literally no reason. You can try and sue, but good luck finding a lawyer who'd help you with that. Even if your account gets reinstated, it can be banned the next day because kabam decides they don't want you playing their game. All-in-all, it is a lose-lose situation for you if you go that route.
Again, just be nice and don't cheat. If you do that, then you have literally nothing to worry about.
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
You're out of your league in that- 1. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's nothing that says you can't be banned in both spots. 2. By you saying they shouldn't have their account banned as well as forums means you don't hold hate speech in higher regard. 3. You won't change your viewpoint because you've defended your opinion here already.
There is no room on theses forums or in game for people who believe hate speech is acceptable anywhere. What Miike did, in my opinion, is the bare minimum that should happen. If you're against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did.
Seems like you are making many assumptions about me based on my opinion on what I feel is a deserved punishment for a terms violation..if Miike had only banned this person in the forum would you attack him for not holding “hate speech” in a higher regard or would you accept his judgment…would you even have an opinion on it?…I am amazed at the assumptions a person can make on someone they don’t even know based off the fact that I think this person probably loves the game and deserves to play the game but doesn’t deserve to post on the forum…if this person goes to global chat and continued their actions then I would say ban them there also…why is that opinion so bad and cause so many people to want to attack me…a big reason is clearly the keyboard warrior aspect of it bcuz I’m sure everyone here would just have a normal conversation about this face to face and it would all be respectful I have to deal with one lines like “your out of your league”…”womp womp”…”your a narc” just nonsense…the last sentence where you said “if your’re against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did”…that’s a very dangerous comment..your characterizing me on baseless grounds…very dangerous rhetoric there
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
I'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
You aren't "forced" to vote lol
The whole thing is supposed to be fun. I'm really not sure why any time a vote happens it evolves into toxicity & conspiracy, literally every single time haha
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
womp womp
This isn’t very constructive especially coming from a YouTuber…so you support cyber bullying of me?
I don't think you know what cyberbullying is
Do you care to define it and what constitutes it in your opinion?
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
Are you guys like twin flames ?
What do you mean by that?
The connection, like the netflix docuseries... I am asking cause I never felt connected to onr of my champs, maybe I am the one with issues
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
Are you guys like twin flames ?
What do you mean by that?
The connection, like the netflix docuseries... I am asking cause I never felt connected to onr of my champs, maybe I am the one with issues
Actually kabam can not ban your for whatever reason they want..it has to be an actual reason for violating terms…
TOS Section 8:
Standards. While using any of the Services and Materials, including on or in any Submissions (as defined below), postings or ratings, you agree to follow our community standards, code of conduct, and guidelines set forth in “Announcements” or “Stickies” found in the Services, forums or any other supplemental policies or documents (any all such standards are hereby incorporated by reference into these Terms or Service) (collectively, “Standards”).
Section 8.13:
[Without limiting any other limitations or restrictions in your use of the Services and Materials as set forth in these Terms, you agree not to do any of the following, in whole or in part or under any circumstance:]
Inappropriate Content: Send, post, transmit, make available, and/or distribute any pornographic, sexually graphic, threatening, embarrassing, hateful, racially or ethnically insulting, inciteful, deceptive, tortuous, defamatory, libelous, or otherwise inappropriate or offensive comments or content via the Services, including any uses of characters such as 1@#$% to replace letters and including any topics that may be harmful to or threaten the security of a child or minor;
Regardless, there is always the general principle that most businesses are allowed to deny service to anyone. McDonalds does not need to post a brochure listing their terms of service for restaurants. Store employees can decide to ask people to leave the premises if, in their opinion and at their own discretion, those people are behaving in a disruptive or undesirable manner. Short of committing some civil rights violation in the United States any business can simply ask you to leave, or bar your entry.
This is reflected in the TOS under Section 14 (termination):
Termination. Your right to access and use the Services and Materials will remain effective until terminated in accordance with the Terms, or, if the foregoing event does not occur, as long as you continue using the Services and Materials. Kabam reserves the right, acting reasonably, to revoke the limited license granted to you in these Terms at any time, with or without prior notice to you, for any reason whatsoever, including without limitation, violation of these Terms or Kabam’s discontinuation of the Services or any part of the Services.
also I have no idea what you mean by really weird hill to die on….im trying to figure out why everyone seems so triggered by my support of only banning in the forum first..if person acts up in global chat while on the app then ban in the game
What triggered you to come here in the first place? I'm assuming if you're describing people's replies as triggered, you also view your own conduct as being triggered by the ban in the first place. Or is triggered a word you only use to describe the people you disagree with?
These forums are an extension of the player community of the game. They are not some separate unrelated activity. It is not like Kabam is monitoring your Facebook page or Wordpress blog. Your conduct here affects MCOC players no different than your conduct in global chat, and any conduct they allow to occur here reflects upon Kabam as the governing authority of these forums. You can spew whatever you like on the Reddit, as Kabam doesn't regulate the Reddit nothing you do there can be associated with or in any way considered tolerated or endorsed by Kabam. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever been banned for conduct on the subreddit or a Youtube comment section or anywhere else, But here, on their forums, they have every right, and in my opinion the responsibility, to enforce their governing policies on players in any way they deem appropriate.
Actually kabam can not ban your for whatever reason they want..it has to be an actual reason for violating terms…
TOS Section 8:
Standards. While using any of the Services and Materials, including on or in any Submissions (as defined below), postings or ratings, you agree to follow our community standards, code of conduct, and guidelines set forth in “Announcements” or “Stickies” found in the Services, forums or any other supplemental policies or documents (any all such standards are hereby incorporated by reference into these Terms or Service) (collectively, “Standards”).
Section 8.13:
[Without limiting any other limitations or restrictions in your use of the Services and Materials as set forth in these Terms, you agree not to do any of the following, in whole or in part or under any circumstance:]
Inappropriate Content: Send, post, transmit, make available, and/or distribute any pornographic, sexually graphic, threatening, embarrassing, hateful, racially or ethnically insulting, inciteful, deceptive, tortuous, defamatory, libelous, or otherwise inappropriate or offensive comments or content via the Services, including any uses of characters such as 1@#$% to replace letters and including any topics that may be harmful to or threaten the security of a child or minor;
Regardless, there is always the general principle that most businesses are allowed to deny service to anyone. McDonalds does not need to post a brochure listing their terms of service for restaurants. Store employees can decide to ask people to leave the premises if, in their opinion and at their own discretion, those people are behaving in a disruptive or undesirable manner. Short of committing some civil rights violation in the United States any business can simply ask you to leave, or bar your entry.
This is reflected in the TOS under Section 14 (termination):
Termination. Your right to access and use the Services and Materials will remain effective until terminated in accordance with the Terms, or, if the foregoing event does not occur, as long as you continue using the Services and Materials. Kabam reserves the right, acting reasonably, to revoke the limited license granted to you in these Terms at any time, with or without prior notice to you, for any reason whatsoever, including without limitation, violation of these Terms or Kabam’s discontinuation of the Services or any part of the Services.
also I have no idea what you mean by really weird hill to die on….im trying to figure out why everyone seems so triggered by my support of only banning in the forum first..if person acts up in global chat while on the app then ban in the game
What triggered you to come here in the first place? I'm assuming if you're describing people's replies as triggered, you also view your own conduct as being triggered by the ban in the first place. Or is triggered a word you only use to describe the people you disagree with?
These forums are an extension of the player community of the game. They are not some separate unrelated activity. It is not like Kabam is monitoring your Facebook page or Wordpress blog. Your conduct here affects MCOC players no different than your conduct in global chat, and any conduct they allow to occur here reflects upon Kabam as the governing authority of these forums. You can spew whatever you like on the Reddit, as Kabam doesn't regulate the Reddit nothing you do there can be associated with or in any way considered tolerated or endorsed by Kabam. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever been banned for conduct on the subreddit or a Youtube comment section or anywhere else, But here, on their forums, they have every right, and in my opinion the responsibility, to enforce their governing policies on players in any way they deem appropriate.
Simply think a forum ban first is appropriate…30 day in game ban..too extreme
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
You're out of your league in that- 1. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's nothing that says you can't be banned in both spots. 2. By you saying they shouldn't have their account banned as well as forums means you don't hold hate speech in higher regard. 3. You won't change your viewpoint because you've defended your opinion here already.
There is no room on theses forums or in game for people who believe hate speech is acceptable anywhere. What Miike did, in my opinion, is the bare minimum that should happen. If you're against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did.
Seems like you are making many assumptions about me based on my opinion on what I feel is a deserved punishment for a terms violation..if Miike had only banned this person in the forum would you attack him for not holding “hate speech” in a higher regard or would you accept his judgment…would you even have an opinion on it?…I am amazed at the assumptions a person can make on someone they don’t even know based off the fact that I think this person probably loves the game and deserves to play the game but doesn’t deserve to post on the forum…if this person goes to global chat and continued their actions then I would say ban them there also…why is that opinion so bad and cause so many people to want to attack me…a big reason is clearly the keyboard warrior aspect of it bcuz I’m sure everyone here would just have a normal conversation about this face to face and it would all be respectful I have to deal with one lines like “your out of your league”…”womp womp”…”your a narc” just nonsense…the last sentence where you said “if your’re against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did”…that’s a very dangerous comment..your characterizing me on baseless grounds…very dangerous rhetoric there
My opinion is that that if you think hate speech is ok to use, you should be banned from all platforms permanently. If Miike only banned him from the forums then I would respect his decision but I would suggest a full ban.
Members of the LGBTQIA+ community deserve to enjoy life but they're attacked daily, especially here in the U.S. They are constantly having to fight for the right to live a normal life because of people like OP.
Who you love in life shouldn't EVER be a concern to anyone. We're humans. We HAVE to do better for each other. Most of this world, and what feels like even more so here in the U.S., has become a terrible place because people want to control other people.
So no, I don't care if the person likes to play the game. If they're that hateful, take it all away.
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
Are you guys like twin flames ?
What do you mean by that?
The connection, like the netflix docuseries... I am asking cause I never felt connected to onr of my champs, maybe I am the one with issues
Oh ok so your trying to insult me then..I get it
No, I am curious, I wanna feel connected to my champs too...
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
You're out of your league in that- 1. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's nothing that says you can't be banned in both spots. 2. By you saying they shouldn't have their account banned as well as forums means you don't hold hate speech in higher regard. 3. You won't change your viewpoint because you've defended your opinion here already.
There is no room on theses forums or in game for people who believe hate speech is acceptable anywhere. What Miike did, in my opinion, is the bare minimum that should happen. If you're against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did.
Seems like you are making many assumptions about me based on my opinion on what I feel is a deserved punishment for a terms violation..if Miike had only banned this person in the forum would you attack him for not holding “hate speech” in a higher regard or would you accept his judgment…would you even have an opinion on it?…I am amazed at the assumptions a person can make on someone they don’t even know based off the fact that I think this person probably loves the game and deserves to play the game but doesn’t deserve to post on the forum…if this person goes to global chat and continued their actions then I would say ban them there also…why is that opinion so bad and cause so many people to want to attack me…a big reason is clearly the keyboard warrior aspect of it bcuz I’m sure everyone here would just have a normal conversation about this face to face and it would all be respectful I have to deal with one lines like “your out of your league”…”womp womp”…”your a narc” just nonsense…the last sentence where you said “if your’re against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did”…that’s a very dangerous comment..your characterizing me on baseless grounds…very dangerous rhetoric there
My opinion is that that if you think hate speech is ok to use, you should be banned from all platforms permanently. If Miike only banned him from the forums then I would respect his decision but I would suggest a full ban.
Members of the LGBTQIA+ community deserve to enjoy life but they're attacked daily, especially here in the U.S. They are constantly having to fight for the right to live a normal life because of people like OP.
Who you love in life shouldn't EVER be a concern to anyone. We're humans. We HAVE to do better for each other. Most of this world, and what feels like even more so here in the U.S., has become a terrible place because people want to control other people.
So no, I don't care if the person likes to play the game. If they're that hateful, take it all away.
Plenty of ppl on the forums have violated kabams hate speech terms and have been put in the forum prison or had forum access banned…I think 30 days of that would have been fine …this is one platform of chat and the game has its own platform..I say keep them separate
Being abusive to other players and inappropriate language is what was actually in the responses to me by other people on the forum so few accounts technically could be banned….the other note number 4 starts off with some serious words ..it says except where restricted or prohibited by applicable law..US law differs from Canadian law..I assume it depends on where the specific case takes place…laws are different everywhere so I assume that’s why this is here…true even in the US a business can reject anyone from say going into their store and then that person can file a lawsuit and it goes back and forth like that..
In the United States you can literally file suit for anything. There is no specific set of things deemed appropriate for civil court. You're required to actually make a case, and you could get immediately tossed for any number of reasons, but when someone says you can sue that's because that is literally the way the US courts work. I could sue you for wasting my time here on the forums. I would lose, but I could do it. Similarly, you could sue them for banning you. You would lose, but you could do it, because in America you can sue God for making it rain on your picnic.
As to the conduct in this thread, nothing I see here rises to the level of being a bannable offense. People throw around the "be consistent" thing all the time, but here in the real world there's such a thing as discretion. Even when the strict letter of the law is broken, there are degrees of problematic behavior, and some can be safely ignored, some deserve a warning, some deserve forum time out, some draw permanent forum bans, and some draw game account bans. Given what happens on the forums every day, if Miike drew the ban hammer, the OP must have gone way over the line.
Moderators everywhere must exercise judgment. I have been given forum warnings myself in the past. I didn't always agree with them, but I recognize the moderators have a difficult job, and discretion when it comes to warnings and bans have very blurry lines. I have never gone anywhere near the line that would get me permanently banned from the forums or any sort of ban from the game, nor do I have any desire to do so. It would never occur to me to do any of those things, and frankly the idea that such behavior should be normalized, like hey, its occasionally going to happen to the best of us, is something I don't subscribe to. Nobody accidentally trips and becomes a horrible person on their way to the sidewalk.
There's a line that if you cross it there's only two possibilities: they did it deliberately in which case they're a monster. Or they did it accidentally in which case we should presume they'll be doing it over and over again because they are an idiot. In either case, a strict punitive response is warranted. Honestly, they are lucky they were not permanently banned. I personally cannot imagine anything that would cause me to want to ban a player from the game for abusive conduct, that I would judge as worthy of a thirty day ban. There's a week for something that rides the line but needs action taken. And then there's nuke from orbit, and by all means stand there and let the door hit you on the way out, because I intend for that door to be moving at hypersonic speed when it strikes.
Miike was probably more merciful than I would have been.
Being abusive to other players and inappropriate language is what was actually in the responses to me by other people on the forum so few accounts technically could be banned….the other note number 4 starts off with some serious words ..it says except where restricted or prohibited by applicable law..US law differs from Canadian law..I assume it depends on where the specific case takes place…laws are different everywhere so I assume that’s why this is here…true even in the US a business can reject anyone from say going into their store and then that person can file a lawsuit and it goes back and forth like that..
In the United States you can literally file suit for anything. There is no specific set of things deemed appropriate for civil court. You're required to actually make a case, and you could get immediately tossed for any number of reasons, but when someone says you can sue that's because that is literally the way the US courts work. I could sue you for wasting my time here on the forums. I would lose, but I could do it. Similarly, you could sue them for banning you. You would lose, but you could do it, because in America you can sue God for making it rain on your picnic.
As to the conduct in this thread, nothing I see here rises to the level of being a bannable offense. People throw around the "be consistent" thing all the time, but here in the real world there's such a thing as discretion. Even when the strict letter of the law is broken, there are degrees of problematic behavior, and some can be safely ignored, some deserve a warning, some deserve forum time out, some draw permanent forum bans, and some draw game account bans. Given what happens on the forums every day, if Miike drew the ban hammer, the OP must have gone way over the line.
Moderators everywhere must exercise judgment. I have been given forum warnings myself in the past. I didn't always agree with them, but I recognize the moderators have a difficult job, and discretion when it comes to warnings and bans have very blurry lines. I have never gone anywhere near the line that would get me permanently banned from the forums or any sort of ban from the game, nor do I have any desire to do so. It would never occur to me to do any of those things, and frankly the idea that such behavior should be normalized, like hey, its occasionally going to happen to the best of us, is something I don't subscribe to. Nobody accidentally trips and becomes a horrible person on their way to the sidewalk.
There's a line that if you cross it there's only two possibilities: they did it deliberately in which case they're a monster. Or they did it accidentally in which case we should presume they'll be doing it over and over again because they are an idiot. In either case, a strict punitive response is warranted. Honestly, they are lucky they were not permanently banned. I personally cannot imagine anything that would cause me to want to ban a player from the game for abusive conduct, that I would judge as worthy of a thirty day ban. There's a week for something that rides the line but needs action taken. And then there's nuke from orbit, and by all means stand there and let the door hit you on the way out, because I intend for that door to be moving at hypersonic speed when it strikes.
Miike was probably more merciful than I would have been.
That’s scary…you would do more then a 30 day ban…honest question..how would you feel if kabam tracked him down and made him lose his job for his post? If you had the power would you take more from this person then just access to the game?
@Kabam Miike wow I have to say that is an abuse of power to ban a customer in game for words on a forum..the forum and the game are two different entities and doing what you did is not right..if something had been said on the global chat then apply your terms and services to that but this is a website..you represent a business and should put your personal beliefs and emotions aside and only apply to what you are policing..you are moderating a forum so apply your ban to account here..these tactics are wrong and seem to intimidate others from saying something that you may use your power to affect them in game
I'd stick to talking about things you're actually familiar with. You're out of your league here.
People should be intimidated in saying homophobic things. 30 day ban isn't enough in my book. People like you and the person who got banned won't ever change.
Banning someone for spewing hate speech falls directly into their purview. It's against forums ToS to attack people in that manner. The fact that you're standing up for someone who talks that way is disgusting.
What league am I out of exactly? What exactly about me are you saying will never change? Are you accusing me of being homophonic because you said people like me will never change? Change what exactly? My position is ban in forum not in game.
You're out of your league in that- 1. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's nothing that says you can't be banned in both spots. 2. By you saying they shouldn't have their account banned as well as forums means you don't hold hate speech in higher regard. 3. You won't change your viewpoint because you've defended your opinion here already.
There is no room on theses forums or in game for people who believe hate speech is acceptable anywhere. What Miike did, in my opinion, is the bare minimum that should happen. If you're against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did.
Seems like you are making many assumptions about me based on my opinion on what I feel is a deserved punishment for a terms violation..if Miike had only banned this person in the forum would you attack him for not holding “hate speech” in a higher regard or would you accept his judgment…would you even have an opinion on it?…I am amazed at the assumptions a person can make on someone they don’t even know based off the fact that I think this person probably loves the game and deserves to play the game but doesn’t deserve to post on the forum…if this person goes to global chat and continued their actions then I would say ban them there also…why is that opinion so bad and cause so many people to want to attack me…a big reason is clearly the keyboard warrior aspect of it bcuz I’m sure everyone here would just have a normal conversation about this face to face and it would all be respectful I have to deal with one lines like “your out of your league”…”womp womp”…”your a narc” just nonsense…the last sentence where you said “if your’re against strict punishments for actions like OP, then you support what they did”…that’s a very dangerous comment..your characterizing me on baseless grounds…very dangerous rhetoric there
My opinion is that that if you think hate speech is ok to use, you should be banned from all platforms permanently. If Miike only banned him from the forums then I would respect his decision but I would suggest a full ban.
Members of the LGBTQIA+ community deserve to enjoy life but they're attacked daily, especially here in the U.S. They are constantly having to fight for the right to live a normal life because of people like OP.
Who you love in life shouldn't EVER be a concern to anyone. We're humans. We HAVE to do better for each other. Most of this world, and what feels like even more so here in the U.S., has become a terrible place because people want to control other people.
So no, I don't care if the person likes to play the game. If they're that hateful, take it all away.
Plenty of ppl on the forums have violated kabams hate speech terms and have been put in the forum prison or had forum access banned…I think 30 days of that would have been fine …this is one platform of chat and the game has its own platform..I say keep them separate
They are operated by the same company. They aren't separate. These forums are used exclusively for MCOC THE GAME. They are about getting help and information for the game.
Again, ANYONE who uses hate speech should be automatically perma banned in game and on forums past, present and future. Whether they were in the past doesn't matter because it's already in the past. This isn't a court of law and precedent doesn't matter here. It's obvious what side you're fighting for though.
I don't know about rigged but i'm thinking i may just not vote and ignore my inbox and the objective unless there is something juicy for voting at all as part of the objectives....don't care for either champ....shouldn't have to be forced to pick something....
Yea I’m not voting …I have no connection with any champ but the blob..hopefully he will still make it to game like white tiger
Are you guys like twin flames ?
What do you mean by that?
The connection, like the netflix docuseries... I am asking cause I never felt connected to onr of my champs, maybe I am the one with issues
Oh ok so your trying to insult me then..I get it
No, I am curious, I wanna feel connected to my champs too...
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See here where his homphobia is removed by the admins, and they explained why:
Also attacking other forum members who disagree with you looks really bad on you.
Period.
Know the difference between the two.
And considering the game and the forums are linked and made by the same creators, they can take the same disciplinary action in the game as they would in the forum at their discretion.
Also there have been hundreds of threads talking about the legality of the situation. Long story short, doesn't matter where you are, kabam can at any time cut off access to your account for literally no reason. You can try and sue, but good luck finding a lawyer who'd help you with that. Even if your account gets reinstated, it can be banned the next day because kabam decides they don't want you playing their game. All-in-all, it is a lose-lose situation for you if you go that route.
Again, just be nice and don't cheat. If you do that, then you have literally nothing to worry about.
The whole thing is supposed to be fun. I'm really not sure why any time a vote happens it evolves into toxicity & conspiracy, literally every single time haha
I am asking cause I never felt connected to onr of my champs, maybe I am the one with issues
Section 8.13:
Regardless, there is always the general principle that most businesses are allowed to deny service to anyone. McDonalds does not need to post a brochure listing their terms of service for restaurants. Store employees can decide to ask people to leave the premises if, in their opinion and at their own discretion, those people are behaving in a disruptive or undesirable manner. Short of committing some civil rights violation in the United States any business can simply ask you to leave, or bar your entry.
This is reflected in the TOS under Section 14 (termination):
What triggered you to come here in the first place? I'm assuming if you're describing people's replies as triggered, you also view your own conduct as being triggered by the ban in the first place. Or is triggered a word you only use to describe the people you disagree with?"for any reason whatsoever"
These forums are an extension of the player community of the game. They are not some separate unrelated activity. It is not like Kabam is monitoring your Facebook page or Wordpress blog. Your conduct here affects MCOC players no different than your conduct in global chat, and any conduct they allow to occur here reflects upon Kabam as the governing authority of these forums. You can spew whatever you like on the Reddit, as Kabam doesn't regulate the Reddit nothing you do there can be associated with or in any way considered tolerated or endorsed by Kabam. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever been banned for conduct on the subreddit or a Youtube comment section or anywhere else, But here, on their forums, they have every right, and in my opinion the responsibility, to enforce their governing policies on players in any way they deem appropriate.
Section 8.13:
Regardless, there is always the general principle that most businesses are allowed to deny service to anyone. McDonalds does not need to post a brochure listing their terms of service for restaurants. Store employees can decide to ask people to leave the premises if, in their opinion and at their own discretion, those people are behaving in a disruptive or undesirable manner. Short of committing some civil rights violation in the United States any business can simply ask you to leave, or bar your entry.
This is reflected in the TOS under Section 14 (termination):
What triggered you to come here in the first place? I'm assuming if you're describing people's replies as triggered, you also view your own conduct as being triggered by the ban in the first place. Or is triggered a word you only use to describe the people you disagree with?"for any reason whatsoever"
These forums are an extension of the player community of the game. They are not some separate unrelated activity. It is not like Kabam is monitoring your Facebook page or Wordpress blog. Your conduct here affects MCOC players no different than your conduct in global chat, and any conduct they allow to occur here reflects upon Kabam as the governing authority of these forums. You can spew whatever you like on the Reddit, as Kabam doesn't regulate the Reddit nothing you do there can be associated with or in any way considered tolerated or endorsed by Kabam. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever been banned for conduct on the subreddit or a Youtube comment section or anywhere else, But here, on their forums, they have every right, and in my opinion the responsibility, to enforce their governing policies on players in any way they deem appropriate.
Simply think a forum ban first is appropriate…30 day in game ban..too extreme
Members of the LGBTQIA+ community deserve to enjoy life but they're attacked daily, especially here in the U.S. They are constantly having to fight for the right to live a normal life because of people like OP.
Who you love in life shouldn't EVER be a concern to anyone. We're humans. We HAVE to do better for each other. Most of this world, and what feels like even more so here in the U.S., has become a terrible place because people want to control other people.
So no, I don't care if the person likes to play the game. If they're that hateful, take it all away.
As to the conduct in this thread, nothing I see here rises to the level of being a bannable offense. People throw around the "be consistent" thing all the time, but here in the real world there's such a thing as discretion. Even when the strict letter of the law is broken, there are degrees of problematic behavior, and some can be safely ignored, some deserve a warning, some deserve forum time out, some draw permanent forum bans, and some draw game account bans. Given what happens on the forums every day, if Miike drew the ban hammer, the OP must have gone way over the line.
Moderators everywhere must exercise judgment. I have been given forum warnings myself in the past. I didn't always agree with them, but I recognize the moderators have a difficult job, and discretion when it comes to warnings and bans have very blurry lines. I have never gone anywhere near the line that would get me permanently banned from the forums or any sort of ban from the game, nor do I have any desire to do so. It would never occur to me to do any of those things, and frankly the idea that such behavior should be normalized, like hey, its occasionally going to happen to the best of us, is something I don't subscribe to. Nobody accidentally trips and becomes a horrible person on their way to the sidewalk.
There's a line that if you cross it there's only two possibilities: they did it deliberately in which case they're a monster. Or they did it accidentally in which case we should presume they'll be doing it over and over again because they are an idiot. In either case, a strict punitive response is warranted. Honestly, they are lucky they were not permanently banned. I personally cannot imagine anything that would cause me to want to ban a player from the game for abusive conduct, that I would judge as worthy of a thirty day ban. There's a week for something that rides the line but needs action taken. And then there's nuke from orbit, and by all means stand there and let the door hit you on the way out, because I intend for that door to be moving at hypersonic speed when it strikes.
Miike was probably more merciful than I would have been.
Again, ANYONE who uses hate speech should be automatically perma banned in game and on forums past, present and future. Whether they were in the past doesn't matter because it's already in the past. This isn't a court of law and precedent doesn't matter here. It's obvious what side you're fighting for though.