The point I'm making is it was a mistaken comment, as per the most recent clarification. We can either hold them over a fire, or accept the fact that mistakes can happen despite diligence. It's not that common of an occurrence, and there could be many reason behind the mistake that don't automatically imply them changing their say to suit their purpose. All I know is I have AA at R5, and none of the reasons I Ranked him involved bypassing Debuff Immunity.
Don't forget that this lead to other players to rank-up AA as they were informed AA is working as intended. It is good that they admitted about the misinformation, but they should be also responsible on the result that this has lead to players. Players deserve specific RDT, just like Brian Grant said in his video.
I don't agree that it warrants Tickets for a few reasons. Mainly because I think they are counterintuitive to what the game is designed for. Mostly because it's not a significant change to how AA is intended to function. If people Ranked for that purpose alone, quite frankly they don't know what his use is.
Would I be mad? No. If something is a bug, then it's a bug. I'm a lot more focused on the actual issue than someone's mistaken comment. I'm not operating on fuelling mistrust and suspicion. Whether the comment was incorrect or not is inconsequential at this point. It was a bug.
You are missing the point. It's only a "bug" because they now tell us it is one. At no point has it ever been pointed out as a bug; in fact, quite the opposite. It was specifically listed as NOT a bug by a forum moderator. In fact, there is a thread in the Bug and Known Issues Forum that is stickied at the top entitled "Known Issues." If this was known to the devs as a bug all this time, why has it never been up there as a known issue?
So it's a "bug" when it becomes convenient for them to say it is one, allowing them to get around saying "we're changing one of this character's abilities because it is too strong" and getting the "NEEEERRFFFF!!!" outrage from everyone. Except the community (well, just about everyone but you) sees through this.
If you don't see that then you are really blind to reality. Oh wait, as your post history on this forum has shown time and time again...you are.
Ultimately, what their intention for Champs is, is entirely up to them. Whatever contradicts their vision is a bug. That's pretty much subjective all-around. All the talk about nerfs is blind to the fact that it's their call when they want to change their product.
However, I am not blind to the feelings people have. I get it. It's just worth pointing out when people are getting carried away. The fact of the matter is, it isn't what their intended goal is for him, whatever breakdown in communication there is.
I'm sorry to report that a moderator gave you incorrect information when this was first reported. We know how important it is for us to be sure that we are giving you the most accurate information that we possibly can.
This was a bug, and although it was a long standing one, it doesn't mean that we didn't have to fix it. Archangel’s Stun was not acting like every other stun in the game.
The issue with having a Stun that does not act like a debuff is that it was causing a lot of problems, and with more new content and modes being added, this was becoming a bigger and bigger problem. Archangel was not only able to bypass Stun Immune nodes, but his stun would bypass other Champions abilities, like Agent Venom's Tenacity or Black Panther (Civil War)'s Reflect Stun, as well as not interact with Masteries like Willpower.
With this interaction becoming more and more prevalent in different game modes, we started seeing more of these problems come up, and this bug was one that became more of a priority.
We don’t have any plans to distribute Rank Down tickets as this is resolving a bug and not changing an intended fundamental Champion mechanic in a significant way.
You SHOULD give character specific rank down tickets for him since you're changing something that was used a lot. Since it was stated that it wasn't a bug, i took my 5* to r4 and pumped sig stones into him.
I'd like the option to rank him down.
Only it IS a bug. They don't give Tickets for bug fixes, and they don't come for all changes to Champs. Major changes would potentially qualify. We haven't seen alterations like those since 12.0.
Didn't realize it was you with the pic change. Nice choice.
Let's say this has been a bug all along. Kabam (or really rather, the player) has operated under a false comment from a moderator (who supposedly consults with other parts of the company). I think the issue is misinformation. From our side, it wasnt a bug, added to his power, then taken away. This isnt a MAJOR change, but it is (IMO) slightly higher than a minor change. but either way it is a change to his potential use.
It's not much of a "let's say" situation. It was a bug. It's pretty clear AA is not intended to Stun through Immunity. I don't want to get too much into comments from Moderation out of respect, but I feel that the mistake has been exaggerated. People make mistakes. It's not a comment that has been repeatedly made. Someone did some digging to find it, from a while ago.
AA's use is nowhere near exclusive to that, and we all know it. The real issue is people are upset something was commented that was mistaken. Regardless of our standards on Moderation, they are people, just like us. It's also possible the comment meant that the Parry was working as intended, but I can't speak for Wolf. For argument's sake we'll say the comment was mistaken. They are just as capable of mistakes as we are. As it so happens, it is a bug, and even if people Ranked for that reason, they still benefited from it. Now it's being fixed. No Dev would likely leave a bug active in contradiction to their intended design based on the fact that people Ranked to use it. If people Ranked AA based on that one bug alone, I would be skeptical, or suspicious of their understanding of his full use.
So many issues here. Miike confirmed that we were misinformed so there is no need to interpret or assume "for agument's sake." It is not "pretty clear AA is not intended" etc. His description says 100% chance to stun. Stun immune has 100% chance to not stun. One has to trump the other. Since we were told he was working as intended how can it be clear that it was a bug? And whether or not it was actually a bug or not is irrelevant. We were told that it was not a bug so functionally this is a nerf and a change in his abilities. Telling us we were misinformed doesn't change the reality of how we operated based on that misinformation. Kabam should take responsibility for the misinformation and treat this as though they were changing his ability rather than fixing a bug.
It's pretty clear AA is not intended to Stun through Immunity.
Was this "pretty clear" to you prior to Wolf's post in January or after?
It was pretty clear to me all along. Nothing about AA's breakdown would enable him to Stun through Debuff Immunity.
So you believed he was bugged after the announcement that he wasn't? 100% chance to stun isn't something in his description? Gotta say I'm not buying it lol.
The issue is not the fact that Wolf was mistaken.
Months ago we were given incorrect info, and that's understandable.
The issue is that this change came out of the blue, and up to this point no one ever corrected the info.
the fact that this change was implemented without informing the players beforehand is the problem everyone complains about
How is this different than any other bug fix? They let us know when a resolution is being pushed.
i'm not sure what you mean here. let me try again:
for months, kabam knew this was a bug.
during all these months, they had planned to fix it.
during all these months, they knew the playerbase understood this bug as being "working as intended".
during all these months, they never bothered to correct the information.
that last part is the real problem. not the fact that we were misinformed, but the fact that they knew it and fixed the bug without correcting the misinformation
We can't say what they were and were not aware of, simply because we can't speak for them. Also, the people responsible for fixing said bugs aren't responsible for moderating the Forum, perse. They may check the section, but I doubt they are in the business of clarifying Threads. This has become more blown up than is necessary. Miscommunication does not imply months of careless deceit. Honestly, people get a charge out of any mistake made.
Yes, we can. Miike talks about it becoming progressively more and more of a problem in different game modes. They didn't just decide to "fix" this last week. Obviously they knew what they told us and didn't correct it until the fix was in place. You're way off this time bro.
Shrugged off, what do you propose? It was a bug, a Moderator apologized for the miscommuncation, and it's being resolved. I don't see much room for anything else. The way I see it, people have been benefitting from an unintended bug for months, so there really is no need for some sort of compensation. What more could be said? They can't really do much else.
hey we messed up where working on improving our way comuncating with u guys in the future we understand ur frustrations and will get back to u with the results of our work
any statement like this would atleast show they care and
acknowledge that there current system is messed up and that there working on improving it instead we get dead silence
It wasn't even noticed until now. Probably because they can't keep track of every Thread on a mental basis. They're doing a job. Which means they're focused on their responsibilities. After hundreds a day, you couldn't expect me to recall every word from months ago. There's a whole lack of understanding and compassion going on here. We expect perfection and we become righteously indignant when something slips through the cracks. Ever have a bad day? Ever lose track of something? Ever get focused on something else and lose your place?
Come on now.
It wasn't just a random comment made by a Mod. It was an answer to a question in "bugs and known issues" which they not only answered but resolved and closed the thread by marking it "not a bug."
People are entitled to make mistakes, it's how you deal with those mistakes that shows integrity.
Integrity would be either letting the player base know as soon as a mistake is discovered or allowing people to have time to process the results of the error along with a fairly heartfelt apology for an obvious screwup.
This decision lacks integrity no matter how its spun.
A: Checked with design team and posted that AA was working as intended.
B: Failed to check with whoever is supposed to be consulted and as a result posted incorrect information.
I prefer C: We need to change it for whatever reason but we won't tell anyone until the last minute.
All three of those options are to the detriment of the players as of 18.1 and there is no way that this decision was not known well before the patchnote release.
There is another option which is most likely...
Wolf took it to the team... they gave him an answer he misunderstood.
He then posted as what he thought was correct.
Meanwhile the dev team worked behind the scenes to fix the bug.
Nownthe bug team have said hey we have a fix for that AA bug you told us about months ago....
The mods said... bug??? I thought ther was no bug???...
ah **** looks like we made an error....
It's pretty clear AA is not intended to Stun through Immunity.
Was this "pretty clear" to you prior to Wolf's post in January or after?
It was pretty clear to me all along. Nothing about AA's breakdown would enable him to Stun through Debuff Immunity.
So you believed he was bugged after the announcement that he wasn't? 100% chance to stun isn't something in his description? Gotta say I'm not buying it lol.
Buy what you like. I never gave it a second thought. TBH, I never even realized it existed until now. Wasn't explicitly looking for it.
You didn't know it existed until now and never gave it a second thought but you knew he was bugged all along? Hmmm....
I knew all along that he shouldn't be able to Stun through Immunity, that much is logical. Hence I know it's a bug. Perhaps if this community was a little less focused on the wording of comments, we could have a discussion about the actual issue, rather than who said what and who didn't say what. At this point, we're debating comments and not changes.
You didn't know it existed until now and never gave it a second thought but you knew he was bugged all along? Hmmm....
I knew all along that he shouldn't be able to Stun through Immunity, that much is logical. Hence I know it's a bug. Perhaps if this community was a little less focused on the wording of comments, we could have a discussion about the actual issue, rather than who said what and who didn't say what. At this point, we're debating comments and not changes.
Maybe if you didn’t have to force your opinion on every. Single. Person in this forum we could have a reasonable debate but instead you try and act all-knowing while frowning upon those that don’t share your view.
Kabam is not an entity. One person made a comment that was mistaken, that was dug up from 6 months ago, and here we are still dragging it out about how "abysmal" they handled it. If that isn't an exaggeration, I'll eat my hat.
You didn't know it existed until now and never gave it a second thought but you knew he was bugged all along? Hmmm....
I knew all along that he shouldn't be able to Stun through Immunity, that much is logical. Hence I know it's a bug. Perhaps if this community was a little less focused on the wording of comments, we could have a discussion about the actual issue, rather than who said what and who didn't say what. At this point, we're debating comments and not changes.
Maybe if you didn’t have to force your opinion on every. Single. Person in this forum we could have a reasonable debate but instead you try and act all-knowing while frowning upon those that don’t share your view.
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm expressing my viewpoint. I don't have to agree, and I don't demand people share my view.
I'm sorry to report that a moderator gave you incorrect information when this was first reported. We know how important it is for us to be sure that we are giving you the most accurate information that we possibly can.
This was a bug, and although it was a long standing one, it doesn't mean that we didn't have to fix it. Archangel’s Stun was not acting like every other stun in the game.
The issue with having a Stun that does not act like a debuff is that it was causing a lot of problems, and with more new content and modes being added, this was becoming a bigger and bigger problem. Archangel was not only able to bypass Stun Immune nodes, but his stun would bypass other Champions abilities, like Agent Venom's Tenacity or Black Panther (Civil War)'s Reflect Stun, as well as not interact with Masteries like Willpower.
With this interaction becoming more and more prevalent in different game modes, we started seeing more of these problems come up, and this bug was one that became more of a priority.
We don’t have any plans to distribute Rank Down tickets as this is resolving a bug and not changing an intended fundamental Champion mechanic in a significant way.
I'm sorry but this is rubbish, I personally took up my AA to 5/65 to use him for 100% LOL the stun from neurotoxin makes a huge difference in LOL with extremely limited opportunities for stuns.
This was Confirmed months ago in a thread that it was NOT a bug as such I took the companies feedback as gospel, I'm now left with a champion @ 5/65 that will not perform as intended for the specific content I ranked him up for.
Rank down tickets SHOULD be given out for anyone with an AA at 5/65 at minimum, I would suggest you issue 5* AA only RDTs as it only effects those who intended to do LOL with him.
Kabam is not an entity. One person made a comment that was mistaken, that was dug up from 6 months ago, and here we are still dragging it out about how "abysmal" they handled it. If that isn't an exaggeration, I'll eat my hat.
Lmao. There is a section of the forum for reporting bugs. Someone reported it. An employee of Kabam whose job it is to do this sort of thing checked on it with the game team, came back and labeled it as “not a bug.” This isn’t “one person making a comment.” You have a not willing to be wrong thing that needs attention.
You didn't know it existed until now and never gave it a second thought but you knew he was bugged all along? Hmmm....
I knew all along that he shouldn't be able to Stun through Immunity, that much is logical. Hence I know it's a bug. Perhaps if this community was a little less focused on the wording of comments, we could have a discussion about the actual issue, rather than who said what and who didn't say what. At this point, we're debating comments and not changes.
Except.... I said "Let's say" to try and convey that I don't believe it, but let's talk your viewpoint and instead of countering it, you harped on let's say and its not really a let's say moment. get out of here with wanting to talk about the issue.
This just sets the precedent that Kabam can change any champ, say it was a bug and mistake from a mod, and nerf champs w/o compensation. Just wait until Blade shutting down nodes is a "bug" in a few months. That'll cripple the game.
@GroundedWisdom I personally disagree with every single thing you've said.
But I'm not gonna clug up this thread on account of that. Nor am I going to attack you personally.
I'm gonna just say 1 thing and share my POV.
They CAN make mistakes. They ARE humans. This doesn't mean that their mistake can go unpunished or without retribution. If it was my company I'd acknowledge the mistake but wouldn't act over my costumers. I'd give them something to remind them I still care about them and that I want to keep them as costumers. Even if I'm not planning on changing my ways, I need to devise a strategy to keep the costumer happy.
Even if the miscommunication was ok (which it isn't) we should get something that shows there are consequences to mistakes. Even if they are little mistakes (which this isn't).
They just need to act a little humble towards us, and that's it. Maybe this means RDT maybe it doesn't. I don't care what it is as long as it is SOMETHING.
Before anyone else spends their time, effort and money on ranking and powering up Blade, can someone officially please clarify if the fact he overrides nodes (e.g. Danger Sense making him bleed/poison immune on nodes inflicting such debuffs), sort of Archangel’s “bug” reversal, is also considered a bug now?
Nothing stopping them now, right?
I don’t want to go in that direction, there were 2 mistakes done in this AA affair besides the original misinformation, which was bad but hey we are all humans. Honestly I am just trying to avoid that same happens with “not logical” Blade node override abilities, cause the community investment on Blade is on a very different scale:
1. We should have been informed right away when AA toxin stun overriding stun/debuff immune was considered a bug and scheduled to be fixed, so everyone was aware of such change before investing on him. Devs know (or should have know) this was a major attack ability change.
2. Due to the official “not a bug” label, wrongly set or not, this indeed is an ability nerf “post-buy” and owners should have the chance to revert their investment. Such mistake should imply some sort of refund and AFAIK 12.0 Rank down tickets (refunding gold too) were developed for this.
IMHO Blade abilities are much more design restricting that AA toxin stun and if something is going to be done regarding that we better know it ASAP.
@Kabam Miike I need to understand 2 things from your post and please clear me on this
Now if I fight with AA against Black Panther Civil after neurotoxins expire I get stunned cause that’s BP civil ability ?
Regarding Agent Venom Tenacity read closely AA abilities
Passive: AA Ability Accuracy can not be decreased by his opponents abilities
That in particular means that after a neurotoxin expire AA 100% chance to stun for 1.5 seconds can’t be shut down
So please be very explicit on this part cause I want to know if my rank 5 5* Archangel becomes **** now after I invested all I’ve got with hard work in him to help me pass some events or nodes more easy.
Facts!!!!! Was pretty sure his ability accuracy should not be able to be lowered
Since the game team appears reluctant to wade back into the miasma that is the rationale for the AA "fix," would it be too much to ask for the game team to come on and explain precisely how the neurotoxin/stun mechanic is supposed to work, with reference to specific matchups? In another thread, Miike commented that
"since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit."
What do we make of all this? Is this a moving target? How do we square AA's irresistible force ("ability accuracy cannot be decreased by his opponents' abilities") with something like the immoveable object that is CWBP's stun reflect? What about other champs' ability accuracy when met with AA's abilities? Do they still work the same way or do some of them now bypass AA's ability? What attributes does the game team want to keep/discard? When will we know? Where will it be disclosed?
Not trying to make light. Miike and Wolf are the ones who threw all of this into the blender. Someone official (read: not a know-it-all forums denizen) needs to sort it all out.
@Kabam Miike I need to understand 2 things from your post and please clear me on this
Now if I fight with AA against Black Panther Civil after neurotoxins expire I get stunned cause that’s BP civil ability ?
Regarding Agent Venom Tenacity read closely AA abilities
Passive: AA Ability Accuracy can not be decreased by his opponents abilities
That in particular means that after a neurotoxin expire AA 100% chance to stun for 1.5 seconds can’t be shut down
So please be very explicit on this part cause I want to know if my rank 5 5* Archangel becomes **** now after I invested all I’ve got with hard work in him to help me pass some events or nodes more easy.
If the Neurotoxin expires on Black Panther (Civil War) and causes a Stun while you are attacking him, it can reflect the Stun back to you. This is still a rare occurence.
Agent Venom's Tenacity gives him a chance to shrug off the Stun from the Neurotoxin. So, he would still become stunned, but then might tenacity it away, like he does with every stun. This is not a reduction to anybody's ability accuracy.
If you knew this is bug (even tho we asked and you said it doesn't) and you knew it's a question of time and priorities until you get it fix, why didn't you say anything? don't you think the players should know?
Why didn't you put anything in the "BUGS AND KNOWN ISSUES > known issues" thread?
we must know this things, especially with many champs that their description is already confusing.
can you create a new "sticky" thread with all the champs that has a confirmed bug?
for example:
Drax first medium hit against evade, is it a bug?
The way blade and danger sense interact with poison\bleed\other nodes, is it a bug?
@Kabam Miike I need to understand 2 things from your post and please clear me on this
Now if I fight with AA against Black Panther Civil after neurotoxins expire I get stunned cause that’s BP civil ability ?
Regarding Agent Venom Tenacity read closely AA abilities
Passive: AA Ability Accuracy can not be decreased by his opponents abilities
That in particular means that after a neurotoxin expire AA 100% chance to stun for 1.5 seconds can’t be shut down
So please be very explicit on this part cause I want to know if my rank 5 5* Archangel becomes **** now after I invested all I’ve got with hard work in him to help me pass some events or nodes more easy.
If the Neurotoxin expires on Black Panther (Civil War) and causes a Stun while you are attacking him, it can reflect the Stun back to you. This is still a rare occurence.
Agent Venom's Tenacity gives him a chance to shrug off the Stun from the Neurotoxin. So, he would still become stunned, but then might tenacity it away, like he does with every stun. This is not a reduction to anybody's ability accuracy.
So if aa got an adjustment then can others get some too like the old Champs that are useless like spider Gwen, ant man, Iron patriot, and such then?
Some ppl are not happy about the AA "nerf" cause of misinformation given by a kabam employee that should know better and check with his superiors before telling ppl it's working as intended.
This would offset the negativity caused kabam wolfs mistake of giving us bad information
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Ultimately, what their intention for Champs is, is entirely up to them. Whatever contradicts their vision is a bug. That's pretty much subjective all-around. All the talk about nerfs is blind to the fact that it's their call when they want to change their product.
However, I am not blind to the feelings people have. I get it. It's just worth pointing out when people are getting carried away. The fact of the matter is, it isn't what their intended goal is for him, whatever breakdown in communication there is.
So many issues here. Miike confirmed that we were misinformed so there is no need to interpret or assume "for agument's sake." It is not "pretty clear AA is not intended" etc. His description says 100% chance to stun. Stun immune has 100% chance to not stun. One has to trump the other. Since we were told he was working as intended how can it be clear that it was a bug? And whether or not it was actually a bug or not is irrelevant. We were told that it was not a bug so functionally this is a nerf and a change in his abilities. Telling us we were misinformed doesn't change the reality of how we operated based on that misinformation. Kabam should take responsibility for the misinformation and treat this as though they were changing his ability rather than fixing a bug.
So you believed he was bugged after the announcement that he wasn't? 100% chance to stun isn't something in his description? Gotta say I'm not buying it lol.
Yes, we can. Miike talks about it becoming progressively more and more of a problem in different game modes. They didn't just decide to "fix" this last week. Obviously they knew what they told us and didn't correct it until the fix was in place. You're way off this time bro.
It wasn't just a random comment made by a Mod. It was an answer to a question in "bugs and known issues" which they not only answered but resolved and closed the thread by marking it "not a bug."
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/251553#Comment_251553
There is another option which is most likely...
Wolf took it to the team... they gave him an answer he misunderstood.
He then posted as what he thought was correct.
Meanwhile the dev team worked behind the scenes to fix the bug.
Nownthe bug team have said hey we have a fix for that AA bug you told us about months ago....
The mods said... bug??? I thought ther was no bug???...
ah **** looks like we made an error....
Buy what you like. I never gave it a second thought. TBH, I never even realized it existed until now. Wasn't explicitly looking for it.
Maybe if you didn’t have to force your opinion on every. Single. Person in this forum we could have a reasonable debate but instead you try and act all-knowing while frowning upon those that don’t share your view.
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm expressing my viewpoint. I don't have to agree, and I don't demand people share my view.
I'm sorry but this is rubbish, I personally took up my AA to 5/65 to use him for 100% LOL the stun from neurotoxin makes a huge difference in LOL with extremely limited opportunities for stuns.
This was Confirmed months ago in a thread that it was NOT a bug as such I took the companies feedback as gospel, I'm now left with a champion @ 5/65 that will not perform as intended for the specific content I ranked him up for.
Rank down tickets SHOULD be given out for anyone with an AA at 5/65 at minimum, I would suggest you issue 5* AA only RDTs as it only effects those who intended to do LOL with him.
Lmao. There is a section of the forum for reporting bugs. Someone reported it. An employee of Kabam whose job it is to do this sort of thing checked on it with the game team, came back and labeled it as “not a bug.” This isn’t “one person making a comment.” You have a not willing to be wrong thing that needs attention.
Didn’t you guys also sell the archangel featured grandmaster crystals (death seed crystal) shortly after saying he wasn’t bugged?
People will have spent money and used resources based on your bad information.
Except.... I said "Let's say" to try and convey that I don't believe it, but let's talk your viewpoint and instead of countering it, you harped on let's say and its not really a let's say moment. get out of here with wanting to talk about the issue.
Yes they did. I bought an Odin to get him from his FGMs. Used my 5.4 generic on him and brought him to r4.
They gave me information on the champ. Sold me that champ. Told me that originally information was "wrong". Told be to deal with it.
Just terrible.
But I'm not gonna clug up this thread on account of that. Nor am I going to attack you personally.
I'm gonna just say 1 thing and share my POV.
They CAN make mistakes. They ARE humans. This doesn't mean that their mistake can go unpunished or without retribution. If it was my company I'd acknowledge the mistake but wouldn't act over my costumers. I'd give them something to remind them I still care about them and that I want to keep them as costumers. Even if I'm not planning on changing my ways, I need to devise a strategy to keep the costumer happy.
Even if the miscommunication was ok (which it isn't) we should get something that shows there are consequences to mistakes. Even if they are little mistakes (which this isn't).
They just need to act a little humble towards us, and that's it. Maybe this means RDT maybe it doesn't. I don't care what it is as long as it is SOMETHING.
I don’t want to go in that direction, there were 2 mistakes done in this AA affair besides the original misinformation, which was bad but hey we are all humans. Honestly I am just trying to avoid that same happens with “not logical” Blade node override abilities, cause the community investment on Blade is on a very different scale:
1. We should have been informed right away when AA toxin stun overriding stun/debuff immune was considered a bug and scheduled to be fixed, so everyone was aware of such change before investing on him. Devs know (or should have know) this was a major attack ability change.
2. Due to the official “not a bug” label, wrongly set or not, this indeed is an ability nerf “post-buy” and owners should have the chance to revert their investment. Such mistake should imply some sort of refund and AFAIK 12.0 Rank down tickets (refunding gold too) were developed for this.
IMHO Blade abilities are much more design restricting that AA toxin stun and if something is going to be done regarding that we better know it ASAP.
Facts!!!!! Was pretty sure his ability accuracy should not be able to be lowered
"since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit."
What do we make of all this? Is this a moving target? How do we square AA's irresistible force ("ability accuracy cannot be decreased by his opponents' abilities") with something like the immoveable object that is CWBP's stun reflect? What about other champs' ability accuracy when met with AA's abilities? Do they still work the same way or do some of them now bypass AA's ability? What attributes does the game team want to keep/discard? When will we know? Where will it be disclosed?
Not trying to make light. Miike and Wolf are the ones who threw all of this into the blender. Someone official (read: not a know-it-all forums denizen) needs to sort it all out.
Dr. Zola
If the Neurotoxin expires on Black Panther (Civil War) and causes a Stun while you are attacking him, it can reflect the Stun back to you. This is still a rare occurence.
Agent Venom's Tenacity gives him a chance to shrug off the Stun from the Neurotoxin. So, he would still become stunned, but then might tenacity it away, like he does with every stun. This is not a reduction to anybody's ability accuracy.
Why didn't you put anything in the "BUGS AND KNOWN ISSUES > known issues" thread?
we must know this things, especially with many champs that their description is already confusing.
can you create a new "sticky" thread with all the champs that has a confirmed bug?
for example:
Drax first medium hit against evade, is it a bug?
The way blade and danger sense interact with poison\bleed\other nodes, is it a bug?
So if aa got an adjustment then can others get some too like the old Champs that are useless like spider Gwen, ant man, Iron patriot, and such then?
Some ppl are not happy about the AA "nerf" cause of misinformation given by a kabam employee that should know better and check with his superiors before telling ppl it's working as intended.
This would offset the negativity caused kabam wolfs mistake of giving us bad information
Thnx