Regarding Brian Grant’s Most Recent Video

Hoitado

I have to admit that he makes Great Points. Being able to Farm that many Units to gift yourself is absurd. It’s a tricky situation for Kabam too because they can’t tell which accounts are Alts and which aren’t.

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

I’m sure I’ve overlooked something’s but this is off the top of my head.

What are your thoughts and solutions?

Video for Reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VRDz_U5dyTc

Ironman3000

I just don't see enough people farming on 3 phones for 8+ hours a day to be a real issue.

BitterSteel

In ~6 hours he got 2k units. That is a crazy time/units ratio. BG went pretty all out in his estimation, saying if you did that daily on 3 accounts for 45 days you'd get 280k units, and clearly that is tons - but I think that's a bit much to get the point across. I'm sure a lot of people watching thought, well I don't have the time to do that.

More conservatively, lets say you did 2 hours a day on a new account for the next 45 days, you'd spend 90 hours on these new accounts. At the end you would have 15 accounts in the same alliance each with 2k units, which is 30k units. That is genuinely crazy. That's £1,000 worth of units over 45 days for 2 hours a day. I don't think many people can say that's good for the game or the gifting event.

The update to the early quests were needed, and really great. But come on, anyone who thinks this is a good thing is kidding themselves. As BG said, why bother with AQ or AW, or EQ or Act 7, just farm a bunch of units and gift yourself. That is the number one best thing for progression right now.

I actually began doing one of these accounts to grind some units, but I'm putting it on pause right now. I don't think it's right for the game. If Kabam decide to do something that stops abuse of the system on a large scale, then I'll continue with it.

I really think that something does need to be put in that will stop someone making multiple accounts with 2k worth of units in them ready to gift. What that is, I'm not sure. Maybe putting gifting up to level 45, to stop casual grinders stopping at level 20. Maybe your account has to have been created before a certain point, but when would you decide the cut off is? Now? 2 weeks before the event?

I'm not sure what the fix is, but right now, gifting event is about to become the most exploitable non-exploit in the game.

Chikel

There are probably very few people with the kind of time and motivation to do it without bots.
I don't think it's a big issue unless they're using bots

Hoitado

Ironman3000 said:

I just don't see enough people farming on 3 phones for 8+ hours a day to be a real issue.

If you just do one Account a day for a Week you’ll get 14700 which equates to 39 Greater Gifting Crystals.
That’s a lot

Colinwhitworth69

Make level 40 or something the requirement for gifting.

Hoitado

Ironman3000 said:

I just don't see enough people farming on 3 phones for 8+ hours a day to be a real issue.

I get the whole 3 Devices thing but it’s still undeniable that it’s an insane amount of units.

Dontsellthem

This is just silly. Why would kabam care. Millions more accounts getting started and grinding. More than likely more 5 dollar cards bought on the alt accounts.

I didn’t watch the video and won’t but this thread about making restrictions is just silly.

Texas_11

I don't know. BG seems to always take the most extreme circumstances and kind of apply it to everything. He also said King Groot regen is super overpowered and would mess up the game.

He also was concerned about how quickly people were getting R3s and R4s and now he has so many resources he doesn't even open the T5cc shards now lol.

BG also did a stream for people that said he did arena all day everyday and he tried it and disproved the theory. They of course exaggerated how much he played the game and thought that's all he did.

I am a huge fan of BG, but in this case , I just don't see anyone putting that much time and effort into getting the units. Some will of course. Is this going to affect the overall game ? I doubt it. Also every gifting year , Kabam always adds something new to deter alts that aren't really alts.

It takes a lot of time and effort to accomplish that.

AverageDesi

Dontsellthem said:

This is just silly. Why would kabam care. Millions more accounts getting started and grinding. More than likely more 5 dollar cards bought on the alt accounts.

I didn’t watch the video and won’t but this thread about making restrictions is just silly.

You are not going to spend money on an alt account you make exclusively for the reason of saving money

BitterSteel

Dontsellthem said:

I didn’t watch the video and won’t but this thread about making restrictions is just silly.

How exactly do you expect your opinion on a video to be taken seriously when you haven't and won't watch it?

AverageDesi

Chikel said:

There are probably very few people with the kind of time and motivation to do it without bots.
I don't think it's a big issue unless they're using bots

I think that's exactly the problem. Bots are still alive and well in the game. Even as recent as the platpool event. So safe to assume they are in full swing for gifting

MaybeThisIsNotMe

Only allow gifting between players of the same alliance and only allow gifting for players who have been in the alliance for a month. That should discourage most people from trying to exploit this.

DNA3000

Hoitado said:

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

That's a reasonable idea, and I think it is something Kabam should implement, but it wouldn't really solve the issue in the long run. I'm not sure there is a long term clean solution to this problem. The problem is that this kind of exploit sits on a continuum from relatively acceptable behavior to extreme nonsense, and there's no sharp dividing line between the two.

GroundedWisdom

DNA3000 said:

Hoitado said:

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

That's a reasonable idea, and I think it is something Kabam should implement, but it wouldn't really solve the issue in the long run. I'm not sure there is a long term clean solution to this problem. The problem is that this kind of exploit sits on a continuum from relatively acceptable behavior to extreme nonsense, and there's no sharp dividing line between the two.

There IS a solution, but it would involve limitations that would change the nature of the Event itself.

cookiedealer

Hoitado said:

I have to admit that he makes Great Points. Being able to Farm that many Units to gift yourself is absurd. It’s a tricky situation for Kabam too because they can’t tell which accounts are Alts and which aren’t.

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

I’m sure I’ve overlooked something’s but this is off the top of my head.

What are your thoughts and solutions?

Video for Reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VRDz_U5dyTc

I agree with BG that this is something that should be watched. On the extreme case: If someone can bot for 10-20 days (out of 45 day gifting length) on 6+ accounts and gains 500k+ units, that is an exploit.

One or two alt accounts? Might be, and historically fine. Problem is Kabam is vague on this, so for now, it appears it's the right step as an individual to farm with an alt account.

How it affects the spending player base, general player base, idk, that's something Kabam should have an idea on by now.

DNA3000

GroundedWisdom said:

DNA3000 said:

Hoitado said:

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

That's a reasonable idea, and I think it is something Kabam should implement, but it wouldn't really solve the issue in the long run. I'm not sure there is a long term clean solution to this problem. The problem is that this kind of exploit sits on a continuum from relatively acceptable behavior to extreme nonsense, and there's no sharp dividing line between the two.

There IS a solution, but it would involve limitations that would change the nature of the Event itself.

You can also shut the game down completely which would eliminate the problem, but when I say there's no long term clean solution I mean I can't think of a solution that preserves the behavior most people want to keep while eliminating the largest abuses that people want to remove. And by "people" I'm including the developers that have objectives for the event themselves.

GroundedWisdom

DNA3000 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DNA3000 said:

Hoitado said:

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

That's a reasonable idea, and I think it is something Kabam should implement, but it wouldn't really solve the issue in the long run. I'm not sure there is a long term clean solution to this problem. The problem is that this kind of exploit sits on a continuum from relatively acceptable behavior to extreme nonsense, and there's no sharp dividing line between the two.

There IS a solution, but it would involve limitations that would change the nature of the Event itself.

You can also shut the game down completely which would eliminate the problem, but when I say there's no long term clean solution I mean I can't think of a solution that preserves the behavior most people want to keep while eliminating the largest abuses that people want to remove. And by "people" I'm including the developers that have objectives for the event themselves.

Of course. I agree with that. It's a constant whack-a-mole process. In terms of Gifting, it's possible to minimize the chance, as we have seen with other limited Gifting Events.

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Texas_11

I honestly believe that people should play the game how they want to. As long as it doesn't mess around with any competitive modes and they are doing it without bots. If they want to farm 3 accounts on 3 phones , and that's how they enjoy the game I don't see anything wrong with that.

As far as Kabam goes they are engaging with the game 3 different times and time is always the biggest currency in the real world. They are more likely to recommend a friend as well.

If cheating is the concern I understand. If deciding how people spend time is his concern who cares.

You can see a player skip 100% exploration of a Act 6 and Act 7 and still end up TB. Just because we had to work a little harder and put more time in doesn't necessarily mean they they have to as well.

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Texas_11

JustingBonoko said:

Texas_11 said:

I don't know. BG seems to always take the most extreme circumstances and kind of apply it to everything. He also said King Groot regen is super overpowered and would mess up the game.

He also was concerned about how quickly people were getting R3s and R4s and now he has so many resources he doesn't even open the T5cc shards now lol.

BG also did a stream for people that said he did arena all day everyday and he tried it and disproved the theory. They of course exaggerated how much he played the game and thought that's all he did.

I am a huge fan of BG, but in this case , I just don't see anyone putting that much time and effort into getting the units. Some will of course. Is this going to affect the overall game ? I doubt it. Also every gifting year , Kabam always adds something new to deter alts that aren't really alts.

It takes a lot of time and effort to accomplish that.

yeh, takes too much time/effort for 99% of player base to grind on alts like that. sure few accounts will go these extreme, but it's still legit grind. unlike arena bots - no reason for these people to be punished

If someone can spend $1000 in the game for gifting, I just don't see how come someone can't grind for $1000 worth of units .

Texas_11

Zan0 said:

Texas_11 said:

I honestly believe that people should play the game how they want to. As long as it doesn't mess around with any competitive modes and they are doing it without bots. If they want to farm 3 accounts on 3 phones , and that's how they enjoy the game I don't see anything wrong with that.

As far as Kabam goes they are engaging with the game 3 different times and time is always the biggest currency in the real world. They are more likely to recommend a friend as well.

If cheating is the concern I understand. If deciding how people spend time is his concern who cares.

You can see a player skip 100% exploration of a Act 6 and Act 7 and still end up TB. Just because we had to work a little harder and put more time in doesn't necessarily mean they they have to as well.

But this does affect all sorts of things. Let me just easily farm enough units to gift myself units to unlock all masteries, enough units to easily explore abyss, and get over a 100k 6 star shards and loads of 6 star nexus crystals along with loads of t5cc and possibly this year small amounts of t6b and t3a

If that's how you want to spend your time doing that you should be able to. Can you spend $500 bucks and complete abyss and unlock masteries ? Can you scoop up every cav and pay your way to grind for every 6* champ in arena ?

BitterSteel

Texas_11 said:

I honestly believe that people should play the game how they want to. As long as it doesn't mess around with any competitive modes and they are doing it without bots. If they want to farm 3 accounts on 3 phones , and that's how they enjoy the game I don't see anything wrong with that.

As far as Kabam goes they are engaging with the game 3 different times and time is always the biggest currency in the real world. They are more likely to recommend a friend as well.

If cheating is the concern I understand. If deciding how people spend time is his concern who cares.

You can see a player skip 100% exploration of a Act 6 and Act 7 and still end up TB. Just because we had to work a little harder and put more time in doesn't necessarily mean they they have to as well.

I get that, and I see where you’re coming from. But 6 hours work for 2k units is stretching that to the extreme.

If I need to do an abyss path on my main, I need to grind arena for weeks, or even months depending on how much time you have. But now, just load up 2 new accounts and in a few days you have the units to smash out a path no sweat.

You wanna progress in act 6? Just grind out units and transfer the revives and energy refills to your main. No need to actually put in effort there, who cares if you die, just revive with the 100 revives you just transferred to your main.

The issue with this is that it shifts the balance of where it’s worth it to put your time.

Before this change to early acts, there was a balance between the effort you put in on your main to get resources, and the effort you would put in on an alt. The effort/rewards ratio was such that you would only really make an alt if you had the extra time after playing your main.

This change makes that ratio swing so hard on the wrong direction, that rewards are so easy to get on an alt, so that what’s the point playing your main? You put in 6 hours of work on your main right now and let me know how many units you get. Maybe a few hundred? Now do it on an alt, and roll in the 2k units. Not to mention it’s less soul sucking.

Now, the balance is so off-kilter that you may as well not play your main much at all, and spend all your time you would spend on your main grinding out alts. Because why bother with the Cav EQ, when you could get 2k units and gift yourself whatever rewards you would get.

DRTO

I see how it's an exploit, however I really don't think it's that big of an issue. I mean 6 hours is a big time commitment, a lot of players have full time jobs, families, and other hobbies outside of the game. Imagine you work a 9-5, start the new account grind right as you get home, you finish at 11 assuming you get no breaks. Now how many people actually have time to do that? Also how many people have 3 or more devices to play the game on? I get an iPhone and iPad but what else? I doubt a significant majority of the game actually has more devices than that.

Now there are big time grinders that could and would realistically do the 45 day, 3 device new account grind, but I can't imagine that many people do it that it significantly affects the balance of the game. Now you could argue that the top tier players in the top alliances will do it and it could affect the gifting event rankings, but these alliances already spend thousands of dollars fighting for the top spots for this event, so how much of a difference will this exploit really cause?

That's just my opinion if you have a different view I'd love to hear it cause maybe I'm not seeing it. But personally I don't think this really affects 90%+ of the player base, and quite frankly having multiple accounts is something I don't really think needs to be restricted.

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DNA3000 said:

Hoitado said:

I think a simple solution would be to have a creation restriction. Essentially you can only gift if your account has been live for a certain amount of time.

That's a reasonable idea, and I think it is something Kabam should implement, but it wouldn't really solve the issue in the long run. I'm not sure there is a long term clean solution to this problem. The problem is that this kind of exploit sits on a continuum from relatively acceptable behavior to extreme nonsense, and there's no sharp dividing line between the two.

Why is it reasonable to restrict other players? There’s already a level limit in place for gifting! It’s not like he’s cheating and anyone else can do it also, so it’s not like he’s taking advantage of some exploit that no one else can. It’s a joke that the player base in this game are such haters that they worry about the games profits and how to protect Kabam. Should arena grinding and farming potions be off limits too. Should anything you don’t want to do or have time to do be banned so you can keep up? What a joke of a thread


Maybe Kabam should make it so whale’s can’t spend 100k on gifting too… 😂

Yigzz

I would only make a new account in order to grind units for gifting event. Not 200k worth of units, but definitely enough to support the habit

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BitterSteel

DRTO said:

I see how it's an exploit, however I really don't think it's that big of an issue. I mean 6 hours is a big time commitment, a lot of players have full time jobs, families, and other hobbies outside of the game. Imagine you work a 9-5, start the new account grind right as you get home, you finish at 11 assuming you get no breaks. Now how many people actually have time to do that? Also how many people have 3 or more devices to play the game on? I get an iPhone and iPad but what else? I doubt a significant majority of the game actually has more devices than that.

Now there are big time grinders that could and would realistically do the 45 day, 3 device new account grind, but I can't imagine that many people do it that it significantly affects the balance of the game. Now you could argue that the top tier players in the top alliances will do it and it could affect the gifting event rankings, but these alliances already spend thousands of dollars fighting for the top spots for this event, so how much of a difference will this exploit really cause?

That's just my opinion if you have a different view I'd love to hear it cause maybe I'm not seeing it. But personally I don't think this really affects 90%+ of the player base, and quite frankly having multiple accounts is something I don't really think needs to be restricted.

I think BG's example of 280k units was unhelpful, because of course, barely anyone (if any) is going to do 3 devices a day for 45 days. And as a result, many people saw that and just thought "eh, nobody will do that, so what's the problem?" But even an hour or 2 a day can be pretty bad for the game. How much time do you spend playing your main a day? Grinding arena, Cav EQ, even War or AQ? A couple hours probably.

Now transform that into time you now spend making alts, even just 2 hours a day can get you around 30k units going by BG's numbers of 6 hours to make 2k units.