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Developers Thoughts: Improving Alliance Wars Discussion Thread
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If aw wasn't already a money pit your find people more receptive to your ideas.
That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself
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Yeah of course, but the 15 hits thing does not affect the champs you would bring in to war.
You can still work around bleed immune by using other sources of damage like furies, power burn, etc. And blade still gets an attack boost with danger sense + AAR, so it's not like he's completely useless
What about gwenpool and aa then?
yeah, they will be useless, can't do anything about it though. Kabam wants us to be challenged
Make attack teams using 5 champs instead 3. Possibly increase defensive teams to 6. With the right synergy, anything is possible. Even teams you would never attack with would be an option with new synergies on a full team.
Using a team with Agent Venom, Venom, Carnage, Spidey, and “insert favorite champ” would grant the entire team an incredible boost to attack and health. (Add 5* Venom for +30% attack & +30% health) Any other champ still grants team up to 20-25% overall boost. With unique synergies to boot.
This would essintily rank your entire team. (2/3 of the way) Nearly all champions, regardless of what teir, increases their base attack and health by 40-50% when ranked. Crit damage, Armor, block resist, etc. remain the same. Abilities could be “ranked” or buffed in the same way. Another way would be to grant any champion placed on Offense/Defense -or both- an instant rank up when used. Increments of one rank, or even up to max rank & level.
Well, to be fair, they specifically said the intention wasn't for the rotating Nodes to be more challenging. When I said the purpose of the Nodes was to be difficult, I was speaking literally. The literal purpose of a Bleed Immunity Node is to add difficulty to any Champ that uses Bleed. However, intrinsically the Nodes will be more challenging until people adjust to what they entail. Once people have what they need to sufficiently navigate the rotation, it won't pose much more of a challenge. I agree with you, though. There are ways around them, and they won't last forever.
[after +20.000 views and +650 comments]
"Dear Summoners, we didn't answered to any of your questions or concerns but rest assured the team will receive every comment that you wrote. We will continue with the announced changes. Thank you for your feedback, even though it doesn't matter at all. We will close soon this thread because we don't like where this conversation is heading. Also, don't forget to purchase from Unit Store the amazing deals that will push your champions forward in game. Have I mentioned that the changes we announced will be made live? Yes, I did. Okay. That's about it. See you on another Friday with another great announcement from Kabam."
Of course not haha, it's the general community's perception of kabam
I suppose the expectation goes as follows:
"Greetings Summoners,
I just wanted to drop in and let you know I've taken the feedback to the team, and we've decided not to run the Nodes. We understand you haven't even tried it, and we value your feedback. The last thing we would want is for you to try something new. In the future, we hope to run every decision by you before we implement it so you never have to do anything you don't want to do. Thanks for guiding us in designing the game.".
"Even though you put a lot of effort into gaining and ranking the champs we know are great but can't admit to because we need you to believe every champ has genuine uses we are making changes that devalue that effort.
Previously, actively altering champs fits the criteria for a RDT so of late we introduced "bug fixes" in the hope that would keep you guys quiet but that didn't work either. ref: Drax and AA
Instead of nerfing your champs and closing a bunch of threads, we will just alter the parameters of the most lucrative part of the game so the guys you use a lot are useless or nowhere near as good as they are in EQ. Since it is entirely your choice if you choose to use these affected champs in this game mode despite their reduced effectiveness there is no way in hell we will entertain thoughts of RDT's but feel free to complain for a while and burn yourselves out.
Check and mate, oops, that wasn't supposed to make the text"
Why these discussions go one way?
Where is Kabam?
I respectfully disagree. On both counts. As for the first statement; because you have never experienced AW at the level we’re currently discussing (i.e. at a level where the node even comes into play) you have no knowledge of the (cough) pre-node difficulty and/or of the viable counters the different paths allow(ed), either pre- or post this change. Saying ‘people don’t like hearing it’ sounds like you are dishing out hard facts of life, like some elderly, pipe-smoking patron. Unfortunately, we have already established you can’t claim such a position, since you have no meaningful experience to draw from.
Even though I’m glad you admit it can pose problems for some – what percentage of the affected player-base, would be you best guess? – I can’t quite agree with you here. Firstly, I don’t subscribe to the notion that this node will promote diversity. As has been pointed out over and over in this discussion, there are more effective ways to attain that goal. In my book, this is simply an attempt to rack up more profits, albeit an attempt that’s all dressed up and smelling of strangers. Even if you do buy the official reason (it’s a free world), you could do with a more solid grasp of both the scope and impact. As I’ve (rather unsuccessfully) tried to get across before, the majority of players this ‘global node’ impacts have very limited counter options. The ‘bottom end of the demographic’ you mention, is, in fact, the majority.
No, the majority doesn’t have (valid) options. That’s the entire issue that’s being raised here.
No, it isn’t. Rather, it’s the reason why the majority doesn’t have (valid) options.
Yes, it will take adjusting. As in; buying (even) more potions and boosts. And yes, in a way, that is – welcome or not - a change in the way people play. There is, again, for the demographic we’ve mentioned, no way to adjust to this change in any way, shape or form, other than to buy/use more items. Only a negligible few summoners will just happen to have the rank up materials on hand to upgrade a champ that might just make a difference. And ranking that champ up for this reason (a single AW season) alone would be, as you’ve pointed out countless times before, not a wise decision. Right?
Of course you’re not. But the number of players who maxed their, say, Blade’s, KM’s and AA’s is huge. And vastly outshines the number of players who made alternative choices.
Again, no, just no. I think all players that have been around for a while (and those are the ones we are talking about) fully realize everything in this game is subject to change. There have been so many examples in the recent past, I’d be hard-pressed if any six month ‘veteran’ would be surprised if Doc Oc suddenly wore a thong and shot unicorns out of his backside that vaporized the opposition, while humming the Sound of Music theme-song. That’s not the point. The point is that given the scarcity of (higher end) rank-up materials, the importance and (cough) ‘lucrativity’ of alliance wars, combined with the difficulty of AW at higher levels, most players made similar rank-up choices. The meta dictated those.
Not quite. The bottom line is, it’s a rotating node that many will have to put a significant number of units in, in the hope of ever so slightly adjusting to it. That this makes it no different than any other change Kabam coughs up, we CAN agree on.
Mindfully yours, borntohula
I asked Miike for a reason. I want to hear from the horse's mouth how they think that nerfing all bleed champ doesn't make it more difficult and warrant increased rewards.
100% correct.
"We'll totally look at the results, like potion and boost sales, in next season to see how we can make AW even more expensive in season 6!"
Certain changes have been good, but overall you guys are losing business. After every season, spenders and those in top allies are burnt out and dissappointed that we see so many people retiring and gone for good. This is not about piloting or aw season or aq, but about the decisions and handling methods you guys take... neglecting where your $ comes from. I am not saying those who are in the wrong should not be punished. Dont misunderstand. Mayb you guys are lacking marketing strategies for your spending base to keep them excited and have goal to continue.
If you check every single alliance from gold1 to masters...you can immediately see the changes in members and alliances.
As a game that is in its maturity life cycle or beyond...I would like to remind you that retaining your current playerbase should be your priority, not the other stuff...
I hope for great changes for upcoming season and one that will encourage fair competition and create excitement to the battlerealm.
- Female Champions you bring to this fight receive increased Class Bonus effects. Half of the Attack bonus is always applied. Specific tuning values will be revealed soon
- Amped up affects the Attacker, so bringing in Female Champions will give your Attack team an offensive boost!
Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.
@Kabam Miike can you now share more information?
Blade 10000000%
That’s where the line is blurred, as a player we see a line every time kabam draw one and when we get near they draw another, they have a long term plan of the direction and ideas but we only see what’s there and this is what causes the problems, maybe if they were telling us now about changes to season 6 it would be less of a huge thing.
Regarding the “intentions not to increase dificulty”
You are nerfing bleed champs and buffing female champs ( some of which rely heavily on bleed ) so how many champs will suffer from a nerf and how many from a buff?
I think you will find the odds are stacked heavily on the nerf side compaired to the buff side, so please explain this @Kabam Miike