Witness the Great Revival! Act 6 Chapter 1 - Coming March 13th

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  • mostlyharmlessnmostlyharmlessn Posts: 840 ★★★
    doctorb said:

    So who is the special 6* hero for the best times? Anyone want to take a guest?

    I'm going with Iron Fist
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    edited March 11
    Bidzy7 said:

    xNig said:

    To be honest, the 5/6* gate doesn't affect the target playerbase that A6 is going after. If someone is badly affected by it, then they're most probably not in that target demographic of the community. A6 is tough, but definitely doable with a deep 5/6* roster. "Deep" meaning, 3-4 R5s + 8-10 R4s + ALOT of R3s ranked up for different reasons.

    From another perspective, having to lose the use of 4*s, means players will have to think of alternative methods to get past nodes instead of who they regularly use. An example being the Abomination + Biohazard + Nano Plague in this month's UC EQ. The common counters are Iceman, EF, and OR since you cannot use robots due to Nano Plague. If this node + champ combination were to be in A6, and we do not have a 5* variant of the above mentioned counters, what champion on our 5* roster can get past it? This opens up some creativity across the community since A6 SHOULD (big should) be testing every aspect of your roster and gameplay.

    However, that being said, I personally find that there could have been better ways around the gating of content to cater to more skilful players.

    I would argue you are wrong
    The target player base is essentially anyone who has completed all other aspects of the game.

    Now if we look at the rewards from that content and how your roster will benefit from it we have the following
    act 4 - enough t2a to r4/55 5000 5* shards
    Act 5 Completion - enough materials to r5/65 1 5* , 3-4 gem , 4 5* crystals and 5000 6* shards
    LoL Initial Run - enough 2ta to r4/55 plus 2 5* crystals
    Variant - a 4-5 gem, 3 2-3 gems, 3 3-4(2015) gem plus 2 5* crystals 2450 6* shards, 1/2 t5 basic


    Completing all of this doesn't even warrant a 6* crystal.
    you will have 8 5* crystals from all of this
    So lets say that you get good rng with the rank up gems and 5* crystals and have champions you feel worthy of r4 and r5

    You will have
    2 r5/65 Champions ( using the t2a from act 4 to r4 a champion then the completion rewards from act 5 to r5 that champion. Using the 3-4 gem from act 5 then using the 4-5 gem from variant)
    4 r4/55 champions ( using the 3 2015 gems from variant and the t2a from LoL)

    The above situation is however highly rng dependent and i am chaining the rank up gems to get to the above scenario.

    If i simply focused on completing these things and then going on to act 6. I would have 8 5* champions to use.
    There are some people who only enjoy the storymode aspect of the game and don't do the pvp aspect of a game. These guys would not be able to do act 6 so they would quit.

    Now obviously the above situation would only apply to a small percentage.

    Now looking at those who do EQ, AW and AQ maybe even grind Arena for shards and Milestones.
    what extra rewards could they expect to get
    UC EQ gives 2500 6* shards, 7500 5* shards, 1/3 t2a, 1/4 t5 basic

    so lets say if a person completed this and other stuff in a Month they would get the following
    2 5* Crystals ( AW, Heroic and Master EQ, Calendar logins and arena prizes)
    2500 6*
    1 t2a ( assuming they buy from glory store, get good drops from AQ etc)
    1/4 t5 Basic.

    Now for a player to add another r5/65 champion to their roster it will take them
    10 months because of t2a. However lets say over that period we get some free t2a from calendar login rewards. Well the earliest they could do it would be 8 months because of the t5 basics.

    To r4/55 it will take 4 months. so adding another 4-6 r4 to our 4 already will take 16-24 months

    So for a player to have 3 r5/65 and 8 r4/55 they would need to spend 24 months to acquire the resources.
    Even if we assume that from the time they play they have the ability to farm all the resource. It will take a player 2 years to have the roster to do act 6 based on what roster you think people should have to do it. This is even before we throw in the rng of the crystals and pulling champions that would actually be worthy of taking to r4 and above, as well as the rng with the rank up gems and having a champ in that class to take upto r4 or r5.

    Based on how long it takes to get the materials I would say you can complete all other aspect of the game and not have the roster you think you should going into act 6. That to me doesn't seem right.

    The only way to reduce that is to buy the offers.

    Going onto your second point about using alternatives. You give a good example with the abomination of this UC EQ.
    To get past him you need certain champs Iceman for example. If you don't have him or the others what are your alternatives solutions. Well i can only thing of 2 more 1 is use quake, but again this a dependent on you having a certain champion. The other option really is to try and nuke him down quicker then you die, reviving up and repeating. Again some champions will do better in this tactic then others sparky vs a colossus.
    So this isn't skill based it is having the right champ to get past very specific content. Now if he was in Act 6 he would be like a UC EQ boss with health and attack a lot higher. Getting past him without the champion would be impossible without reviving up a lot as his damage will shred through your health at that difficulty. Imagine a whole path of Bio-Hazard Nano nodes, which we can expect based on act5 and variant as we often have paths that are bio-hazard. I personally pulled a Iceman the other day so can handle this obstacle, however that was 2 years after he was released. Say this content was released 2 years ago. It would take me 2 years of opening crystals to have a champion to counter this path. ( I don't have any of the other champions at 5* to counter it) in order for me to do it. So because my luck is bad i am not allowed/able to do this path in a way that doesn't require me to throw a plethora of revives and health potions at it.

    The only way i could increase the number of crystals i open after all the other methods is to buy them.

    So I see this gate as a way to punish bad pulls, punish people who can't spend the majority of their time playing the game. Punish players for not spending more to get more crystals and get resources quicker and so not having the depth of roster they need.

    A r2 4* is on par with a maxed out 3*. Getting a 4* to r3 is easy so naturally we all phased out 3* . Currently the game is not suited to this when it comes to 4 and 5*. A r3 5* is the same as a maxed out 4*. To get a 5* to r4 is hard to do. So naturally the game is not in a state where we have all naturally phased out 4* because they are still relevant for majority of players.
    I agree with the majority of your points. However, you are also missing the passing of “time” where (before and after today) 5/6* shards are rampantly more easily accessible. A year back, 5*s were once a month openings. Today, you get 2-3 at the very least monthly, assuming we don’t have extra side quests which we have been having consistently and frequently.

    In addition, since A5 was released that enabled players to get their first 5/65, it has been about 2 years and we are looking at 3-4 R5s and lots more R4s due to the higher availability of rank up materials.

    For players who aren’t interested in joining an alliance and are interested in story mode only, it is natural that their progress is slower than those who do. Alliance events are mainly a trade off between effort and rewards.

    As you mentioned with regards to the Biohazard Nano Plague Abom, you were saying the only viable counter you could think of was Quake besides the obvious counter of Iceman. What about Dorm? A duped Corvus (since he can’t die from poison)? Rulk (10 heat charges hitting into block and taking Abom down ASAP)? Nebula (with her ability to shrug off shocks)? Ghost?

    I’m sure there are others whom I’ve not thought of. However, amongst the options, there are some who have been out for years. They might not be “god tier” so people might not think of ranking them up but they are viable options. (I even ranked up OML to deal with Morningstar 😊)

    As you mentioned, getting a 4* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally phased out 3*s. Similarly, getting a 5* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally... phase out 4*s?

    I disagree with the decision of roster gating A6, but I can also see certain reasons why Kabam might want to do that. As such, rather than vehemently opposing it, a calmer, more logical approach would be to wait for 6.1 to drop in 2 days, look at the maps then figure out how to work a way around it.

    From how I see it, it might potentially spark a lot of discussion within the community on how to handle certain node and champ combinations using the limited roster that each individual player has. (Using the UC Abom example again, the obvious answer to counter him would be Iceman. But what’s the fun in that? It’s boring because the counters are so outrightly obvious. 😂)
  • TheSquish671TheSquish671 Posts: 2,825 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    Just to add, you're only looking at the first half of my reply. Read the second half as well.

    It's EXACTLY because you can possibly do A6 with all your god tier 5/50s that the developers want to shift that reliance away from them and allow you to be creative to think of alternative methods to get past opponents.

    But using god tier 4*s IS the alternative method to get past the opponents
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    xNig said:

    I hope someone is actually listening to the voices of the community, because lately (as in the last year+) it doesn't seem like you are

    While I do not consider myself a whale (i'm more of a large tuna), i have spent a decent amount of money on this game. I have a rather fleshed out 5* roster, although my 6* are quite bad. I am very angry about the act 6 requirements as it pertains to a lot of summoners. The restrictions on 4* are unreasonable to say the least. I don't expect 4* to clear content, but the synergies help fill out the rosters. This is not only an unpopular more, but is quite frankly a move that is meant to give the whales an unfair advantage.

    It's totally fair for you to make money, but this is going too far.

    Please listen to most of the suggestions in the following video as it explains the position of the community in general far better than I could.



    Thank you

    Heard the first 2 suggestions and decided it wasn’t worth any attention.

    Lowe
    Bidzy7 said:

    xNig said:

    To be honest, the 5/6* gate doesn't affect the target playerbase that A6 is going after. If someone is badly affected by it, then they're most probably not in that target demographic of the community. A6 is tough, but definitely doable with a deep 5/6* roster. "Deep" meaning, 3-4 R5s + 8-10 R4s + ALOT of R3s ranked up for different reasons.

    From another perspective, having to lose the use of 4*s, means players will have to think of alternative methods to get past nodes instead of who they regularly use. An example being the Abomination + Biohazard + Nano Plague in this month's UC EQ. The common counters are Iceman, EF, and OR since you cannot use robots due to Nano Plague. If this node + champ combination were to be in A6, and we do not have a 5* variant of the above mentioned counters, what champion on our 5* roster can get past it? This opens up some creativity across the community since A6 SHOULD (big should) be testing every aspect of your roster and gameplay.

    However, that being said, I personally find that there could have been better ways around the gating of content to cater to more skilful players.

    I would argue you are wrong
    The target player base is essentially anyone who has completed all other aspects of the game.

    Now if we look at the rewards from that content and how your roster will benefit from it we have the following
    act 4 - enough t2a to r4/55 5000 5* shards
    Act 5 Completion - enough materials to r5/65 1 5* , 3-4 gem , 4 5* crystals and 5000 6* shards
    LoL Initial Run - enough 2ta to r4/55 plus 2 5* crystals
    Variant - a 4-5 gem, 3 2-3 gems, 3 3-4(2015) gem plus 2 5* crystals 2450 6* shards, 1/2 t5 basic


    Completing all of this doesn't even warrant a 6* crystal.
    you will have 8 5* crystals from all of this
    So lets say that you get good rng with the rank up gems and 5* crystals and have champions you feel worthy of r4 and r5

    You will have
    2 r5/65 Champions ( using the t2a from act 4 to r4 a champion then the completion rewards from act 5 to r5 that champion. Using the 3-4 gem from act 5 then using the 4-5 gem from variant)
    4 r4/55 champions ( using the 3 2015 gems from variant and the t2a from LoL)

    The above situation is however highly rng dependent and i am chaining the rank up gems to get to the above scenario.

    If i simply focused on completing these things and then going on to act 6. I would have 8 5* champions to use.
    There are some people who only enjoy the storymode aspect of the game and don't do the pvp aspect of a game. These guys would not be able to do act 6 so they would quit.

    Now obviously the above situation would only apply to a small percentage.

    Now looking at those who do EQ, AW and AQ maybe even grind Arena for shards and Milestones.
    what extra rewards could they expect to get
    UC EQ gives 2500 6* shards, 7500 5* shards, 1/3 t2a, 1/4 t5 basic

    so lets say if a person completed this and other stuff in a Month they would get the following
    2 5* Crystals ( AW, Heroic and Master EQ, Calendar logins and arena prizes)
    2500 6*
    1 t2a ( assuming they buy from glory store, get good drops from AQ etc)
    1/4 t5 Basic.

    Now for a player to add another r5/65 champion to their roster it will take them
    10 months because of t2a. However lets say over that period we get some free t2a from calendar login rewards. Well the earliest they could do it would be 8 months because of the t5 basics.

    To r4/55 it will take 4 months. so adding another 4-6 r4 to our 4 already will take 16-24 months

    So for a player to have 3 r5/65 and 8 r4/55 they would need to spend 24 months to acquire the resources.
    Even if we assume that from the time they play they have the ability to farm all the resource. It will take a player 2 years to have the roster to do act 6 based on what roster you think people should have to do it. This is even before we throw in the rng of the crystals and pulling champions that would actually be worthy of taking to r4 and above, as well as the rng with the rank up gems and having a champ in that class to take upto r4 or r5.

    Based on how long it takes to get the materials I would say you can complete all other aspect of the game and not have the roster you think you should going into act 6. That to me doesn't seem right.

    The only way to reduce that is to buy the offers.

    Going onto your second point about using alternatives. You give a good example with the abomination of this UC EQ.
    To get past him you need certain champs Iceman for example. If you don't have him or the others what are your alternatives solutions. Well i can only thing of 2 more 1 is use quake, but again this a dependent on you having a certain champion. The other option really is to try and nuke him down quicker then you die, reviving up and repeating. Again some champions will do better in this tactic then others sparky vs a colossus.
    So this isn't skill based it is having the right champ to get past very specific content. Now if he was in Act 6 he would be like a UC EQ boss with health and attack a lot higher. Getting past him without the champion would be impossible without reviving up a lot as his damage will shred through your health at that difficulty. Imagine a whole path of Bio-Hazard Nano nodes, which we can expect based on act5 and variant as we often have paths that are bio-hazard. I personally pulled a Iceman the other day so can handle this obstacle, however that was 2 years after he was released. Say this content was released 2 years ago. It would take me 2 years of opening crystals to have a champion to counter this path. ( I don't have any of the other champions at 5* to counter it) in order for me to do it. So because my luck is bad i am not allowed/able to do this path in a way that doesn't require me to throw a plethora of revives and health potions at it.

    The only way i could increase the number of crystals i open after all the other methods is to buy them.

    So I see this gate as a way to punish bad pulls, punish people who can't spend the majority of their time playing the game. Punish players for not spending more to get more crystals and get resources quicker and so not having the depth of roster they need.

    A r2 4* is on par with a maxed out 3*. Getting a 4* to r3 is easy so naturally we all phased out 3* . Currently the game is not suited to this when it comes to 4 and 5*. A r3 5* is the same as a maxed out 4*. To get a 5* to r4 is hard to do. So naturally the game is not in a state where we have all naturally phased out 4* because they are still relevant for majority of players.
    I agree with the majority of your points. However, you are also missing the passing of “time” where (before and after today) 5/6* shards are rampantly more easily accessible. A year back, 5*s were once a month openings. Today, you get 2-3 at the very least monthly, assuming we don’t have extra side quests which we have been having consistently and frequently.

    In addition, since A5 was released that enabled players to get their first 5/65, it has been about 2 years and we are looking at 3-4 R5s and lots more R4s due to the higher availability of rank up materials.

    For players who aren’t interested in joining an alliance and are interested in story mode only, it is natural that their progress is slower than those who do. Alliance events are mainly a trade off between effort and rewards.

    As you mentioned with regards to the Biohazard Nano Plague Abom, you were saying the only viable counter you could think of was Quake besides the obvious counter of Iceman. What about Dorm? A duped Corvus (since he can’t die from poison)? Rulk (10 heat charges hitting into block and taking Abom down ASAP)? Nebula (with her ability to shrug off shocks)? Ghost?

    I’m sure there are others whom I’ve not thought of. However, amongst the options, there are some who have been out for years. They might not be “god tier” so people might not think of ranking them up but they are viable options. (I even ranked up OML to deal with Morningstar 😊)

    As you mentioned, getting a 4* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally phased out 3*s. Similarly, getting a 5* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally... phase out 4*s?

    I disagree with the decision of roster gating A6, but I can also see certain reasons why Kabam might want to do that. As such, rather than vehemently opposing it, a calmer, more logical approach would be to wait for 6.1 to drop in 2 days, look at the maps then figure out how to work a way around it.

    From how I see it, it might potentially spark a lot of discussion within the community on how to handle certain node and champ combinations using the limited roster that each individual player has. (Using the UC Abom example again, the obvious answer to counter him would be Iceman. But what’s the fun in that? It’s boring because the counters are so outrightly obvious. 😂)
    I am sorry you dont have an Iceman.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    CapWW2 said:

    xNig said:

    I hope someone is actually listening to the voices of the community, because lately (as in the last year+) it doesn't seem like you are

    While I do not consider myself a whale (i'm more of a large tuna), i have spent a decent amount of money on this game. I have a rather fleshed out 5* roster, although my 6* are quite bad. I am very angry about the act 6 requirements as it pertains to a lot of summoners. The restrictions on 4* are unreasonable to say the least. I don't expect 4* to clear content, but the synergies help fill out the rosters. This is not only an unpopular more, but is quite frankly a move that is meant to give the whales an unfair advantage.

    It's totally fair for you to make money, but this is going too far.

    Please listen to most of the suggestions in the following video as it explains the position of the community in general far better than I could.



    Thank you

    Heard the first 2 suggestions and decided it wasn’t worth any attention.

    Lowe
    Bidzy7 said:

    xNig said:

    To be honest, the 5/6* gate doesn't affect the target playerbase that A6 is going after. If someone is badly affected by it, then they're most probably not in that target demographic of the community. A6 is tough, but definitely doable with a deep 5/6* roster. "Deep" meaning, 3-4 R5s + 8-10 R4s + ALOT of R3s ranked up for different reasons.

    From another perspective, having to lose the use of 4*s, means players will have to think of alternative methods to get past nodes instead of who they regularly use. An example being the Abomination + Biohazard + Nano Plague in this month's UC EQ. The common counters are Iceman, EF, and OR since you cannot use robots due to Nano Plague. If this node + champ combination were to be in A6, and we do not have a 5* variant of the above mentioned counters, what champion on our 5* roster can get past it? This opens up some creativity across the community since A6 SHOULD (big should) be testing every aspect of your roster and gameplay.

    However, that being said, I personally find that there could have been better ways around the gating of content to cater to more skilful players.

    I would argue you are wrong
    The target player base is essentially anyone who has completed all other aspects of the game.

    Now if we look at the rewards from that content and how your roster will benefit from it we have the following
    act 4 - enough t2a to r4/55 5000 5* shards
    Act 5 Completion - enough materials to r5/65 1 5* , 3-4 gem , 4 5* crystals and 5000 6* shards
    LoL Initial Run - enough 2ta to r4/55 plus 2 5* crystals
    Variant - a 4-5 gem, 3 2-3 gems, 3 3-4(2015) gem plus 2 5* crystals 2450 6* shards, 1/2 t5 basic


    Completing all of this doesn't even warrant a 6* crystal.
    you will have 8 5* crystals from all of this
    So lets say that you get good rng with the rank up gems and 5* crystals and have champions you feel worthy of r4 and r5

    You will have
    2 r5/65 Champions ( using the t2a from act 4 to r4 a champion then the completion rewards from act 5 to r5 that champion. Using the 3-4 gem from act 5 then using the 4-5 gem from variant)
    4 r4/55 champions ( using the 3 2015 gems from variant and the t2a from LoL)

    The above situation is however highly rng dependent and i am chaining the rank up gems to get to the above scenario.

    If i simply focused on completing these things and then going on to act 6. I would have 8 5* champions to use.
    There are some people who only enjoy the storymode aspect of the game and don't do the pvp aspect of a game. These guys would not be able to do act 6 so they would quit.

    Now obviously the above situation would only apply to a small percentage.

    Now looking at those who do EQ, AW and AQ maybe even grind Arena for shards and Milestones.
    what extra rewards could they expect to get
    UC EQ gives 2500 6* shards, 7500 5* shards, 1/3 t2a, 1/4 t5 basic

    so lets say if a person completed this and other stuff in a Month they would get the following
    2 5* Crystals ( AW, Heroic and Master EQ, Calendar logins and arena prizes)
    2500 6*
    1 t2a ( assuming they buy from glory store, get good drops from AQ etc)
    1/4 t5 Basic.

    Now for a player to add another r5/65 champion to their roster it will take them
    10 months because of t2a. However lets say over that period we get some free t2a from calendar login rewards. Well the earliest they could do it would be 8 months because of the t5 basics.

    To r4/55 it will take 4 months. so adding another 4-6 r4 to our 4 already will take 16-24 months

    So for a player to have 3 r5/65 and 8 r4/55 they would need to spend 24 months to acquire the resources.
    Even if we assume that from the time they play they have the ability to farm all the resource. It will take a player 2 years to have the roster to do act 6 based on what roster you think people should have to do it. This is even before we throw in the rng of the crystals and pulling champions that would actually be worthy of taking to r4 and above, as well as the rng with the rank up gems and having a champ in that class to take upto r4 or r5.

    Based on how long it takes to get the materials I would say you can complete all other aspect of the game and not have the roster you think you should going into act 6. That to me doesn't seem right.

    The only way to reduce that is to buy the offers.

    Going onto your second point about using alternatives. You give a good example with the abomination of this UC EQ.
    To get past him you need certain champs Iceman for example. If you don't have him or the others what are your alternatives solutions. Well i can only thing of 2 more 1 is use quake, but again this a dependent on you having a certain champion. The other option really is to try and nuke him down quicker then you die, reviving up and repeating. Again some champions will do better in this tactic then others sparky vs a colossus.
    So this isn't skill based it is having the right champ to get past very specific content. Now if he was in Act 6 he would be like a UC EQ boss with health and attack a lot higher. Getting past him without the champion would be impossible without reviving up a lot as his damage will shred through your health at that difficulty. Imagine a whole path of Bio-Hazard Nano nodes, which we can expect based on act5 and variant as we often have paths that are bio-hazard. I personally pulled a Iceman the other day so can handle this obstacle, however that was 2 years after he was released. Say this content was released 2 years ago. It would take me 2 years of opening crystals to have a champion to counter this path. ( I don't have any of the other champions at 5* to counter it) in order for me to do it. So because my luck is bad i am not allowed/able to do this path in a way that doesn't require me to throw a plethora of revives and health potions at it.

    The only way i could increase the number of crystals i open after all the other methods is to buy them.

    So I see this gate as a way to punish bad pulls, punish people who can't spend the majority of their time playing the game. Punish players for not spending more to get more crystals and get resources quicker and so not having the depth of roster they need.

    A r2 4* is on par with a maxed out 3*. Getting a 4* to r3 is easy so naturally we all phased out 3* . Currently the game is not suited to this when it comes to 4 and 5*. A r3 5* is the same as a maxed out 4*. To get a 5* to r4 is hard to do. So naturally the game is not in a state where we have all naturally phased out 4* because they are still relevant for majority of players.
    I agree with the majority of your points. However, you are also missing the passing of “time” where (before and after today) 5/6* shards are rampantly more easily accessible. A year back, 5*s were once a month openings. Today, you get 2-3 at the very least monthly, assuming we don’t have extra side quests which we have been having consistently and frequently.

    In addition, since A5 was released that enabled players to get their first 5/65, it has been about 2 years and we are looking at 3-4 R5s and lots more R4s due to the higher availability of rank up materials.

    For players who aren’t interested in joining an alliance and are interested in story mode only, it is natural that their progress is slower than those who do. Alliance events are mainly a trade off between effort and rewards.

    As you mentioned with regards to the Biohazard Nano Plague Abom, you were saying the only viable counter you could think of was Quake besides the obvious counter of Iceman. What about Dorm? A duped Corvus (since he can’t die from poison)? Rulk (10 heat charges hitting into block and taking Abom down ASAP)? Nebula (with her ability to shrug off shocks)? Ghost?

    I’m sure there are others whom I’ve not thought of. However, amongst the options, there are some who have been out for years. They might not be “god tier” so people might not think of ranking them up but they are viable options. (I even ranked up OML to deal with Morningstar 😊)

    As you mentioned, getting a 4* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally phased out 3*s. Similarly, getting a 5* to r3 is relatively easy so we naturally... phase out 4*s?

    I disagree with the decision of roster gating A6, but I can also see certain reasons why Kabam might want to do that. As such, rather than vehemently opposing it, a calmer, more logical approach would be to wait for 6.1 to drop in 2 days, look at the maps then figure out how to work a way around it.

    From how I see it, it might potentially spark a lot of discussion within the community on how to handle certain node and champ combinations using the limited roster that each individual player has. (Using the UC Abom example again, the obvious answer to counter him would be Iceman. But what’s the fun in that? It’s boring because the counters are so outrightly obvious. 😂)
    I am sorry you dont have an Iceman.
    Erm... I do. A R5 one. Lol
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★

    xNig said:

    Just to add, you're only looking at the first half of my reply. Read the second half as well.

    It's EXACTLY because you can possibly do A6 with all your god tier 5/50s that the developers want to shift that reliance away from them and allow you to be creative to think of alternative methods to get past opponents.

    But using god tier 4*s IS the alternative method to get past the opponents
    That’s the issue imo. We are so fixated with “god tier” champs that if we don’t have a 5* variant of that particular, we look to use our 4* variant to clear that node.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    Bfyffe28 said:

    I didn’t mean to hurt your little feelings. I know it’s bad to troll the trolls. I wouldn’t waste my time going point by point with most of your drivel, I’m just sick of seeing it. Thanks mate

    So you're either not willing or able to read and comprehend my comments and build your replies on that information?

    Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules.
    "Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules."

    Maybe take your own advice, hypocrite.
    He says while literally spamming the thread with a completely useless comment.

    To stay on topic, though, what is your view on this? Care to directly adress any of my or OP's points? No? Okay.
    Hilarious retort. Hollow, yet hilarious.
    Hollow as in containing no (contextually) valuable information? Hollow as in that comment of yours I just quoted?

    That's strike number two.

    Still interested in your opinion and reason, though. Feel free to maybe bring something useful into this.
    ignore this dude. He's a troll and doesn't know to what he speaks. Go work on that account Umbrerto instead of trolling on the forums.
    Nah, I'm already done with exploring the uc event quest and the intel missions all the way up to epic, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Would you be willing to share your thoughts on the actual topic at hand, though? That is if you have any.
    Most people are.... Your roster is quite weak as well maybe some arena would do you good... or a legends time attack? You're a troll and poor one at that.
    Actually, no. I presented points and you're free to reply to those. Maybe read up on what a troll actually is...? Because it's not "someone who makes me sad and angry online *sniff*".

    My roster is weak... so you suggest that I... should attempt a legends title...? You got some serious smarts there, mate.

    Care to share your opinion on the actual topic now? Otherwise, please stop spamming. It's pretty childish and uncalled for, not in a "this offends me" kind of way, but rather in a "this is so damn cringeworthy" kind of way.
    I've given my opinion. Act 6 gates are a cash grab. Restricting 4*s IS SIMPLY A CASH GRAB as it forces people who've already bought or grinded arena and other content to purchase FGMCs or other deals to have a small chance for a 5* version of a champ they already have as a 4*. You've voiced your opinion and have trolled every act 6 post. You know you're in the minority on this issue yet you get jollies off of demeaning other players even though I highly doubt you're ready for act 6 yourself. Your goal is to simply flame others as you dislike yourself. Pretty sad dude.
    How is it a cashgrab exactly? It's a requirement for 5*/6* champs not a requirement for X amount of gmc's bought.

    There are many f2p endgame players with pretty stacked rosters. I fail to see this as a definitive fact, since it's basically your interpretation mixed with your already negative emotions towards kabams business model, which is, surprise surprise, profit oriented. Because that's kind of how our world works.

    At this point you could literally reply by saying "the last word". Thanks for not just spouting out 100% irrelevant bs, though. You're down to 99%, that's some progress.
    lol how is it not a cash grab. If you spend time and money maxing out 5 65s and r2 6s and were using a 4* as a synergy champ... you're now handicapped until you get the 4* as a 5 or 6. You hate yourself a lot don't you .... seek counseling or try to get some friends.
    Which champ(s) are you talking about that absolutely requires a synergy champ?
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Posts: 5,098 ★★★★★
    AndiYTDE said:

    IKON said:


    It should be gated behind "Elders Bane", not behind RNG. I have already told you that the people who are going to buy these crystals at a scale worth talking about either already have a roster capable of clearing Act 6.1 or will pay their way through Act 6 anyways. And those players have the chance to get an even bigger 5* and 6* roster while the other players still have a hard time getting their roster on the needed level.
    Gated behind eldar’s bane? So we ought to be able to go straight from 5.2 to act 6? An eldar’s bane gate is functionally no gate since it’s not possible to do even a completion run of act 5 without getting it
  • DrZolaDrZola Posts: 2,815 ★★★★★

    AndiYTDE said:

    IKON said:


    It should be gated behind "Elders Bane", not behind RNG. I have already told you that the people who are going to buy these crystals at a scale worth talking about either already have a roster capable of clearing Act 6.1 or will pay their way through Act 6 anyways. And those players have the chance to get an even bigger 5* and 6* roster while the other players still have a hard time getting their roster on the needed level.
    Gated behind eldar’s bane? So we ought to be able to go straight from 5.2 to act 6? An eldar’s bane gate is functionally no gate since it’s not possible to do even a completion run of act 5 without getting it
    I may be misunderstanding the point, but isn’t Elder’s Bane for 100% Act 5?

    Dr. Zola
  • mum_m2mum_m2 Posts: 1,708 ★★★
    The answer here shouldn't be more arenas it should be buffing the current arenas.

    I don't want to see people spend more time in a mindless part of the game.

    I want to see more challenging content from the most played part of the game and increase the rewards in part of that.

    If Kabam goes through with gating act 6, then they have to drastically increase the amount of rewards we get from the stepping Stones by making each step more rewarding.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Posts: 208
    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    Bfyffe28 said:

    I didn’t mean to hurt your little feelings. I know it’s bad to troll the trolls. I wouldn’t waste my time going point by point with most of your drivel, I’m just sick of seeing it. Thanks mate

    So you're either not willing or able to read and comprehend my comments and build your replies on that information?

    Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules.
    "Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules."

    Maybe take your own advice, hypocrite.
    He says while literally spamming the thread with a completely useless comment.

    To stay on topic, though, what is your view on this? Care to directly adress any of my or OP's points? No? Okay.
    Hilarious retort. Hollow, yet hilarious.
    Hollow as in containing no (contextually) valuable information? Hollow as in that comment of yours I just quoted?

    That's strike number two.

    Still interested in your opinion and reason, though. Feel free to maybe bring something useful into this.
    ignore this dude. He's a troll and doesn't know to what he speaks. Go work on that account Umbrerto instead of trolling on the forums.
    Nah, I'm already done with exploring the uc event quest and the intel missions all the way up to epic, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Would you be willing to share your thoughts on the actual topic at hand, though? That is if you have any.
    Most people are.... Your roster is quite weak as well maybe some arena would do you good... or a legends time attack? You're a troll and poor one at that.
    Actually, no. I presented points and you're free to reply to those. Maybe read up on what a troll actually is...? Because it's not "someone who makes me sad and angry online *sniff*".

    My roster is weak... so you suggest that I... should attempt a legends title...? You got some serious smarts there, mate.

    Care to share your opinion on the actual topic now? Otherwise, please stop spamming. It's pretty childish and uncalled for, not in a "this offends me" kind of way, but rather in a "this is so damn cringeworthy" kind of way.
    I've given my opinion. Act 6 gates are a cash grab. Restricting 4*s IS SIMPLY A CASH GRAB as it forces people who've already bought or grinded arena and other content to purchase FGMCs or other deals to have a small chance for a 5* version of a champ they already have as a 4*. You've voiced your opinion and have trolled every act 6 post. You know you're in the minority on this issue yet you get jollies off of demeaning other players even though I highly doubt you're ready for act 6 yourself. Your goal is to simply flame others as you dislike yourself. Pretty sad dude.
    How is it a cashgrab exactly? It's a requirement for 5*/6* champs not a requirement for X amount of gmc's bought.

    There are many f2p endgame players with pretty stacked rosters. I fail to see this as a definitive fact, since it's basically your interpretation mixed with your already negative emotions towards kabams business model, which is, surprise surprise, profit oriented. Because that's kind of how our world works.

    At this point you could literally reply by saying "the last word". Thanks for not just spouting out 100% irrelevant bs, though. You're down to 99%, that's some progress.
    lol how is it not a cash grab. If you spend time and money maxing out 5 65s and r2 6s and were using a 4* as a synergy champ... you're now handicapped until you get the 4* as a 5 or 6. You hate yourself a lot don't you .... seek counseling or try to get some friends.
    Which champ(s) are you talking about that absolutely requires a synergy champ?
    absolutely requires?? None You didn't read what I wrote. Say you have Ghost or Domino or Blade or whoever and have been using a team synergy with a 4* champ. Poof that's gone.... and why?

    Kabam's official response "This is not the first time we’ve hard-gated something behind a form of progression. We use gates liberally, oftentimes to prevent players from having frustrating experiences in content beyond their capabilities, but also because we’re game developers and we have some intended play experiences in mind that we--through both iteration and personal gameplay experience--believe smooth out the ride and make the whole thing as enjoyable as possible."

    There's no other reason to prevent 4*s from ACT6 than to force players to grind or purchase 5/6* versions of the synergy champ someone was using. It's a pay wall plain and simple. Either take in a gimped team to force the user to buy more pots and/or boosts or force them to pay/grind for a champ at r1 5* that they already ranked up to 5/50.

    It's ...a .... cash...grab. Which is fine if that's what they want to do... but don't play that "frustrating experiences card. That's complete garbage.
  • MhykkeMhykke Posts: 416 ★★★
    How about the ability to play some additional content in order to unlock the ability to take in 4 stars into act 6?

    The additional content to play to unlock act 6?..........Act 7!!!!!!
  • HENRIQUE_FORTEHENRIQUE_FORTE Posts: 348 ★★
    So, they banned 4* from act 6, and yet...




    Who I choose to bring shouldn't be their call. At least, not on story mode.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:


    Relevant points. Your second paragraph underscores the pertinent issue for veteran players who for whatever reason haven’t been blessed by pRNG. Another example would be a high-level Iceman with significant Coldsnap damage—can be passable but very well may require close-to-perfect play and likely results in at least one champ gimped for that path absent any of the accepted counters at 5/6*.

    The other is the one I mentioned last night: any path/quest that requires class+rarity to enter. While that may not happen until 6.2, it’s a non-starter for anyone who doesn’t have a 6* in each class (and could very well be a wasted champ slot if the gate was 6*+Mutant and all you have is 6* DPX).

    We will know a lot more in a couple of days; maybe all of this is a huge over-reaction. I have no problem with players who have only been around a year or so facing gating issues if they lack roster depth (although the inclusion of crummy champs unsuited for the past couple of metas in the 6* and 5* crystals essentially constitutes a “gate” in and of itself).

    But it’s a different issue with players who have been around for years and finished Act 5 and a significant amount of what is advertised as difficult peripheral content. I’m humble enough to be queasy about claiming I’m “endgame” (whatever that means), and I don’t play a super-high AW/AQ level anymore, but the game needs to be enjoyable and reasonably accessible as well as challenging for players in my shoes—especially when it’s the basic story arc of the entire game, not a peripheral challenge that promises outsized rewards. Making story quest hard is fine, but locking it behind a gate because it’s the endgame of endgames seems silly. What would that make LoL2-–the endgamest endgame of endgames? Engamageddon? I would prefer innovation and new ideas to lockouts any day.

    Bottom line for me: if the answer is wait out another 6 months of pulls to see if pRNG rewards me with some of the decent roster additions I need/lack, then that’s no answer at all. I’ve been there and done that and there’s no pot of gold at the end of the hamster wheel.

    Dr. Zola

    With regards to the Iceman, he’s even easier to counter than that Abom. Yes, we think of Corvus Meph ST IMIW as viable cold snap immune counters, what about Rogue GR or any champ that can outheal the Cold Snap damage? In addition, shouldn’t we not have any issues with a fight that requires close to perfect play? I mean, we are complaining about “skill” right?

    From how I read the comment from the mods, it seems as though the class + rarity gates is a combination of variant and 6.1 gates. Or it could also possibly be like in Act 1, where certain paths are only accessible if you bring a, for example, Skill Champ. That’s on top of the act gate allowing only 5/6*s. Tbh, this should most probably be less than a minor inconvenience. The challenge would be, as seen in some paths of the classic version of Ultron’s Assult, a specific path that requires champs from 5 classes.

    Yes I agree with you that the roster gate wasn’t a good idea. There are most probably better ways around it. (I actually have one fleshed out fully but won’t be posting it here due to certain reasons). But if that’s the way Kabam chose to move forward, as players we just need to adapt and figure ways around it. The issue I have with the reactions of the community is mainly because it’s fueled by FOMO. That being said, I would also be up in arms if this were a monthly event lol, but it isn’t.

    The truth is, with the rewards 6.1 is giving out, there is nothing to be missed out on. We won’t have enough to R3 a 6*, and an additional R4 doesn’t do anything substantial to change the rosters of those who are able to 100% 6.1.

    On your last point, I agree that waiting for a specific champ to be pulled from the crystal sucks. But there might be alternative counters that people did not think of simply because they dont fall into the realm of “god/Demi god tier”. (How’s your Falcon doing btw?)
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Posts: 5,098 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    IKON said:


    It should be gated behind "Elders Bane", not behind RNG. I have already told you that the people who are going to buy these crystals at a scale worth talking about either already have a roster capable of clearing Act 6.1 or will pay their way through Act 6 anyways. And those players have the chance to get an even bigger 5* and 6* roster while the other players still have a hard time getting their roster on the needed level.
    Gated behind eldar’s bane? So we ought to be able to go straight from 5.2 to act 6? An eldar’s bane gate is functionally no gate since it’s not possible to do even a completion run of act 5 without getting it
    I may be misunderstanding the point, but isn’t Elder’s Bane for 100% Act 5?

    Dr. Zola
    Oh my bad. I was thinking of the uncollected title.
  • mum_m2mum_m2 Posts: 1,708 ★★★

    So, they banned 4* from act 6, and yet...




    Who I choose to bring shouldn't be their call. At least, not on story mode.

    Ok now go take on act 5.4.6 with that team. I know you're making a point but at least be realistic with it.

    Showcase your 3* Medusa taking down classic Ultron and you got yourself a solid argument
  • CoachiditeCoachidite Posts: 30
    So here are my thoughts on this matter, not that I'm an expert or anything.

    Hard gating 4* champions from Act 6 content is shady. A lot of players who are beginning to tackle Labyrinth use a 4* champ or two on their roster strictly for synergies. Heck, there's even footage out there of somebody taking a 4* ægon to Maestro EX. So it's my belief that 4*s, while getting progressively more useless, still have a place in the meta at a high level. Not the highest level, but a high level. Barring them from Act 6 prevents a lot of Summoners from using champions to their full potential (i.e. Ghost with the Ants or Winter Soldier with the KM synergy, etc). I like content that can be overcome with skill, and limiting rosters in that way goes against that principle.

    I also agree with the complaint that barring 4* champions locks Act 6 content behind RNG at least on some level. The simple fact is 4* champions are not hard to obtain. Uncollected EQ gives you like 1400 shards per chapter just for completion, and that doesn't even count other monthly quests and side missions.

    However, for a large part of the playerbase - even Elder's Bane summoners - 5* champions aren't nearly as plentiful. It is not uncommon to have a crummy-to-decent 5* roster by the time you have 100% completed Act 5, and a lot of players don't rely on their 5* champions to explore hard content.

    3,4* Loki for Ultron 5.4.6
    4* Gulk for Variant, etc.

    As for the 5* basic arena, I love the idea. Being able to specifically target 5* champions would make team-building rely significantly more on skill than RNG. I'd imagine it to be structured like the 4* basic arena is currently, to clear up any confusion.

    Top 10% get the champion, no strings attached. Top few players get more goodies.

    That, I believe, is all I have to say about that. I can't claim to speak for the majority of the players in here but I believe I share opinions with the majority here. I hope this clears up any confusion regarding specifics, but I would certainly be open to responding more to clarify anything I need to.

  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    ezmoney said:

    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    Bfyffe28 said:

    I didn’t mean to hurt your little feelings. I know it’s bad to troll the trolls. I wouldn’t waste my time going point by point with most of your drivel, I’m just sick of seeing it. Thanks mate

    So you're either not willing or able to read and comprehend my comments and build your replies on that information?

    Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules.
    "Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules."

    Maybe take your own advice, hypocrite.
    He says while literally spamming the thread with a completely useless comment.

    To stay on topic, though, what is your view on this? Care to directly adress any of my or OP's points? No? Okay.
    Hilarious retort. Hollow, yet hilarious.
    Hollow as in containing no (contextually) valuable information? Hollow as in that comment of yours I just quoted?

    That's strike number two.

    Still interested in your opinion and reason, though. Feel free to maybe bring something useful into this.
    ignore this dude. He's a troll and doesn't know to what he speaks. Go work on that account Umbrerto instead of trolling on the forums.
    Nah, I'm already done with exploring the uc event quest and the intel missions all the way up to epic, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Would you be willing to share your thoughts on the actual topic at hand, though? That is if you have any.
    Most people are.... Your roster is quite weak as well maybe some arena would do you good... or a legends time attack? You're a troll and poor one at that.
    Actually, no. I presented points and you're free to reply to those. Maybe read up on what a troll actually is...? Because it's not "someone who makes me sad and angry online *sniff*".

    My roster is weak... so you suggest that I... should attempt a legends title...? You got some serious smarts there, mate.

    Care to share your opinion on the actual topic now? Otherwise, please stop spamming. It's pretty childish and uncalled for, not in a "this offends me" kind of way, but rather in a "this is so damn cringeworthy" kind of way.
    I've given my opinion. Act 6 gates are a cash grab. Restricting 4*s IS SIMPLY A CASH GRAB as it forces people who've already bought or grinded arena and other content to purchase FGMCs or other deals to have a small chance for a 5* version of a champ they already have as a 4*. You've voiced your opinion and have trolled every act 6 post. You know you're in the minority on this issue yet you get jollies off of demeaning other players even though I highly doubt you're ready for act 6 yourself. Your goal is to simply flame others as you dislike yourself. Pretty sad dude.
    How is it a cashgrab exactly? It's a requirement for 5*/6* champs not a requirement for X amount of gmc's bought.

    There are many f2p endgame players with pretty stacked rosters. I fail to see this as a definitive fact, since it's basically your interpretation mixed with your already negative emotions towards kabams business model, which is, surprise surprise, profit oriented. Because that's kind of how our world works.

    At this point you could literally reply by saying "the last word". Thanks for not just spouting out 100% irrelevant bs, though. You're down to 99%, that's some progress.
    lol how is it not a cash grab. If you spend time and money maxing out 5 65s and r2 6s and were using a 4* as a synergy champ... you're now handicapped until you get the 4* as a 5 or 6. You hate yourself a lot don't you .... seek counseling or try to get some friends.
    Which champ(s) are you talking about that absolutely requires a synergy champ?
    absolutely requires?? None You didn't read what I wrote. Say you have Ghost or Domino or Blade or whoever and have been using a team synergy with a 4* champ. Poof that's gone.... and why?

    Kabam's official response "This is not the first time we’ve hard-gated something behind a form of progression. We use gates liberally, oftentimes to prevent players from having frustrating experiences in content beyond their capabilities, but also because we’re game developers and we have some intended play experiences in mind that we--through both iteration and personal gameplay experience--believe smooth out the ride and make the whole thing as enjoyable as possible."

    There's no other reason to prevent 4*s from ACT6 than to force players to grind or purchase 5/6* versions of the synergy champ someone was using. It's a pay wall plain and simple. Either take in a gimped team to force the user to buy more pots and/or boosts or force them to pay/grind for a champ at r1 5* that they already ranked up to 5/50.

    It's ...a .... cash...grab. Which is fine if that's what they want to do... but don't play that "frustrating experiences card. That's complete garbage.
    Idk about you.. but really.. if you’re that reliant on synergies to make a champ work, then I believe it might be an issue.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Posts: 208
    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    Bfyffe28 said:

    I didn’t mean to hurt your little feelings. I know it’s bad to troll the trolls. I wouldn’t waste my time going point by point with most of your drivel, I’m just sick of seeing it. Thanks mate

    So you're either not willing or able to read and comprehend my comments and build your replies on that information?

    Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules.
    "Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules."

    Maybe take your own advice, hypocrite.
    He says while literally spamming the thread with a completely useless comment.

    To stay on topic, though, what is your view on this? Care to directly adress any of my or OP's points? No? Okay.
    Hilarious retort. Hollow, yet hilarious.
    Hollow as in containing no (contextually) valuable information? Hollow as in that comment of yours I just quoted?

    That's strike number two.

    Still interested in your opinion and reason, though. Feel free to maybe bring something useful into this.
    ignore this dude. He's a troll and doesn't know to what he speaks. Go work on that account Umbrerto instead of trolling on the forums.
    Nah, I'm already done with exploring the uc event quest and the intel missions all the way up to epic, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Would you be willing to share your thoughts on the actual topic at hand, though? That is if you have any.
    Most people are.... Your roster is quite weak as well maybe some arena would do you good... or a legends time attack? You're a troll and poor one at that.
    Actually, no. I presented points and you're free to reply to those. Maybe read up on what a troll actually is...? Because it's not "someone who makes me sad and angry online *sniff*".

    My roster is weak... so you suggest that I... should attempt a legends title...? You got some serious smarts there, mate.

    Care to share your opinion on the actual topic now? Otherwise, please stop spamming. It's pretty childish and uncalled for, not in a "this offends me" kind of way, but rather in a "this is so damn cringeworthy" kind of way.
    I've given my opinion. Act 6 gates are a cash grab. Restricting 4*s IS SIMPLY A CASH GRAB as it forces people who've already bought or grinded arena and other content to purchase FGMCs or other deals to have a small chance for a 5* version of a champ they already have as a 4*. You've voiced your opinion and have trolled every act 6 post. You know you're in the minority on this issue yet you get jollies off of demeaning other players even though I highly doubt you're ready for act 6 yourself. Your goal is to simply flame others as you dislike yourself. Pretty sad dude.
    How is it a cashgrab exactly? It's a requirement for 5*/6* champs not a requirement for X amount of gmc's bought.

    There are many f2p endgame players with pretty stacked rosters. I fail to see this as a definitive fact, since it's basically your interpretation mixed with your already negative emotions towards kabams business model, which is, surprise surprise, profit oriented. Because that's kind of how our world works.

    At this point you could literally reply by saying "the last word". Thanks for not just spouting out 100% irrelevant bs, though. You're down to 99%, that's some progress.
    lol how is it not a cash grab. If you spend time and money maxing out 5 65s and r2 6s and were using a 4* as a synergy champ... you're now handicapped until you get the 4* as a 5 or 6. You hate yourself a lot don't you .... seek counseling or try to get some friends.
    Which champ(s) are you talking about that absolutely requires a synergy champ?
    absolutely requires?? None You didn't read what I wrote. Say you have Ghost or Domino or Blade or whoever and have been using a team synergy with a 4* champ. Poof that's gone.... and why?

    Kabam's official response "This is not the first time we’ve hard-gated something behind a form of progression. We use gates liberally, oftentimes to prevent players from having frustrating experiences in content beyond their capabilities, but also because we’re game developers and we have some intended play experiences in mind that we--through both iteration and personal gameplay experience--believe smooth out the ride and make the whole thing as enjoyable as possible."

    There's no other reason to prevent 4*s from ACT6 than to force players to grind or purchase 5/6* versions of the synergy champ someone was using. It's a pay wall plain and simple. Either take in a gimped team to force the user to buy more pots and/or boosts or force them to pay/grind for a champ at r1 5* that they already ranked up to 5/50.

    It's ...a .... cash...grab. Which is fine if that's what they want to do... but don't play that "frustrating experiences card. That's complete garbage.
    Idk about you.. but really.. if you’re that reliant on synergies to make a champ work, then I believe it might be an issue.
    lol oh simple minds. Why have synergies at all right?
  • LightvayneLightvayne Posts: 281 ★★
    We have enough people on here complaining about the Gate requirements, so Im not gonna bother you with that.
    To maybe help solve this problem, why not give us the ability to take maxed out 4*s and rank them to a 5*? A maxed 4* is almost equivalant to a rank 3 5*, sure you may lose (or gain some prestige, atk, hp, etc) but if that means i can take a favorite 4* or mine and continue to grow with it, I dont see a problem with it.
  • HENRIQUE_FORTEHENRIQUE_FORTE Posts: 348 ★★
    mum_m2 said:

    So, they banned 4* from act 6, and yet...




    Who I choose to bring shouldn't be their call. At least, not on story mode.

    Ok now go take on act 5.4.6 with that team. I know you're making a point but at least be realistic with it.

    Showcase your 3* Medusa taking down classic Ultron and you got yourself a solid argument

    Not skilled enough. But there is a guy who took him with 3* Loki. It's on Youtube. Good enough for you?

    You just wait for those specials offers coming in some days, with an extra chance for that champion that keeps elluding you. I'll take a 5* Ghost Rider to pair with my Blade, please. Only have him as FOUR STAR.
  • GmonkeyGmonkey Posts: 462
    Take for instance this month uncollected biohazard path with abomination on it. Robots get shocked if poison would apply guess how quick sentinel and dark hawk died? Fast had to go back in with iceman 4 star other options 4 star omega red or 4 star dormammu. I will be shocked if we do not see the same in chapter 6 but they will have massive PI so your out of luck without the right pulls. There are other examples but this is the most recent, and I have 68 5 stars.
  • HulksmasshhHulksmasshh Posts: 742 ★★★
    When ignoring the cash-grab aspect gating only 5 and 6* champions to enter, I can see what Kabam is trying to accomplish putting a filter on the hardest new content. In reality, most people will only be bringing 5 and 6* champs anyways with the biggest hinderance coming from synergy losses.

    But Kabam clearly went upon it the wrong way. Instead of straight up 4* bans, Kabam should have made the content hard enough that you MUST have 5/65s to complete certain paths. Something like a global node with “Challenge ratings below 100 have additional -75% base attack”. Or whatever appropriate to bar 4*s from contributing much. I actually enjoy the champion gates and thought Variant class gates were fun. Things like #Avenger or #Villian only would still be difficult but much better than #5and6staronly.

    Synergies are a huge part of the game and can completely change champions. I think Kabam went the lazy way eliminating some of them by simply banning 4* champs. If Kabam wants people to go for more 5* champs fine, but then just make the good synergies only applicable to the 5*+ version or have them scale better on 5* version. It’s the same cash-grabish method but makes more sense to the playerbase and doesn’t leave anyone feeling they were deceived.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    ezmoney said:

    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    xNig said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    ezmoney said:

    Bfyffe28 said:

    I didn’t mean to hurt your little feelings. I know it’s bad to troll the trolls. I wouldn’t waste my time going point by point with most of your drivel, I’m just sick of seeing it. Thanks mate

    So you're either not willing or able to read and comprehend my comments and build your replies on that information?

    Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules.
    "Maybe stop spamming then. That's against the forum rules."

    Maybe take your own advice, hypocrite.
    He says while literally spamming the thread with a completely useless comment.

    To stay on topic, though, what is your view on this? Care to directly adress any of my or OP's points? No? Okay.
    Hilarious retort. Hollow, yet hilarious.
    Hollow as in containing no (contextually) valuable information? Hollow as in that comment of yours I just quoted?

    That's strike number two.

    Still interested in your opinion and reason, though. Feel free to maybe bring something useful into this.
    ignore this dude. He's a troll and doesn't know to what he speaks. Go work on that account Umbrerto instead of trolling on the forums.
    Nah, I'm already done with exploring the uc event quest and the intel missions all the way up to epic, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Would you be willing to share your thoughts on the actual topic at hand, though? That is if you have any.
    Most people are.... Your roster is quite weak as well maybe some arena would do you good... or a legends time attack? You're a troll and poor one at that.
    Actually, no. I presented points and you're free to reply to those. Maybe read up on what a troll actually is...? Because it's not "someone who makes me sad and angry online *sniff*".

    My roster is weak... so you suggest that I... should attempt a legends title...? You got some serious smarts there, mate.

    Care to share your opinion on the actual topic now? Otherwise, please stop spamming. It's pretty childish and uncalled for, not in a "this offends me" kind of way, but rather in a "this is so damn cringeworthy" kind of way.
    I've given my opinion. Act 6 gates are a cash grab. Restricting 4*s IS SIMPLY A CASH GRAB as it forces people who've already bought or grinded arena and other content to purchase FGMCs or other deals to have a small chance for a 5* version of a champ they already have as a 4*. You've voiced your opinion and have trolled every act 6 post. You know you're in the minority on this issue yet you get jollies off of demeaning other players even though I highly doubt you're ready for act 6 yourself. Your goal is to simply flame others as you dislike yourself. Pretty sad dude.
    How is it a cashgrab exactly? It's a requirement for 5*/6* champs not a requirement for X amount of gmc's bought.

    There are many f2p endgame players with pretty stacked rosters. I fail to see this as a definitive fact, since it's basically your interpretation mixed with your already negative emotions towards kabams business model, which is, surprise surprise, profit oriented. Because that's kind of how our world works.

    At this point you could literally reply by saying "the last word". Thanks for not just spouting out 100% irrelevant bs, though. You're down to 99%, that's some progress.
    lol how is it not a cash grab. If you spend time and money maxing out 5 65s and r2 6s and were using a 4* as a synergy champ... you're now handicapped until you get the 4* as a 5 or 6. You hate yourself a lot don't you .... seek counseling or try to get some friends.
    Which champ(s) are you talking about that absolutely requires a synergy champ?
    absolutely requires?? None You didn't read what I wrote. Say you have Ghost or Domino or Blade or whoever and have been using a team synergy with a 4* champ. Poof that's gone.... and why?

    Kabam's official response "This is not the first time we’ve hard-gated something behind a form of progression. We use gates liberally, oftentimes to prevent players from having frustrating experiences in content beyond their capabilities, but also because we’re game developers and we have some intended play experiences in mind that we--through both iteration and personal gameplay experience--believe smooth out the ride and make the whole thing as enjoyable as possible."

    There's no other reason to prevent 4*s from ACT6 than to force players to grind or purchase 5/6* versions of the synergy champ someone was using. It's a pay wall plain and simple. Either take in a gimped team to force the user to buy more pots and/or boosts or force them to pay/grind for a champ at r1 5* that they already ranked up to 5/50.

    It's ...a .... cash...grab. Which is fine if that's what they want to do... but don't play that "frustrating experiences card. That's complete garbage.
    Idk about you.. but really.. if you’re that reliant on synergies to make a champ work, then I believe it might be an issue.
    lol oh simple minds. Why have synergies at all right?
    Yeah I was wondering about that too. Are you reliant on them?
  • axelelf_1axelelf_1 Posts: 775 ★★★
    Lol. I like it. Kabam, please turn my 5/50s into 3/45s.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    edited March 11
    Gmonkey said:

    Take for instance this month uncollected biohazard path with abomination on it. Robots get shocked if poison would apply guess how quick sentinel and dark hawk died? Fast had to go back in with iceman 4 star other options 4 star omega red or 4 star dormammu. I will be shocked if we do not see the same in chapter 6 but they will have massive PI so your out of luck without the right pulls. There are other examples but this is the most recent, and I have 68 5 stars.

    You have a Dorm or Rulk or Nebula?
  • DshuDshu Posts: 1,082 ★★★
    Are there going to be any further updates from kabam about this or are we wasting our breath and time sharing our thoughts on this topic? Also when can we expect to see the gameplay videos that were promised last week @Kabam Miike
  • gannicus0830gannicus0830 Posts: 304 ★★★
    They will never do that. 5*s are worth way more points in arena and have a much higher p.i. potential than 4*s, among other reasons.
    Better solution: they remove the damn restriction and pretend they never had such a bonehead idea to begin with.
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