After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
How long is it going to take to pull those SPECIFIC counters as 5*. A month (unrealistic) ? 6 months ? a year?
If this is not a play by KABAM to make us spend a ton of money, then what is it?
@Kabam Miike Just curious as to why you didn't let him run chapter 2.
We wanted to give you all a preview of Act 6, but didn't want to give away everything that's coming in the Chapter!
I can understand that but it would have been nice if he was at least allowed to showcase all the new nodes as a primer to the launch tomorrow. Only showing one new buff was a bit underwhelming. Just my thoughts.
Honestly at this point, Kabam's reaction to the community is far more disappointing than the actual game change. They've drawn a line in the sand and won't reach across it even slightly. There are silly outbursts from players on both sides of the argument (and I'm guilty of a couple, emotions will run high), but also some very solid points being made that aren't addressed by the mods at all. What's the point of having a forum if you're just going to ignore your players' concerns consistently and if you do acknowledge them, you talk down to them? This isn't a vent post, and I know it will get lost in the shuffle. It's just a vain hope post maybe someone on the Kabam team will think on this a bit more.
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Variant restrictions was also great for this. Allowed me to go deep into my roster and find nice counters, shame that 4*s make up such a large % of our rosters though...
I don’t see the beta test banner, which leads me to believe this took place on his live account. Can you confirm?
If this took place on his live account how will he (and the other CCP) be allowed to do a legend run for 6.1? It’s nothing personal against Lags or the other content creator programmers. Just trying to see if how this will play out.
I don’t see the beta test banner, which leads me to believe this took place on his live account. Can you confirm?
If this took place on his live account how will he (and the other CCP) be allowed to do a legend run for 6.1? It’s nothing personal against Lags or the other content creator programmers. Just trying to see if how this will play out.
I don’t see the beta test banner, which leads me to believe this took place on his live account. Can you confirm?
If this took place on his live account how will he (and the other CCP) be allowed to do a legend run for 6.1? It’s nothing personal against Lags or the other content creator programmers. Just trying to see if how this will play out.
It was not on the Beta Server and did take place on his live account. Our Creators were not given any items or resources to use, and played this as if it was their own run through. They are also not able to go for a Legends run in Chapter 1.
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Bad choice of words from me, but I hoped you get what I meant. I was wrong. Why exactly can 4* champions not take on these challenges? They can easily one-shot every single one of these enemies in the hands of a skilled player. So don´t give me the usual "We want to protect you" speech, that´s just not true. You want us to explore our roster and make over 70% of it unuseable. Do you even hear what you are saying?
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Bad choice of words from me, but I hoped you get what I meant. I was wrong. Why exactly can 4* champions not take on these challenges? They can easily one-shot every single one of these enemies in the hands of a skilled player. So don´t give me the usual "We want to protect you" speech, that´s just not true. You want us to explore our roster and make over 70% of it unuseable. Do you even hear what you are saying?
Those reasons have been rejected and debunked by the majority of the community as weak and nonsensical.
Which is how some of us predicted it would be received even before they posted them, because people won't accept reason when they don't want something.
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Bad choice of words from me, but I hoped you get what I meant. I was wrong. Why exactly can 4* champions not take on these challenges? They can easily one-shot every single one of these enemies in the hands of a skilled player. So don´t give me the usual "We want to protect you" speech, that´s just not true. You want us to explore our roster and make over 70% of it unuseable. Do you even hear what you are saying?
Those reasons have been rejected and debunked by the majority of the community as weak and nonsensical.
Which is how some of us predicted it would be received even before they posted them, because people won't accept reason when they don't want something.
except kabam gave us points which had nothing to do with the matter
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Bad choice of words from me, but I hoped you get what I meant. I was wrong. Why exactly can 4* champions not take on these challenges? They can easily one-shot every single one of these enemies in the hands of a skilled player. So don´t give me the usual "We want to protect you" speech, that´s just not true. You want us to explore our roster and make over 70% of it unuseable. Do you even hear what you are saying?
Those reasons have been rejected and debunked by the majority of the community as weak and nonsensical.
Which is how some of us predicted it would be received even before they posted them, because people won't accept reason when they don't want something.
except kabam gave us points which had nothing to do with the matter
Those were the factors around the decision. The reasons are in there. They will just be disputed ad nauseum because again, people vehemently reject any reason. They don't want the gate.
@Kabam Miike will we be seeing any other videos from content creators that lets say maybe doesn't have every god tier champ as a r5 5 Star? Would be nice to see others thoughts. Lagacy did a real nice job with his, but he also has a loaded roster and the skill to boot.
I don’t see the beta test banner, which leads me to believe this took place on his live account. Can you confirm?
If this took place on his live account how will he (and the other CCP) be allowed to do a legend run for 6.1? It’s nothing personal against Lags or the other content creator programmers. Just trying to see if how this will play out.
It was not on the Beta Server and did take place on his live account. Our Creators were not given any items or resources to use, and played this as if it was their own run through. They are also not able to go for a Legends run in Chapter 1.
Can I ask if there will be a big boss fight much like Kang, Thanos, Maestro and Collector in this chapter? Maybe Carina?
Little embarrassing you're using CCP videos to try and distract everyone and still continue to avoid addressing any actual reason why you won't allow 4 Star Champions in Act 6. We see through it.
On the subject on the first quest I see those wonderful Domino, Korg, Mephisto & Iron Man (Infinity War) fights which will be super fun for everyone that doesn't have an adequate counter in their 5 Star/6 Star roster and this is just the first very quest. Not too mention the massive disadvantage players that will have that don't have a god tier bleeder for the "These champions can only take bleed damage path".
If you think the reaction is bad now, you're going to be in for a great time tomorrow mate.
I must say: I´m impressed by how you keep dodging/ignoring the community. Even the people you have a partnership with! Answer me one simple question, without talking around the topic: Why can 5* R1-R3 enter Act 6, but equal/stronger 4* R5 champions are too weak to do that?
The simple answer would be because it's a progress gate. People don't have nearly as many Max Sig 5*s and 6*s as they do 4*s. Well, at least those below a certain point. The simplest way to put it would be that the 4*s would make it easier than they want it to be.
I know I should ignore you, but when do I get the chance to discuss with a Kabam employee? The official "answer" is that 4* champions would not be able to take on Act 6 because they are too weak. Are you seriously trying to say that 4* champs would be too OP for Act 6? Very funny
I don't remember reading the comment that they would be too weak. Nor did I say they would be too OP. I said it would make it easier than they wanted. It's a progress gate. It's harder if you don't have what you need. Also, if it didn't make it easier to have 4*s, we wouldn't have 58 pages of people arguing they needed them.
They said they wanted to, and i quote: "[...] use gates liberally, oftentimes to prevent players from having frustrating experiences in content beyond their capabilities". As far as I know, there are 3 cases in which Kabam has limited champions based on their strength: Infinity Dungeons (more on that below), Dange Rooms (here the restriction was meant to be part of the challenge) and Act 6. This esentially does mean that they want to say that 4* champions in Act 6 would lead to frustration since they are too weak. You want to deny that?
Hang on, that's two different things. You said "The official 'answer' is that 4* champions would not be able to take on Act 6 because they are too weak." That's false: they didn't say that. They did say that allowing 4* champs in Act 6 could lead to frustration, but that doesn't mean there's anything explicitly wrong with 4* champs. Rather, that means all players are different, and for many players attempting to use 4* champs could lead to frustration.
That's not debatable, that's undeniably true. We already see this now: there's lots of players who have expressed frustration over the difficulty of Uncollected monthly events, and the logic is often words to the effect of "they are uncollected, so uncollected should be something they should be able to do." Becoming uncollected is the prerequisite for doing uncollected difficulty, but many players who can't do uncollected difficulty believe that the problem is with the content if they are uncollected, because the prerequisite was met to do it.
This thought process is completely wrong, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems for the game that would be magically solved if the players who aren't ready for Uncollected were somehow barred from even attempting it. Of course, that's not practical: there's no way to know in advance if someone can or can't do it.
Kabam isn't saying you personally won't be able to do Act 6 with 4* champs. They are saying that the percentage of people who can among all players who will try is low enough to be a problem. In and of itself that isn't the justification for the progress gate, but it is a legitimate factor in favor of it.
After seeing this video I have to say: You have to be kidding me! You expect us to have so many specific champions (some that cause bleed, power control champs, ones that generate fury buffs) and don´t allow 4* champions so we do not get the utility? That´s just such a bad move, Kabam!
Answers to specific challenges? Yes. Specific Champions? Not so much.
Act 6 will require counters to certain challenges, but there are more than just a handful of Champions with these abilities. There are many Champions that cause Bleed and are immune to it, many Champions that can manipulate and control power, and many Champions that can generate Fury Buffs (lots of Cosmic Champions fit that bill!).
Roster exploration will be important in Act 6.
Constructive criticism: why not ask the Content Creators to explore their rosters for the Act 6 videos they produce?
I’m reasonable. For example, I’m willing to grant them a 5/65 Psylocke for power control, maybe a 5/65 Nightcrawler for evade, a 5/65 poison immune with Fury not named Medusa or Hyperion (maybe KG?), a 5/65 Falcon for a bleed champ and a 5/65 Groot for bleed immune. No 6*’s. But that’s negotiable if you’d like to add a 6* Red Mags to the team. Not saying it can’t be done, but that would be a more relatable resource in my opinion.
Absent that, I’m not sure how watching a skilled driver rush around the track in a Ferrari is supposed to help those of us still driving Celicas, though it is fun to see.
Little embarrassing you're using CCP videos to try and distract everyone and still continue to avoid addressing any actual reason why you won't allow 4 Star Champions in Act 6. We see through it.
That's uncalled for. Especially for someone who knows how the content creator program works, of course these videos have to be planned in advance and released on a schedule.
I thought long and hard about illustrating how low this is by demonstration, but I decided against it, not because it wasn't warranted, but because it was a little too easy.
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If this is not a play by KABAM to make us spend a ton of money, then what is it?
Allowed me to go deep into my roster and find nice counters, shame that 4*s make up such a large % of our rosters though...
If this took place on his live account how will he (and the other CCP) be allowed to do a legend run for 6.1? It’s nothing personal against Lags or the other content creator programmers. Just trying to see if how this will play out.
It was not on the Beta Server and did take place on his live account. Our Creators were not given any items or resources to use, and played this as if it was their own run through. They are also not able to go for a Legends run in Chapter 1.
On the subject on the first quest I see those wonderful Domino, Korg, Mephisto & Iron Man (Infinity War) fights which will be super fun for everyone that doesn't have an adequate counter in their 5 Star/6 Star roster and this is just the first very quest. Not too mention the massive disadvantage players that will have that don't have a god tier bleeder for the "These champions can only take bleed damage path".
If you think the reaction is bad now, you're going to be in for a great time tomorrow mate.
That's not debatable, that's undeniably true. We already see this now: there's lots of players who have expressed frustration over the difficulty of Uncollected monthly events, and the logic is often words to the effect of "they are uncollected, so uncollected should be something they should be able to do." Becoming uncollected is the prerequisite for doing uncollected difficulty, but many players who can't do uncollected difficulty believe that the problem is with the content if they are uncollected, because the prerequisite was met to do it.
This thought process is completely wrong, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems for the game that would be magically solved if the players who aren't ready for Uncollected were somehow barred from even attempting it. Of course, that's not practical: there's no way to know in advance if someone can or can't do it.
Kabam isn't saying you personally won't be able to do Act 6 with 4* champs. They are saying that the percentage of people who can among all players who will try is low enough to be a problem. In and of itself that isn't the justification for the progress gate, but it is a legitimate factor in favor of it.
I thought long and hard about illustrating how low this is by demonstration, but I decided against it, not because it wasn't warranted, but because it was a little too easy.