16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Guess what, even the arenas now is catered towards endgame players with a wide roster of 5* 6* and the whales. Nice try Kabam. Let's pray for those FTP milestones grinder whose dreams are shattered with this new structure. I hope they still get their sleep if they ever grind for the units lol.
You're killing f2p players way of getting units with having 2 arenas where the top milestone is 16.5m each. Not a positive change for the majority of the player base I'm afraid. Disappointed.
And this is exactly what I was worried about. I depend on grinding 4 arenas at once to quickly get all the units and milestones I can. Really worried its gonna severly hurt how much I can accumulate now
Yeah, exactly. This is not a positive change at all, and to do this 1.5 month before July 4th is kinda of a shady move.
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Please change it back dude, you need to hit 7 million points to start getting 15 units in ONE arena for one milestone, God forbid anybody doing both of those arenas at the same time
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
i'll go ahead and speak as another ftp player. prior to these changes, i would hit the first two milestones in the summoner trails, the 2/3* arena, the 3/4* arena, and the 5/6* arena. I would get about 3 million in the 4/5* arena, and i would get about 250 units per every 3 day arena. i estimate that i'll get about 150 now per every 3 days
i think that these changes really only benefit people who go for rank rewards. great for them, terrible for the other 95% of the playerbase
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
I used to hit 12mill in 5 star featured, 4 mill in 4 star featured, 1.6 mill in 4 star basic, 650k in 3 star featured and if I can find the time 260k in the summoner trial. If I really wanted to go hard, I will go 22 mill in 6 star featured, 4.5 mill in the 4 star featured and the rest are same. I usually skip the 2 star one because there are no boosts to speed up the grind. With this new change, its completely out of the picture that I can hit all milestones in both the 6 star arenas. 16.5 mill will take roughly 5 rounds with my 51 6 star champs and the maximum natural refreshes is 6, 7 if I push myself. This is actually a lot worse for me since I lose the units from one of the arenas. This is why we were asking to reveal the milestones so that we can give some feedback. smh
I give up please if this is what you call quality of life improvement. The new arena format is trash, why 16.5m for milestones that's just insane , sometimes I wonder if kabam actually listens to the player base.
Here's another way to view the changes from the old system - these are APPROXIMATIONS
Old 5* featured: approx 60 rounds of 6* champs to get full 12 million milestones Old 4* featured: approx 40 rounds of r4/r5 5* champs to get full 4 million milestones Old 4* basic: approx 40 rounds of 4* champs to get full 1.5 million milestones
So 140 rounds to get all milestones
Now compare that to the 2 new 6* arenas
Each has 16.5 million for max milestones, so you need 33 million to get all milestones
That is approx. 167 rounds of ONLY 6* CHAMPS!!!!!!! So not only do you need a large enough 6* roster to run them 167 times, it still is 20% more rounds than the old 140 rounds WHERE YOU COULD USE 4* and 5* CHAMPS
So this change is bad for all arena grinders of all levels
- high level rosters still need to put up 167 rounds of only 6* vs 140 in old arenas - small 6* rosters will have no chance of getting both, or even 1 of max milestones
I ask the community to check my math but I really hoper Kabam reviews this change as it has greatly increased, not decreased, the grind.
Total dud of a change for a casual arena grinder. Nothing else to say. Do more than double the work for the same units. Nice way of killing F2P way to get units for Content/offers.
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
I could run all milestones across all arenas and get the same units as what you get now. That is 12 mill in 5* arena, 4 mill in 4* Featured, 1.5 mill in 4* basic, 540k in the 3* and 250k in the 2* arena. Those were easy to run if I had time since champs never repeated. Now, running 2 arena that both need the same champs, yet with even higher milestone cutoffs makes it a definite thing that I can't reach it.
it UTTERLY SUCKS!!! Now I'll be able to only cover the milestones for a single arena, given the limitations of my roster. Given that, what you achieved with this, is to halve the potential unit gain from farming arenas. Low blow and quite frankly me and my alliance mates are contemplating dropping the game. We can't spend much and we're endgame player. I have explored everything up to 6.1, the last 4 variants, 7.1. I finally got aegon and I'm planning an abyss run. I seriously don't think this is an improvement for my game experience. Actually, it makes me wanna quit. And I'm an occasional spender, since for the dobloon event I wasted money to purchase stuff. So it's not like you're losing only free to play players. Trust me on this, it's absurd to expect one can cover 16.5 millions in 2 arenas. Arena milestones are stupid. Just stupid. Unless you put more arena milestones and more units for lower scores, this is game breaking for many of us
not to mention: RANK REWARDS ARE A JOKE!!! Unless you can push for the top 30% in a single arena, you get absolutely nothing while as before with my grind I could scrap together 100 6s shards and 1500 5s shards, now I feel like 16,5 mln in a single arena will get me 250 5s shards. Absurd
As F2P and casual unit grinder this hurts very bad. Units scaling with milestone is very tough achieve(actually this kills my motivation). TBH I hoped for positive change but I am disappointed
Seriously. For the same effort I used to grind 405 units now I get 307 units. That is absolute trash! The 5 unit total gain is nothing if you do not have the champions to grind them with. This is a big middle finger to none whale players. I used to like arena, and it game me some pretty good units, but this is absolute bull. Sorry for the language.
This sucks Kabam. You see all the negative feedback, at least change it back now. And once you do, at least focus on making the rewards better, and keep the rest of everything the same. @Kabam Miike
Wow this does not look too good. I'd usually put 4 Mil in the 4* featured and 1.5 Mil in the basic. Getting me all milestones for each. That got me 270 units for about 4 Mil points with 5* and 1.5Mil with 4*. Now doing the same gets me 105 from the summoner trials and 55 from the 4-6* arena. From 270 to 160. Really not a fan of this.
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
@Kabam Miike i do all milestones across all arenas. This is way to high on your milestones you pretty much going to require f2p players more time to do arena for extra 5 units. How’s that an improvement?
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Before u could do play the 5stars in 4star feature arena and the 6stars in 5star feature arena.. As of now the champions usage overlap.. Even if its the same milestones in number, it's a lot harder to get them, because 6stars are less and also longer cooldown
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Sure Miike happy to help with the feedback. I am a thronebreaker FTP and a recent arena MILESTONE grinder and my roster isn’t that stacked so I manage grinding accordingly. I get every single milestone done, across all the arenas. It takes me 3 days to complete the 4 star featured and 5 star featured. Summoner Trials, the 3 star one and 4 star basic are easy to finish due to the refresh rate. So I complete the 5 star featured within like 2 days using mostly my 6 star roster and the 4 star featured with a day or a day and a half, but yes I manage to complete it all. Never grinded for Champs, only for units and the new milestones are a dealbreaker. Just can’t reach that much in both the arenas, with the refresh rate for 5 stars and 6 star champs, not to mention, that most of the people have less 6 stars. Champion overlapping isn’t great in the new system. Can do one for 16.5M and the other one for a MAX of maybe 2-3M. But honestly, I think I speak for all FTPs here when I say that the previous system was way more comfortable.
Personally i used to always complete 3* featured which gives 65 units and 4* basic which gives 135 units so 200 units for 3 days = 400 a week *4 = 1600 units just from arena per month.
Now they removed 3* featured and new 4* arena as higher milestones than 4* basic now and total it only gives 140 units .
Loss of 120 units a week means 480 units monthly. As a F2P , it impacted me greatly .
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Maybe if you have 100 6* champions the effort is the same. But MOST people don`t. So if you have the perfect roster, with the perfect amount of champions of the highest rarity. You might need the same amount of rounds. But people have far more 3*, 4* and 5* champions. As an example. if you have all the milestones of 1 arena now. That is about the same as the 4* featured and 5* featured put together. But you would get 270 units. For that same amount of point now, with the same champs used you get 200 units. That is a lot less. That is what is the problem here.
16.5M for one is too much and I am a milestone grinder. I will not be able to grind for 33M. Just can’t. As an FTP, guess my hopes for July 4th are in the trash
I'm Curious: Prior to these Changes, how many Milestones across all of the Arenas did you used to complete? If you don't remember that, do you remember how many Units approx you'd earn from Milestones per Arena run?
i'll go ahead and speak as another ftp player. prior to these changes, i would hit the first two milestones in the summoner trails, the 2/3* arena, the 3/4* arena, and the 5/6* arena. I would get about 3 million in the 4/5* arena, and i would get about 250 units per every 3 day arena. i estimate that i'll get about 150 now per every 3 days
i think that these changes really only benefit people who go for rank rewards. great for them, terrible for the other 95% of the playerbase
Same boat here as @TheBair123. C'mon guys. Please adjust. I'm very disappointed. My wife is delighted.
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Our goal is to keep the effort roughly the same, but of course, with reducing the number of Arenas, that's going to be difficult. With the change of the rarities allowed in each Arena, the points are definitely going to be different, but we want to keep the effort roughly the same.
If that's not the case, we want to know! We won't know that on the first day or possibly even the first run, but please keep the feedback coming.
Basic should be 4*/5* champs only.
Let us do them both.
Nice try Kabam.
Let's pray for those FTP milestones grinder whose dreams are shattered with this new structure.
I hope they still get their sleep if they ever grind for the units lol.
i think that these changes really only benefit people who go for rank rewards. great for them, terrible for the other 95% of the playerbase
With this new change, its completely out of the picture that I can hit all milestones in both the 6 star arenas. 16.5 mill will take roughly 5 rounds with my 51 6 star champs and the maximum natural refreshes is 6, 7 if I push myself. This is actually a lot worse for me since I lose the units from one of the arenas. This is why we were asking to reveal the milestones so that we can give some feedback. smh
Old 5* featured: approx 60 rounds of 6* champs to get full 12 million milestones
Old 4* featured: approx 40 rounds of r4/r5 5* champs to get full 4 million milestones
Old 4* basic: approx 40 rounds of 4* champs to get full 1.5 million milestones
So 140 rounds to get all milestones
Now compare that to the 2 new 6* arenas
Each has 16.5 million for max milestones, so you need 33 million to get all milestones
That is approx. 167 rounds of ONLY 6* CHAMPS!!!!!!! So not only do you need a large enough 6* roster to run them 167 times, it still is 20% more rounds than the old 140 rounds WHERE YOU COULD USE 4* and 5* CHAMPS
So this change is bad for all arena grinders of all levels
- high level rosters still need to put up 167 rounds of only 6* vs 140 in old arenas
- small 6* rosters will have no chance of getting both, or even 1 of max milestones
I ask the community to check my math but I really hoper Kabam reviews this change as it has greatly increased, not decreased, the grind.
I could run all milestones across all arenas and get the same units as what you get now. That is 12 mill in 5* arena, 4 mill in 4* Featured, 1.5 mill in 4* basic, 540k in the 3* and 250k in the 2* arena. Those were easy to run if I had time since champs never repeated. Now, running 2 arena that both need the same champs, yet with even higher milestone cutoffs makes it a definite thing that I can't reach it.
The 5 unit total gain is nothing if you do not have the champions to grind them with. This is a big middle finger to none whale players. I used to like arena, and it game me some pretty good units, but this is absolute bull.
Sorry for the language.
Now they removed 3* featured and new 4* arena as higher milestones than 4* basic now and total it only gives 140 units .
Loss of 120 units a week means 480 units monthly. As a F2P , it impacted me greatly .
As an example. if you have all the milestones of 1 arena now. That is about the same as the 4* featured and 5* featured put together. But you would get 270 units. For that same amount of point now, with the same champs used you get 200 units. That is a lot less.
That is what is the problem here.