No one is getting shafted. The persistence on this is uncomfortable.
Oh really? If i had exploited this i could have say 3 more 7* on my bg deck at the price of having my account locked for a day. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence either way yet. Hence, the shaft.
No one is getting shafted. The persistence on this is uncomfortable.
Oh really? If i had exploited this i could have say 3 more 7* on my bg deck at the price of having my account locked for a day. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence either way yet. Hence, the shaft.
"If I had exploited this...." is one of the most foolish phrases I've heard on here. There's no justification for exploiting anything. Ever. Not what was done to resolve a bug, not what someone might or might not have gotten to keep, nothing justifies it. This is awkward to watch. "Tell us what you did with someone else's Accounts, and if you didn't take every little thing, you owe us!"
No one is getting shafted. The persistence on this is uncomfortable.
Oh really? If i had exploited this i could have say 3 more 7* on my bg deck at the price of having my account locked for a day. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence either way yet. Hence, the shaft.
"If I had exploited this...." is one of the most foolish phrases I've heard on here. There's no justification for exploiting anything. Ever. Not what was done to resolve a bug, not what someone might or might not have gotten to keep, nothing justifies it. This is awkward to watch. "Tell us what you did with someone else's Accounts, and if you didn't take every little thing, you owe us!"
Look. This isn’t a bug free game by any means. But nobody can claim they thought 1250 5-6* crystals was the intended reward for doing 5 random fights. If you’re not concerned with i’ll-gotten 7* champs, that’s fine. But many of us are, and rightfully so imo. Of course they shouldn’t talk about actions on a specific account. But a general statement isn’t asking too much.
No one is getting shafted. The persistence on this is uncomfortable.
Oh really? If i had exploited this i could have say 3 more 7* on my bg deck at the price of having my account locked for a day. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence either way yet. Hence, the shaft.
"If I had exploited this...." is one of the most foolish phrases I've heard on here. There's no justification for exploiting anything. Ever. Not what was done to resolve a bug, not what someone might or might not have gotten to keep, nothing justifies it. This is awkward to watch. "Tell us what you did with someone else's Accounts, and if you didn't take every little thing, you owe us!"
Behavior uncorrected is behavior accepted. Words alone are not enough to persuade people to make good decisions. Kabam is accountable for correction action against bad behavior. We would not be in this situation if it were as simple as telling them to "do the right thing." Kabam has even made statements that they will take action against exploiters. It still happens, so action is the next step.
Telling people they were shafted or not is pretty awkward, specially from someone who is not an endgame player and pretty sure doesnt whale out on special sales...
Telling people they were shafted or not is pretty awkward, specially from someone who is not an endgame player and pretty sure doesnt whale out on special sales...
Disagree. People are arguing they missed out because they didn't cheat. That's literally the apex of entitlement.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Meh it will affect players casual honest players a lot more than it will end game players... Players like you will start seeing Cavs with 7* in BGs wrecking your 5r5 defenders... You should be livid about this but you really don't care much... And as almost always you are wrong.. the way its being handled creates a precedent where the punishment is not enough... 12hr ban for 2 or 3 7" seems like a great trade off in the future.. and I am not saying I will take advantage; but what stops the people who exploited 1 time to do it a 2nd or 3rd time?.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Again, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. What I'm more averse to is the idea that we're owed something from it.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Again, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. What I'm more averse to is the idea that we're owed something from it.
You are not, people who spent money and keep the lights on yeah they are owed something... Stop trying to piss people off to the point of getting the thread closed.. everyone knows how you act on situations like this. There is no reason for exploiters to stop exploiting with the precedent... But you will evade this point
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Again, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. What I'm more averse to is the idea that we're owed something from it.
You are not, people who spent money and keep the lights on yeah they are owed something... Stop trying to piss people off to the point of getting the thread closed.. everyone knows how you act on situations like this. There is no reason for exploiters to stop exploiting with the precedent... But you will evade this point
Who said I was F2P? I spend. I'm just not blowing this up into something about me when it has nothing to do with me.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Again, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. What I'm more averse to is the idea that we're owed something from it.
You are not, people who spent money and keep the lights on yeah they are owed something... Stop trying to piss people off to the point of getting the thread closed.. everyone knows how you act on situations like this. There is no reason for exploiters to stop exploiting with the precedent... But you will evade this point
Who said I was F2P? I spend. I'm just not blowing this up into something about me when it has nothing to do with me.
I said you didn't whale out or play end game, never called you F2P... If it has nothing to do with you why do you keep on argueing with people being affected?... Kinds awkward
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
A response can both acknowledge their efforts as well as explain some of the short comings. No communication is almost never a good thing in any relationship (family/work/community). I believe I even saw a post where someone claimed they had champs removed that they obtained before the exploit. There really seems to be a lot of questions all the way around. It can be as simple as this: "We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Again, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. What I'm more averse to is the idea that we're owed something from it.
You are not, people who spent money and keep the lights on yeah they are owed something... Stop trying to piss people off to the point of getting the thread closed.. everyone knows how you act on situations like this. There is no reason for exploiters to stop exploiting with the precedent... But you will evade this point
Who said I was F2P? I spend. I'm just not blowing this up into something about me when it has nothing to do with me.
I said you didn't whale out or play end game, never called you F2P... If it has nothing to do with you why do you keep on argueing with people being affected?... Kinds awkward
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I will clarify that when I say "I am owed something" I don't mean compensation or anything like that; but I feel I am owed an answer about how this was handled and how it will be handled in the future.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I'd like to know what legal terms you're referring to.
I will clarify that when I say "I am owed something" I don't mean compensation or anything like that; but I feel I am owed an answer about how this was handled and how it will be handled in the future.
Even if you say I am owed a compensation and if kabam not Fully able to fix this issue then that is a valid request, no second thought on it.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I'd like to know what legal terms you're referring to.
When you say "As a player you are not entitled to anything"
This brings in their term "All rights and account are owned by Kabam".
So Kabam can do anything with this game and all accounts and hence as a player "You are not entitled to anything".
The simple answer is removal of any and all 7* champs obtained by taking advantage of the errors made by the team.
If that means people lose 7* honestly earned 7* shards as well in the process, I’m fine with it. 7*’s are perhaps the most valuable item in game today—it devalues the efforts and resources others put in to obtain them to allow players who exploited to keep them.
But I don’t think issuing an apology to anyone who didn’t exploit the mistake makes sense because I disagree with the premise that players should get rewards for not exploiting. That sets a poor precedent.
For those who want bright line standards re: this type of situation, I would suggest that a situation should become a punishable exploit at the point in time the team posts it to Trello and provides an in-game notification. Otherwise, we are left in the hazy lane of what *should have been known*—if we are going to hold players’ feet to the fire, we should also require the team be held to a reasonable communication standard as well.
While I think this scenario warrants little notice (it is basically a per se “should have known” situation), I don’t like the notion that people can be punished for playing the game in front of them as the team has *published* it to them.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I'd like to know what legal terms you're referring to.
When you say "As a player you are not entitled to anything"
This brings in their term "All rights and account are owned by Kabam".
So Kabam can do anything with this game and all accounts and hence as a player "You are not entitled to anything".
I hope this clears your doubt.
That's not a legal term. It's referring to entitlement. As in feeling entitled.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I'd like to know what legal terms you're referring to.
Bro dont wast your time anymore, this topic Is over let them process that
Well, since we're clearly not going to get a response from Kabam acknowledging the fact that they couldn't fix the issue completely, here's the last screenshot I'll post. Do what you must with the information I've provided on this thread, I certainly know what I'm going to do next time I come across a game breaking bug.
Since this thread is 7 Pages long, let summarise:-
This is basic on the available information that Kabam admits to, what @ItsClobberinTime researched and information from this other thread provided.
Kabam release July Side Quest rewards incorrectly, what should be 1250 Mythic crystal Shards was actually 1250 Mythic Crystals.
Kabam made the correction to the rewards relatively quickly but a number of players had already got these 1250 Mythic crystals (intentionally or unintentionally).
Based on what most players here said they would like to had happened.
1) Kabam should temporarily ban these accounts right away and remove all resources that came from exploiting this bug.
But as we all know that didn't happened, players were able to open and kept whatever they got from these crystals for about 2 weeks. Which would enable them to utilise these champs to make progress gain in Solo content (including 7* Shooting Star quest), Arena and also BG (as the season still had 2 weeks left)
Kabam didn't not take action on these account until 2 weeks after the exploit and after BG season ended.
So the next best option.
2) To temporarily disable access to these accounts and Kabam remove all of the gain these players got during the 2 weeks exploit, including champs, ISO, Gold, Shards ( which included 7* shards from dups) and any gain from Solo contents, Arena and deduction of BG ranking and score.
Based on the information provided from @ItsClobberinTime and the other thread shown that this also did not happened.
Instead players that exploit this bugs, get to have 2 weeks free tries on 100+ new champs (including a few 7* champs, which cost us an arm and a leg to get), utilises all of these new champs in Solo contents, Arena grind, and boosted dex in BG. And after Kabam have removed these champs they got from Mythic crystals 2 weeks later, they get to have all of their rank up resources back, received their BG rewards in full, and seem like even get to keep a few 7* champs.
3) So based on this the 3rd solution would be to give all players that didn't exploit the bugs a "thank you, caring" package (crystals and resource) to balance out the gain the other players had got from the exploit...but nope Kabam said nothing.
Various Kabam admins staffs have been tags into this thread, but all have actively ignoring it.
As @ItsClobberinTime said, based on these information make of it what you will with any future bugs.
Also have a think back on how much did you spent in 4th July event just to get a few 7*shards, while these players got free 7* champs, would you still like to fork out more in the next spending events?
Have a lovely day everyone
No but you're just making over-exaggerated assumptions. The team did the best they could. They don't owe the players anything. Also it's really the player's fault that they exploited the exploit and technically they don't owe us an explanation since it's such a complex issue involving so many steps. This is becoming obsessive and unproductive. Believe me, I look beyond what people want here. We need to stop pretending these things are an excuse to exploit exploitable bugs in the future because kabam is not some money hungry entity and on the other side of it it's just people who are trying their best to solve an issue created by the players and not them. Also, SOMEONE had to interject this thread with logic since everyone has just been throwing around accusations without any substantial evidence.
The best they could? They left 7* on some of those Cav accounts my guy, how can a Cav have a 7*? 6* dupes? They'd be TB already.
Nah, if people who abuse exploits get to leave with some of the stuff they got from the exploit and a slap on the wrists then so do we.
Logic? What logic? You literally just blamed the players only and not Kabam. Your definition of logic is warped, either by delusions or GW cause you sound exactly like him.
No one is getting shafted. The persistence on this is uncomfortable.
Then ignore the thread and move on, nobody cares if you agree or not. I can guarantee yours is the only opinion nobody actually cares about because we know that 1. You don't care that a bunch of Cavs are running around with 7* and 2. You're always there to defend Kabam even when they've messed up.
People are complaining cause they spent money on 4th of july deals and paid for stuff exploiters got to keep. You are putting all the people complaining in the same bag... Like i said.. its pretty awkward for you to decide who got shafted or not
People are arguing they spent money instead of an unforeseeable circumstance they could have taken advantage of, broken the rules, and took a chance some reason might arise they would get to keep something? No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Yep, there is too much entitlement along with carelessness and it is not from player side but KABAM side.
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between. Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
I'd like to know what legal terms you're referring to.
When you say "As a player you are not entitled to anything"
This brings in their term "All rights and account are owned by Kabam".
So Kabam can do anything with this game and all accounts and hence as a player "You are not entitled to anything".
I hope this clears your doubt.
That's not a legal term. It's referring to entitlement. As in feeling entitled.
Yep, feeling entitled comes to customer if they purchase some product from a reputed company and it should always be there
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If i had exploited this i could have say 3 more 7* on my bg deck at the price of having my account locked for a day. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence either way yet.
Hence, the shaft.
This is awkward to watch. "Tell us what you did with someone else's Accounts, and if you didn't take every little thing, you owe us!"
No one is shafted. That's the entitlement I'm talking about.
Players like you will start seeing Cavs with 7* in BGs wrecking your 5r5 defenders... You should be livid about this but you really don't care much...
And as almost always you are wrong.. the way its being handled creates a precedent where the punishment is not enough... 12hr ban for 2 or 3 7" seems like a great trade off in the future.. and I am not saying I will take advantage; but what stops the people who exploited 1 time to do it a 2nd or 3rd time?.
"We are pleased to say that we have taken action against all players who abused this exploit and all unranked champions were removed. However there was technical difficulties removing ranked characters that prevented us from doing so. We also want to assure all players that no additional champions obtained before the exploit were removed. Moving forward with large exploits we will use what we learned from this situation and have the ability to take better corrective actions. As a last remark please note that any behavior that is viewed as an exploit will be addressed and is something we take seriously and can potentially result in bans if needed."
Something along those lines seems appropriate to me.
Stop trying to piss people off to the point of getting the thread closed.. everyone knows how you act on situations like this.
There is no reason for exploiters to stop exploiting with the precedent... But you will evade this point
If it has nothing to do with you why do you keep on argueing with people being affected?... Kinds awkward
If they are selling resources for a price, it is their job to keep resources in check. Also players are 100% entitled for request raised in this discussion chain.
Also, cut your **** by bringing legal terms in between.
Normally those are kept to defend against very very dire circumstances.
If all companies start pulling out their legal terms every now and then then mostly it signifies end of that company.
This brings in their term "All rights and account are owned by Kabam".
So Kabam can do anything with this game and all accounts and hence as a player "You are not entitled to anything".
I hope this clears your doubt.
If that means people lose 7* honestly earned 7* shards as well in the process, I’m fine with it. 7*’s are perhaps the most valuable item in game today—it devalues the efforts and resources others put in to obtain them to allow players who exploited to keep them.
But I don’t think issuing an apology to anyone who didn’t exploit the mistake makes sense because I disagree with the premise that players should get rewards for not exploiting. That sets a poor precedent.
For those who want bright line standards re: this type of situation, I would suggest that a situation should become a punishable exploit at the point in time the team posts it to Trello and provides an in-game notification. Otherwise, we are left in the hazy lane of what *should have been known*—if we are going to hold players’ feet to the fire, we should also require the team be held to a reasonable communication standard as well.
While I think this scenario warrants little notice (it is basically a per se “should have known” situation), I don’t like the notion that people can be punished for playing the game in front of them as the team has *published* it to them.
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Nah, if people who abuse exploits get to leave with some of the stuff they got from the exploit and a slap on the wrists then so do we.
Logic? What logic? You literally just blamed the players only and not Kabam. Your definition of logic is warped, either by delusions or GW cause you sound exactly like him.