These two fights here are a prime example of what’s wrong with act 6 I can think of 3 people who can solo this fight who by the way isn’t even a boss or a mini boss Quake max sig namor and blade Blade requiring you to spam parries and sp1 (I’ve been told his sp1 can’t glance) 3 counters out of 170 champions in the entire game There are many other fights that stand out but this one I feel is one of the best examples because without these champs you will die to unavoidable damage Also on an unrelated note micro reflect says it reflects a portion of damage which is somehow double of what you do don’t get how portion equals 200%
Micro Reflect on a stacked Ant-Man is just awful. It’s the kind of node I cannot stand.
Glancing is passive. No way around it. You would think Energy damage should work — that would seem like a fair option because you’re not making Physical contact, but nope.
I know you know this. But it’s the kind of node I hate because it takes what Electro does that is truly annoying on its own, but actually penalizes you further because the Glance limits your damage — you are getting worked three times over, by the unavoidable damage, the cap on your damage, and the increased power gain by hitting him.
Mix in the higher Attack Rating and you’re just like I get it, it’s supposed to be harder content, but come on
These two fights here are a prime example of what’s wrong with act 6 I can think of 3 people who can solo this fight who by the way isn’t even a boss or a mini boss Quake max sig namor and blade Blade requiring you to spam parries and sp1 (I’ve been told his sp1 can’t glance) 3 counters out of 170 champions in the entire game There are many other fights that stand out but this one I feel is one of the best examples because without these champs you will die to unavoidable damage Also on an unrelated note micro reflect says it reflects a portion of damage which is somehow double of what you do don’t get how portion equals 200%
Micro Reflect on a stacked Ant-Man is just awful. It’s the kind of node I cannot stand.
Glancing is passive. No way around it. You would think Energy damage should work — that would seem like a fair option because you’re not making Physical contact, but nope.
I know you know this. But it’s the kind of node I hate because it takes what Electro does that is truly annoying on its own, but actually penalizes you further because the Glance limits your damage — you are getting worked three times over, by the unavoidable damage, the cap on your damage, and the increased power gain by hitting him.
Mix in the higher Attack Rating and you’re just like I get it, it’s supposed to be harder content, but come on
Also fairly certain ability accuracy reduction doesn’t work on it
Yup. To the best of my knowledge, Glancing is unavoidable
Also something I’ve noticed is glancing bypass ability accuracy reduction immunity because why not
See, I am glad you are bringing this up because it really gets to the heart of what we’re talking about.
This game is simple on the surface, but it can be really, really hard when it slots nodes with unavoidable damage on them on high health opponents.
When you add in damage mitigation...see, people who don’t wade into this stuff consistently don’t understand how hard this stuff is, even with a high-end roster.
I can do Act 6.2-6.4. I have the roster and skills. I am sitting on 6,000 units RIGHT NOW.
That’s not the issue — it’s not about me, me, me.
Like you pointed out, that is just one fight in Act 6. ONE.
There are people who would get absolutely smoked in just that fight. Just that one!
People who think I am just talking because I want free stuff or easier whatever...no. That is not it at all.
I have gamed long enough to know that if the majority of people are gonna get smoked, some of them are just gonna quit and you cannot have a game last like that
These two fights here are a prime example of what’s wrong with act 6 I can think of 3 people who can solo this fight who by the way isn’t even a boss or a mini boss Quake max sig namor and blade Blade requiring you to spam parries and sp1 (I’ve been told his sp1 can’t glance) 3 counters out of 170 champions in the entire game There are many other fights that stand out but this one I feel is one of the best examples because without these champs you will die to unavoidable damage Also on an unrelated note micro reflect says it reflects a portion of damage which is somehow double of what you do don’t get how portion equals 200%
I personally do not mind nodes like this if there is a way to turn this into your advantage. Not only that this is non-existent, there is also that 200% power gain that Kabam loves to put at least on 2-3 whole lanes per chapter. This is really a good elaboration of what is wrong with the node design. Another example I can give is the Vivified/Masochism path in 6.4.5 which is a whole path. Vivified is tough on its own and after they "re-worded" the node since they were not able to make the node work like it was described***, they made the node so that the only power control mechanic that worked was power lock. Since there is masochism, this option is hindered massively as well. Yes you can parry right before the power lock sure but you give the opponent 5% health from the node which is less than ideal. Perfect node design at its finest...
***I would like to include the fact that the change regarding Vivified was done after 2-3 months of the node being bugged and we as map7 vivified runners were not compensated for dealing with a known bug of 2-3 months which is a whole other communication/carelessness issue on its own. It seems whenever we talk about some sort of issue, it leads up to another one and then another one, like the heads of Hydra... That tells a lot to be honest.
I am expecting an announcement from Kabam soon responding to all of this feedback. Hopefully they will explain to us a bunch of exciting things for the future of MCOC!
Actually the game belongs to them, and our right as a customer doesn't involve breaking the ToS. There are rules in place for a reason. We all empathize with things that come up in life. People get sick. They get busy. They can't make it. It's the responsibility of the Alliance to make do without them. Some kick people for things like that, something I see as way too militant, but it's their choice. I didn't want to respond because it's veering off, but it's worth noting that there are certain stresses placed on people by Alliances, not the game. None of which should involve breaking the rules and jeopardizing your Account.
Correct. Our right as a customer doesn't involve breaking the ToS. You're not one to talk because you're behind bars so don't talk about the ToS and "rules".
i still wonder how the bulk of people are gonna get through Act 6.
I could Unit Man it over the next week or so. I have the roster and baseline skill to do it. I could rank up another character or two, like Nick Fury or CMM, and just get it done.
But that isn't the answer. It's a horrible answer.
Because a ton of people don't have the ability to do that, and I know you know how much of a problem that is
I think Act 6.3 offers an answer here. Everyone knows where the really problematic fights are in Act 6, or problematic paths. The 6.3 boosts are designed to partially negate those, but still leave the difficulty pretty high in general. Maybe the long term answer is to let average players buy Act 6 boosts targeted at lowering the difficulty to more nominal levels so they can get through it reasonably.
To make sure that we don't penalize early runners of Act 6, and also because like it or not the highest Act in the game is being used as end game content when it really shouldn't be due to a lack of end game content, we offer special rewards for anyone that can still do Act 6 without those special gateway-busting boosts. If you do Act 6 as it is now, you get special rewards. These would be retroactively awarded to those that have already completed Act 6 or any of its chapters. But future players will have the option to do "normal mode" first, using special boosts that are designed to widen the number of options players can use for tough fights (CT Sinister comes to mind), and then later when their roster gets wider and they get stronger they can always go back and do Act 6 a second time for higher rewards.
Actually, that sounds very much like Variant difficulty. The current Act 6 would be the "Variant" version of Act 6, and the version you see when you decide to use the special boosts would be normal difficulty. Huh. That solves the problem of how to make story arcs palatable for the average player while not eliminating either the challenge or commensurate higher rewards for stronger players, while also creating replay opportunities for the content.
Complete with special boosts - tier 1 rewards. Complete without special boosts - tier 2 rewards. Complete without special boosts and itemless - tier 3 rewards. Complete without special boosts, itemless, and without using any of the top ten used champs - tier 4 rewards.
Actually the game belongs to them, and our right as a customer doesn't involve breaking the ToS. There are rules in place for a reason. We all empathize with things that come up in life. People get sick. They get busy. They can't make it. It's the responsibility of the Alliance to make do without them. Some kick people for things like that, something I see as way too militant, but it's their choice. I didn't want to respond because it's veering off, but it's worth noting that there are certain stresses placed on people by Alliances, not the game. None of which should involve breaking the rules and jeopardizing your Account.
Correct. Our right as a customer doesn't involve breaking the ToS. You're not one to talk because you're behind bars so don't talk about the ToS and "rules".
Getting caught up in an off-topic discussion on the Forum is not the same as Account Sharing and other forms of cheating. Not in the slightest.
Problem as well is how the rewards can be useless I got absolutely nothing good from act 6 100% For example I got a skill t5cc I did not get a skill gem which leaves 1 skill champ who I’d consider worthy of r3 stealth suit spiderman which in the current pool is a 1/119 chance about to be 1/131 Like seriously think about that a 1/131 chance to be able to use the main reward from act 6
First of all, dead serious: I have respect for everyone who 100 percented Act 6. From what I saw when the Brit was doing the later chapters on YouTube, I was just like WHAT. Who is is doing this?
I try not to focus on rewards too much because I never want people to think what I am talking about is influenced by what I could get, but I have said before — even in this thread — that RNG is a horrible way to acknowledge significant milestones like that
i still wonder how the bulk of people are gonna get through Act 6.
I could Unit Man it over the next week or so. I have the roster and baseline skill to do it. I could rank up another character or two, like Nick Fury or CMM, and just get it done.
But that isn't the answer. It's a horrible answer.
Because a ton of people don't have the ability to do that, and I know you know how much of a problem that is
I think Act 6.3 offers an answer here. Everyone knows where the really problematic fights are in Act 6, or problematic paths. The 6.3 boosts are designed to partially negate those, but still leave the difficulty pretty high in general. Maybe the long term answer is to let average players buy Act 6 boosts targeted at lowering the difficulty to more nominal levels so they can get through it reasonably.
To make sure that we don't penalize early runners of Act 6, and also because like it or not the highest Act in the game is being used as end game content when it really shouldn't be due to a lack of end game content, we offer special rewards for anyone that can still do Act 6 without those special gateway-busting boosts. If you do Act 6 as it is now, you get special rewards. These would be retroactively awarded to those that have already completed Act 6 or any of its chapters. But future players will have the option to do "normal mode" first, using special boosts that are designed to widen the number of options players can use for tough fights (CT Sinister comes to mind), and then later when their roster gets wider and they get stronger they can always go back and do Act 6 a second time for higher rewards.
Actually, that sounds very much like Variant difficulty. The current Act 6 would be the "Variant" version of Act 6, and the version you see when you decide to use the special boosts would be normal difficulty. Huh. That solves the problem of how to make story arcs palatable for the average player while not eliminating either the challenge or commensurate higher rewards for stronger players, while also creating replay opportunities for the content.
Complete with special boosts - tier 1 rewards. Complete without special boosts - tier 2 rewards. Complete without special boosts and itemless - tier 3 rewards. Complete without special boosts, itemless, and without using any of the top ten used champs - tier 4 rewards.
I really like where you’re taking this, for the record. People who haven’t hit it yet just have to understand that what you’re talking about makes a lot of sense — retroactively reward those who have completed/explored Act 6, make a “regular version” that the average player can complete or explore — the rewards can reflect the lesser difficulty — and take a deep breath and make Act 7 complex but not as unpleasant
To me, where you’re taking this would really help the vast majority of players who just haven’t seen what this current game can do to punish you
I just posted this in my own thread, as I did not see yours started here @gp87 but yea, I feel the same way that apparently everyone on this thread does. I mean, since I have been playing the game, about two years now, not to much has changed at all. I got a lil excited when the Mole Man quests came out, because those were new and different, but yep, as I feared, we went right back to "business as usual".. I mean, cmon Kabam.. get a clue already.. Anyway, I REALLY hope that the game design team sees these threads, and starts to change the game content, so we can all start having a good time playing COC once again.
Kabam kept on talking about "ruining the game's economy" and how "early players get access to endgame resources" during that interview with Dork Lessons. They haven't changed the economy in a long time now. Maybe they think sig stones are going to ruin the economy... who knows? But the quantities they come in actually ruin the economy more. Sig stones are one of the key factors that separate whales and f2p. If an f2p player even wanted to compete in the prestige race, they would be left in the dust. Kabam is ruining the economy for f2p players in the category of sig stones.
This actually manages to mangle the meaning of the word "economy" worse than when people use the term "meta" to mean "the state of the game."
The game economy, in the context of MCOC (which doesn't contain the player interchange economy some other games have) refers to the relationship between the rate of resources flowing into the game and the demands on those resources due to progressional game play. It does not mean the stuff players want but can't have. The game economy isn't ruined just because a player that spends less falls behind someone that spends more. That's what's supposed to happen.
There's two main ways to earn stuff in the game. Grind time, and spend cash. There's a rough balance between the two, where a certain amount of time earns a comparable amount as a certain amount of cash. Someone who plays but doesn't spend much can keep up with someone that spends but doesn't play much, up to a point. But it is ludicrous to expect that someone who plays but doesn't spend could keep up with someone who plays *and* spends. That makes spending meaningless, and if spending is meaningless no one would spend, and there would be no game.
The players at the very top play and spend. It is completely unreasonable to expect any player that only plays or only spends to be able to keep up with them.
I just wanted to add one more idea that I think Kabam can implement to add multiple ways of progression in mcoc.
Right now MCOC is a time consuming game. This has been well stated by everyone. Getting a lot of important resources: gold, units, rank up materials requires you to put in the time for AQ and arena. A lot of the game is more grindy rather than skill rewarding. Does arena require mad intercepts? No. AQ requires decent skill and you to log in multiple times (even at lower maps such as map 5).
I think Kabam needs to have another mode of progression that is proportionate to your skill. It should give you X rewards for doing Y intercepts. You shouldn't need to have tons of 5/50 4*'s and tons of 3/45 5*'s and tons of time to get all the milestones in arena for units and gold. There should be another mode that can replace this. Kabam could have used incursions as this mode. You need skill to get through not only high level champs. I played incursions with someone with all 4/55's and I had 5/50 4*'s. I got through the rooms just fine, with no items compared to the other person. But from this all I get is some gold and shards. The shards are RNG, what if I get terrible champs (which I have)? Why isn't there other rewards?
I agree with this. The skill-based progression is what I suggested Act 7 should've been. I posted a reimagining of the first quest of Act 7 on page 24, which relies on skill, but I have a touched-up version of it below, where I fixed some issues with the node combinations.
Enjoy!
I LOVE this idea. Having to limit your play to only using your best 2* champs is great. Like in the red room quest that you can only use your 2* champs. I like those quests because they are a lil challenging, and rightly so. But, again, it's still more of the same type of game content that we have been seeing for years now. But, I do like this idea for quest 7. Although I would not be doing it for a while yet, but good idea.
Some suggestions for improvements for Various Game Modes.
Alliance Quest Prestige Race: I personally don’t know how to feel about this since I am a person who does 5x5 because it’s not as time consuming. However, I am aware that Kabam needs funding. So you want players who spend, to continue spending to keep the game alive. At the same time, you don’t want the gap between spending and F2P players to be so great that it’s ONLY pay 2 win. So I’m not sure how to fix the prestige race, except having a better distribution of rewards so the rich aren’t getting more richer than the rest.
Gameplay: the problem seems to be the time requirement. You’re asking us to revolve our life around MCOC, when in actuality we should revolve MCOC around our life. The feeling like you’re babysitting your game because you have to frequently check in with your LINE chats, other alliance mates and having to “optimize” your energy sucks. However, this really only happens because of linked nodes. There’s too much reliability on other alliance mates which makes it feel like you have to constantly check in. I like the idea of playing with other Alliance Mates, but the linked nodes are simply too much. Reduce *significantly* the amount of linked nodes or remove the entirely. You should also increase the energy cap while also lowering the timer to 45 minutes so we’re spending less time checking in.
Alliance War Incursions-like mechanics. I like the idea of the hacks and it certainly can be implemented into War. As you approach the mini bosses, you can choose a hack that will give you great abilities outside of the champion’s base kit OR choose a hack that will put the defender at a disadvantage.
Champion Acquisition Champion Acquisition should be similar to how movies are released. I do not mind the players spending on characters to get them immediately. In fact, as I have mentioned it’s a good thing for the game so Kabam can get their revenue. However, I think champion acquisition should be similar to how a movie is released in theaters. Let’s take the example of the Black Widow movie. If you are interested in being one of the first people to watch Black Widow opening weekend, you are most certainly free to do so. If you wanted to wait until the movie came out on Blu Ray or available for rent so you can watch it in the comfort of your own home, that’s perfectly fine too. The difference between these two options I believe are (1) experiencing a brand new movie in theaters with a whole auditorium and (2) cost. Watching Black Widow opening weekend consists of ticket cost(s) and food cost(s). Because you wanted to be the first one to watch Black Widow you’re spending more than you would have if you bought it on Blu Ray or decided to rent the movie. However, that’s part of the experience. You enjoy being one of the first few and you don’t mind spending a little extra for popcorn, food, and a drink. With that said, champion acquisition should be similar. For those who want the brand new champion when they’re released, they can do so through Cavalier Crystals. However, if you want to wait for 90 days for example, you should be able to get that champion as well if you did X amount of tasks or grinded for Y amount of resources or something of that sort. If you want premium access (one of the first people to get it), you can certainly buy the champion the first week they come out. If you want to play the longer game, you can get the champion later but more f2p friendly. You can also add a Nexus Shard Crystals to reduce RNG. I think a reasonable amount would be 12,500 5* Shards for a Nexus Crystal.
Story Content Story Content outside of Act 5 and Variants 2-4 need to be reconsidered and reworked. The jump from Act 5 to Act 6 is far greater than the jump from Act 4 to Act 5. Not that things should not get difficult as you progress further, but putting a hard wall on players (champion gates, high attack values, terrible boss design like 6.2 Sinister, Mordo, and Champion) advancing is no fun. As a result, I’ve had no motivation to start 6.2 and beyond. Content also seems tailored to specific champions. I like the way Objectives were set up this month because it allowed the players to do a “treasure hunt” of sorts finding a champion they need to fight to get their reward. This could certainly help in questing. For example, if we take Nick Fury, it will look like this in a path in Act 6. Node Name: Master of Espionage. [TARGET]’s bleed duration and potency is increased by 200% Or When [TARGET] would inflict a bleed, [TARGET] inflicts armor breaks as well. This way, it encourages players to find the champion that is best suited for this node AND encourages players to play a champion that’s been in their roster for a long time. I could characters see Yondu, Civil Warrior, Angela, Elektra, Bishop, Iron Fist, Captain America WWII and others get some love in Endgame content.
Arena Adds more time players spend on this game (on top of other things like AQ/AW/Story), which adds frustration. The infinite streak should go away - there should no longer be any death matches. Feels bad for players grinding for Featured Champions and falling short a couple of million to only get rewarded 2000 5* shards after spending 3 whole days in arena. I’m not too sure what could help aside from putting in milestones for champions. Adding a 5* Basic Arena. It’s been said by the devs they don’t want too many arenas because of overflow of resources, but if that’s the case why don’t you combine arenas? The 1-2* and 2-3* arena could be combined together; the 3-4* and 4-5* arena could be combined together; the 5* featured could be as it is; and then you could add a 5* basic arena.
Incursions Gameplay is great. But getting the Top Zone rewards only once a month is a drag. If I didn’t have a person who wanted to play dungeons (i.e. getting invited to play with this person), I wouldn’t go out of my way to play Incursions. The gameplay itself isn’t sufficient enough for me for the effort and time that is required. If Top Zone Rewards can be acquired weekly that would be nice. In conjunction, you could lower the Top Zone Rewards so it isn’t broken.
Kabam what is it gonna take for you to finally realize this. Seatin basically quit and i don't know if you watch his second channel or not but he is having a blast with that 7ds game and it seems like he's gonna play that for a while so idk what it's gonna take for you to change this game cause it needs a major revamp
Some suggestions for improvements for Various Game Modes.
Alliance Quest Prestige Race: I personally don’t know how to feel about this since I am a person who does 5x5 because it’s not as time consuming. However, I am aware that Kabam needs funding. So you want players who spend, to continue spending to keep the game alive. At the same time, you don’t want the gap between spending and F2P players to be so great that it’s ONLY pay 2 win. So I’m not sure how to fix the prestige race, except having a better distribution of rewards so the rich aren’t getting more richer than the rest.
Gameplay: the problem seems to be the time requirement. You’re asking us to revolve our life around MCOC, when in actuality we should revolve MCOC around our life. The feeling like you’re babysitting your game because you have to frequently check in with your LINE chats, other alliance mates and having to “optimize” your energy sucks. However, this really only happens because of linked nodes. There’s too much reliability on other alliance mates which makes it feel like you have to constantly check in. I like the idea of playing with other Alliance Mates, but the linked nodes are simply too much. Reduce *significantly* the amount of linked nodes or remove the entirely. You should also increase the energy cap while also lowering the timer to 45 minutes so we’re spending less time checking in.
Alliance War Incursions-like mechanics. I like the idea of the hacks and it certainly can be implemented into War. As you approach the mini bosses, you can choose a hack that will give you great abilities outside of the champion’s base kit OR choose a hack that will put the defender at a disadvantage.
Champion Acquisition Champion Acquisition should be similar to how movies are released. I do not mind the players spending on characters to get them immediately. In fact, as I have mentioned it’s a good thing for the game so Kabam can get their revenue. However, I think champion acquisition should be similar to how a movie is released in theaters. Let’s take the example of the Black Widow movie. If you are interested in being one of the first people to watch Black Widow opening weekend, you are most certainly free to do so. If you wanted to wait until the movie came out on Blu Ray or available for rent so you can watch it in the comfort of your own home, that’s perfectly fine too. The difference between these two options I believe are (1) experiencing a brand new movie in theaters with a whole auditorium and (2) cost. Watching Black Widow opening weekend consists of ticket cost(s) and food cost(s). Because you wanted to be the first one to watch Black Widow you’re spending more than you would have if you bought it on Blu Ray or decided to rent the movie. However, that’s part of the experience. You enjoy being one of the first few and you don’t mind spending a little extra for popcorn, food, and a drink. With that said, champion acquisition should be similar. For those who want the brand new champion when they’re released, they can do so through Cavalier Crystals. However, if you want to wait for 90 days for example, you should be able to get that champion as well if you did X amount of tasks or grinded for Y amount of resources or something of that sort. If you want premium access (one of the first people to get it), you can certainly buy the champion the first week they come out. If you want to play the longer game, you can get the champion later but more f2p friendly. You can also add a Nexus Shard Crystals to reduce RNG. I think a reasonable amount would be 12,500 5* Shards for a Nexus Crystal.
Story Content Story Content outside of Act 5 and Variants 2-4 need to be reconsidered and reworked. The jump from Act 5 to Act 6 is far greater than the jump from Act 4 to Act 5. Not that things should not get difficult as you progress further, but putting a hard wall on players (champion gates, high attack values, terrible boss design like 6.2 Sinister, Mordo, and Champion) advancing is no fun. As a result, I’ve had no motivation to start 6.2 and beyond. Content also seems tailored to specific champions. I like the way Objectives were set up this month because it allowed the players to do a “treasure hunt” of sorts finding a champion they need to fight to get their reward. This could certainly help in questing. For example, if we take Nick Fury, it will look like this in a path in Act 6. Node Name: Master of Espionage. [TARGET]’s bleed duration and potency is increased by 200% Or When [TARGET] would inflict a bleed, [TARGET] inflicts armor breaks as well. This way, it encourages players to find the champion that is best suited for this node AND encourages players to play a champion that’s been in their roster for a long time. I could characters see Yondu, Civil Warrior, Angela, Elektra, Bishop, Iron Fist, Captain America WWII and others get some love in Endgame content.
Arena Adds more time players spend on this game (on top of other things like AQ/AW/Story), which adds frustration. The infinite streak should go away - there should no longer be any death matches. Feels bad for players grinding for Featured Champions and falling short a couple of million to only get rewarded 2000 5* shards after spending 3 whole days in arena. I’m not too sure what could help aside from putting in milestones for champions. Adding a 5* Basic Arena. It’s been said by the devs they don’t want too many arenas because of overflow of resources, but if that’s the case why don’t you combine arenas? The 1-2* and 2-3* arena could be combined together; the 3-4* and 4-5* arena could be combined together; the 5* featured could be as it is; and then you could add a 5* basic arena.
Incursions Gameplay is great. But getting the Top Zone rewards only once a month is a drag. If I didn’t have a person who wanted to play dungeons (i.e. getting invited to play with this person), I wouldn’t go out of my way to play Incursions. The gameplay itself isn’t sufficient enough for me for the effort and time that is required. If Top Zone Rewards can be acquired weekly that would be nice. In conjunction, you could lower the Top Zone Rewards so it isn’t broken.
These are all great ideas that I also believe kabam should consider. There is also one theme that I keep seeing emerge in most of these threads, and that's the time that is needed to put into the game to get rewards. I agree with this as well. We shouldn't have to grind for a week, of even a few days for a mere 1K worth of 5* shards. This goes double for arena's. We should not be required to grind in arena to try and get to 3Mill points in the slim hope to get one of the champions. Bottom line, the entire game needs to be rethought, and redesigned to be more fun, and worth spending our money on. At least in my HO anyway.
Kabam kept on talking about "ruining the game's economy" and how "early players get access to endgame resources" during that interview with Dork Lessons. They haven't changed the economy in a long time now. Maybe they think sig stones are going to ruin the economy... who knows? But the quantities they come in actually ruin the economy more. Sig stones are one of the key factors that separate whales and f2p. If an f2p player even wanted to compete in the prestige race, they would be left in the dust. Kabam is ruining the economy for f2p players in the category of sig stones.
This actually manages to mangle the meaning of the word "economy" worse than when people use the term "meta" to mean "the state of the game."
The game economy, in the context of MCOC (which doesn't contain the player interchange economy some other games have) refers to the relationship between the rate of resources flowing into the game and the demands on those resources due to progressional game play. It does not mean the stuff players want but can't have. The game economy isn't ruined just because a player that spends less falls behind someone that spends more. That's what's supposed to happen.
There's two main ways to earn stuff in the game. Grind time, and spend cash. There's a rough balance between the two, where a certain amount of time earns a comparable amount as a certain amount of cash. Someone who plays but doesn't spend much can keep up with someone that spends but doesn't play much, up to a point. But it is ludicrous to expect that someone who plays but doesn't spend could keep up with someone who plays *and* spends. That makes spending meaningless, and if spending is meaningless no one would spend, and there would be no game.
The players at the very top play and spend. It is completely unreasonable to expect any player that only plays or only spends to be able to keep up with them.
Are you really going to discuss on the technicalities of what economy means? This is no crossfire in a PF Debate. I am no game designer or economist. The underlying point is that sig stones need to be more common. That's it. An item that has existed for so many years is put largely behind a pay wall or grind wall. Are you saying it should be impossible to get more than 8 class sig stones per month if you don't do both? If you do, I 100% disagree. For lower game players sig stones are helpful to power up their champs, b/c if they don't get enough sig stones, champs which are good with high sig level aren't too useful. Higher tier players need more sig stones to increase their prestige, (even some content creators think this such as Hector). Gating off 90% of the community should not be justified. I don't know if you feel the need for sig stones, but I do, and I am just on the way of getting Cavalier. Normal people should atleast be able to look at those top people and say "I think I can achieve that in the span of the next 1-2 years". Right now, looking at HQ Sean, or COWhale, I know for a fact that I will not get there in the next 2 years. I don't play day and night, and I don't pay any money. The fact that the top is distinguished solely by the amount paid is not good for the game. Most players who call themselves endgame players have sunk huge amounts of time and money into a game. But how many casual players (2-3 hours of play a day) can confidently say "I am endgame" even if they are the most skilled. Most resources should be available for every aspect of play, the amount spent, the time put in, and the skill of the player. Sig stones definitely do not follow the division of resources.
And btw, in the Dork Lessons interview they used the word economy in the same way. I don't see how adding sig stones will, in your words, change "the relationship between the rate of resources flowing into the game and the demands on those resources due to progressional game play".
And from now on, I won't even refute people's points since this is a feedback thread not an arguments and technicalities thread.
Seatin: more time away from game (burn out and boring, game is going nowherw
MCOC Community: more balance (more champions becoming useful) more alliance quest and war energy (less log-ins throughout the day) more rewards as game becomes more difficult more chances to pull a beyond God / God tier champ more mastery points more new in game content more fun (less punishing, frustrating nodes)
Kabam: more post to somehow show players we’re listening but actually we’re not more of the same (players will still play, whales will be whales, we’re ok more human and financial resouces to MROC
Me: The concept, character design, animations is IMO the best of all the Marvel games out there. The developers are amazing. I guess being on top, earning millions a month has gotten into Kabam’s head. Watever they do or do not do as long as they rake in the millions, it’s ok. Being on top has made Kabam lazy, greedy and unresponsive to its players. C’mon now, do you really think Kabam will implement sudden changes to MCOC with June just around the corner? I bet its all hands, all funds on deck for MROC at Kabam HQ.
Im sure im still gonna play this game till the day it ends. Im also sure that someone who has read all the pages in this thread, believe that Seatin is not responsible for all this discussions.
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Glancing is passive. No way around it. You would think Energy damage should work — that would seem like a fair option because you’re not making Physical contact, but nope.
I know you know this. But it’s the kind of node I hate because it takes what Electro does that is truly annoying on its own, but actually penalizes you further because the Glance limits your damage — you are getting worked three times over, by the unavoidable damage, the cap on your damage, and the increased power gain by hitting him.
Mix in the higher Attack Rating and you’re just like I get it, it’s supposed to be harder content, but come on
This game is simple on the surface, but it can be really, really hard when it slots nodes with unavoidable damage on them on high health opponents.
When you add in damage mitigation...see, people who don’t wade into this stuff consistently don’t understand how hard this stuff is, even with a high-end roster.
I can do Act 6.2-6.4. I have the roster and skills. I am sitting on 6,000 units RIGHT NOW.
That’s not the issue — it’s not about me, me, me.
Like you pointed out, that is just one fight in Act 6. ONE.
There are people who would get absolutely smoked in just that fight. Just that one!
People who think I am just talking because I want free stuff or easier whatever...no. That is not it at all.
I have gamed long enough to know that if the majority of people are gonna get smoked, some of them are just gonna quit and you cannot have a game last like that
***I would like to include the fact that the change regarding Vivified was done after 2-3 months of the node being bugged and we as map7 vivified runners were not compensated for dealing with a known bug of 2-3 months which is a whole other communication/carelessness issue on its own. It seems whenever we talk about some sort of issue, it leads up to another one and then another one, like the heads of Hydra... That tells a lot to be honest.
I keep saying that it’s not about me making this game better for me. It’s that I recognize that holy smokes, that is not fun
People just like to insult when they can't back their arguments.
To make sure that we don't penalize early runners of Act 6, and also because like it or not the highest Act in the game is being used as end game content when it really shouldn't be due to a lack of end game content, we offer special rewards for anyone that can still do Act 6 without those special gateway-busting boosts. If you do Act 6 as it is now, you get special rewards. These would be retroactively awarded to those that have already completed Act 6 or any of its chapters. But future players will have the option to do "normal mode" first, using special boosts that are designed to widen the number of options players can use for tough fights (CT Sinister comes to mind), and then later when their roster gets wider and they get stronger they can always go back and do Act 6 a second time for higher rewards.
Actually, that sounds very much like Variant difficulty. The current Act 6 would be the "Variant" version of Act 6, and the version you see when you decide to use the special boosts would be normal difficulty. Huh. That solves the problem of how to make story arcs palatable for the average player while not eliminating either the challenge or commensurate higher rewards for stronger players, while also creating replay opportunities for the content.
Complete with special boosts - tier 1 rewards.
Complete without special boosts - tier 2 rewards.
Complete without special boosts and itemless - tier 3 rewards.
Complete without special boosts, itemless, and without using any of the top ten used champs - tier 4 rewards.
I try not to focus on rewards too much because I never want people to think what I am talking about is influenced by what I could get, but I have said before — even in this thread — that RNG is a horrible way to acknowledge significant milestones like that
To me, where you’re taking this would really help the vast majority of players who just haven’t seen what this current game can do to punish you
Anyway, I REALLY hope that the game design team sees these threads, and starts to change the game content, so we can all start having a good time playing COC once again.
The game economy, in the context of MCOC (which doesn't contain the player interchange economy some other games have) refers to the relationship between the rate of resources flowing into the game and the demands on those resources due to progressional game play. It does not mean the stuff players want but can't have. The game economy isn't ruined just because a player that spends less falls behind someone that spends more. That's what's supposed to happen.
There's two main ways to earn stuff in the game. Grind time, and spend cash. There's a rough balance between the two, where a certain amount of time earns a comparable amount as a certain amount of cash. Someone who plays but doesn't spend much can keep up with someone that spends but doesn't play much, up to a point. But it is ludicrous to expect that someone who plays but doesn't spend could keep up with someone who plays *and* spends. That makes spending meaningless, and if spending is meaningless no one would spend, and there would be no game.
The players at the very top play and spend. It is completely unreasonable to expect any player that only plays or only spends to be able to keep up with them.
Alliance Quest
Prestige Race: I personally don’t know how to feel about this since I am a person who does 5x5 because it’s not as time consuming. However, I am aware that Kabam needs funding. So you want players who spend, to continue spending to keep the game alive. At the same time, you don’t want the gap between spending and F2P players to be so great that it’s ONLY pay 2 win. So I’m not sure how to fix the prestige race, except having a better distribution of rewards so the rich aren’t getting more richer than the rest.
Gameplay: the problem seems to be the time requirement. You’re asking us to revolve our life around MCOC, when in actuality we should revolve MCOC around our life. The feeling like you’re babysitting your game because you have to frequently check in with your LINE chats, other alliance mates and having to “optimize” your energy sucks. However, this really only happens because of linked nodes. There’s too much reliability on other alliance mates which makes it feel like you have to constantly check in. I like the idea of playing with other Alliance Mates, but the linked nodes are simply too much. Reduce *significantly* the amount of linked nodes or remove the entirely. You should also increase the energy cap while also lowering the timer to 45 minutes so we’re spending less time checking in.
Alliance War
Incursions-like mechanics. I like the idea of the hacks and it certainly can be implemented into War. As you approach the mini bosses, you can choose a hack that will give you great abilities outside of the champion’s base kit OR choose a hack that will put the defender at a disadvantage.
Champion Acquisition
Champion Acquisition should be similar to how movies are released. I do not mind the players spending on characters to get them immediately. In fact, as I have mentioned it’s a good thing for the game so Kabam can get their revenue. However, I think champion acquisition should be similar to how a movie is released in theaters.
Let’s take the example of the Black Widow movie. If you are interested in being one of the first people to watch Black Widow opening weekend, you are most certainly free to do so. If you wanted to wait until the movie came out on Blu Ray or available for rent so you can watch it in the comfort of your own home, that’s perfectly fine too. The difference between these two options I believe are (1) experiencing a brand new movie in theaters with a whole auditorium and (2) cost. Watching Black Widow opening weekend consists of ticket cost(s) and food cost(s). Because you wanted to be the first one to watch Black Widow you’re spending more than you would have if you bought it on Blu Ray or decided to rent the movie. However, that’s part of the experience. You enjoy being one of the first few and you don’t mind spending a little extra for popcorn, food, and a drink.
With that said, champion acquisition should be similar. For those who want the brand new champion when they’re released, they can do so through Cavalier Crystals. However, if you want to wait for 90 days for example, you should be able to get that champion as well if you did X amount of tasks or grinded for Y amount of resources or something of that sort. If you want premium access (one of the first people to get it), you can certainly buy the champion the first week they come out. If you want to play the longer game, you can get the champion later but more f2p friendly.
You can also add a Nexus Shard Crystals to reduce RNG. I think a reasonable amount would be 12,500 5* Shards for a Nexus Crystal.
Story Content
Story Content outside of Act 5 and Variants 2-4 need to be reconsidered and reworked. The jump from Act 5 to Act 6 is far greater than the jump from Act 4 to Act 5. Not that things should not get difficult as you progress further, but putting a hard wall on players (champion gates, high attack values, terrible boss design like 6.2 Sinister, Mordo, and Champion) advancing is no fun. As a result, I’ve had no motivation to start 6.2 and beyond.
Content also seems tailored to specific champions. I like the way Objectives were set up this month because it allowed the players to do a “treasure hunt” of sorts finding a champion they need to fight to get their reward. This could certainly help in questing. For example, if we take Nick Fury, it will look like this in a path in Act 6.
Node Name: Master of Espionage. [TARGET]’s bleed duration and potency is increased by 200%
Or When [TARGET] would inflict a bleed, [TARGET] inflicts armor breaks as well.
This way, it encourages players to find the champion that is best suited for this node AND encourages players to play a champion that’s been in their roster for a long time. I could characters see Yondu, Civil Warrior, Angela, Elektra, Bishop, Iron Fist, Captain America WWII and others get some love in Endgame content.
Arena
Adds more time players spend on this game (on top of other things like AQ/AW/Story), which adds frustration. The infinite streak should go away - there should no longer be any death matches. Feels bad for players grinding for Featured Champions and falling short a couple of million to only get rewarded 2000 5* shards after spending 3 whole days in arena. I’m not too sure what could help aside from putting in milestones for champions.
Adding a 5* Basic Arena. It’s been said by the devs they don’t want too many arenas because of overflow of resources, but if that’s the case why don’t you combine arenas? The 1-2* and 2-3* arena could be combined together; the 3-4* and 4-5* arena could be combined together; the 5* featured could be as it is; and then you could add a 5* basic arena.
Incursions
Gameplay is great. But getting the Top Zone rewards only once a month is a drag. If I didn’t have a person who wanted to play dungeons (i.e. getting invited to play with this person), I wouldn’t go out of my way to play Incursions. The gameplay itself isn’t sufficient enough for me for the effort and time that is required. If Top Zone Rewards can be acquired weekly that would be nice. In conjunction, you could lower the Top Zone Rewards so it isn’t broken.
Bottom line, the entire game needs to be rethought, and redesigned to be more fun, and worth spending our money on. At least in my HO anyway.
And btw, in the Dork Lessons interview they used the word economy in the same way. I don't see how adding sig stones will, in your words, change "the relationship between the rate of resources flowing into the game and the demands on those resources due to progressional game play".
And from now on, I won't even refute people's points since this is a feedback thread not an arguments and technicalities thread.
MCOC Community:
more balance (more champions becoming useful)
more alliance quest and war energy (less log-ins throughout the day)
more rewards as game becomes more difficult
more chances to pull a beyond God / God tier champ
more mastery points
more new in game content
more fun (less punishing, frustrating nodes)
Kabam: more post to somehow show players we’re listening but actually we’re not
more of the same (players will still play, whales will be whales, we’re ok
more human and financial resouces to MROC
Me: The concept, character design, animations is IMO the best of all the Marvel games out there. The developers are amazing. I guess being on top, earning millions a month has gotten into Kabam’s head. Watever they do or do not do as long as they rake in the millions, it’s ok. Being on top has made Kabam lazy, greedy and unresponsive to its players. C’mon now, do you really think Kabam will implement sudden changes to MCOC with June just around the corner? I bet its all hands, all funds on deck for MROC at Kabam HQ.
Im sure im still gonna play this game till the day it ends. Im also sure that someone who has read all the pages in this thread, believe that Seatin is not responsible for all this discussions.
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