Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Thank you!!! Zibiit this helps alot. Maybe I'll be comfortable to sleep today
it's not ghost specific. the AI recovers AND acts quicker in several situations. let your time between hits increase just a bit and the AI will attack, dex, or throw a special much more frequently/quicker than it used to.
this has 2 effects. 1. ghost's can't use that as an opening to land hit's anymore. 2. you can use it to intercept or bait specials in a way that you couldn't previously.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Nice to see them actually acknowledge the thread. I mean there's a lot of proof provided that something HAS changed in the videos within this thread alone (as well as some on reddit I believe). Intended or not the issue is real so hopefully you guys at Kabam treat this properly as it definitely impacts the resources many people used in game. Thanks.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
So why parry and recovery from AI is 3 to 5 frame faster?
You may troll a casul, but i come from Dark Souls competitive PVP, i could tell if an AI sneezes half a microsecond earlier with 2 duels.
Your AI is a mess after update. And even for a non keen eye, if what used to work before doesnt anymore then AI recovers faster.
I had 24 fight vs a spark where i opened the duel with a sp1 boost. parried and ista used sp1 like ALWAIS, and he autoevaded while still stunned. Which shouldnt ever happen. Means the AI recovers and act PAST even debuffs or attack animations, exactly like groot used to parry specials while still on "being hit" animation in the past.
If you wanna have a laugh, try use sp1 with Hulk. You will notice that any cast after a 5 hit combo not being with opponent walled will be blocked.
Same issue with ironman sp2
Get a grip, and patch this mess, we went from an easy won war to risking to losing due to ghost, in this istance.
Adding more and more reason for players to quit ain't a good advertize.
Yeah, the enemy AI behavior has COMPLETELY changed. It’s much harder to use Ghost now. I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but she went from a very fun and unique character to use to essentially complete garbage. If you ever wanted to guarantee that every single hit you throw gets blocked, Ghost is the champ to use in the version 22.0 update. @Kabam Miike I know this is a little on the “conspiracy” side of things but maybe you could just please mention it to the team anyway for us. Either that or give me a rank down ticket. I just took my 5* Ghost to rank 5 a couple days ago, I had a ton of fun using her, I was better than all my alliance mates at using her, and now I can barely use her at all. Something happened that made it so using Ghost is different.
The fact they're ignoring us is a clear indication that she was silently nerfed.
But ghost wasn’t changed...therefore not nerfed.
The AI was adapted to fix a loophole/exploit/bug that Ghost was able to take advantage of to great success. She was literally able to dash back and wait for the enemy to attack then to count to 1 or two and win fights.
The AI is rightfully adjusted when things like this pop up. Nothing new.
AI adjusted only to Ghost? doesnt sound like an adjustment, sounds like a 'silent nerf' I tried phoenix and morningstar and other tanky champions and they never react like this to them. why? because their code doesnt say this is ghost/miss champ u r fighting? that is pathetic
Yeah, the enemy AI behavior has COMPLETELY changed. It’s much harder to use Ghost now. I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but she went from a very fun and unique character to use to essentially complete garbage. If you ever wanted to guarantee that every single hit you throw gets blocked, Ghost is the champ to use in the version 22.0 update. @Kabam Miike I know this is a little on the “conspiracy” side of things but maybe you could just please mention it to the team anyway for us. Either that or give me a rank down ticket. I just took my 5* Ghost to rank 5 a couple days ago, I had a ton of fun using her, I was better than all my alliance mates at using her, and now I can barely use her at all. Something happened that made it so using Ghost is different.
The fact they're ignoring us is a clear indication that she was silently nerfed.
But ghost wasn’t changed...therefore not nerfed.
The AI was adapted to fix a loophole/exploit/bug that Ghost was able to take advantage of to great success. She was literally able to dash back and wait for the enemy to attack then to count to 1 or two and win fights.
The AI is rightfully adjusted when things like this pop up. Nothing new.
AI adjusted only to Ghost? doesnt sound like an adjustment, sounds like a 'silent nerf' I tried phoenix and morningstar and other tanky champions and they never react like this to them. why? because their code doesnt say this is ghost/miss champ u r fighting? that is pathetic
Maybe test it with another champ with the "miss" ability? Hood for example. It could be a change in the way that the miss mechanic interacts with AI, ghost isn't the only miss champ.
Yeah, the enemy AI behavior has COMPLETELY changed. It’s much harder to use Ghost now. I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but she went from a very fun and unique character to use to essentially complete garbage. If you ever wanted to guarantee that every single hit you throw gets blocked, Ghost is the champ to use in the version 22.0 update. @Kabam Miike I know this is a little on the “conspiracy” side of things but maybe you could just please mention it to the team anyway for us. Either that or give me a rank down ticket. I just took my 5* Ghost to rank 5 a couple days ago, I had a ton of fun using her, I was better than all my alliance mates at using her, and now I can barely use her at all. Something happened that made it so using Ghost is different.
The fact they're ignoring us is a clear indication that she was silently nerfed.
But ghost wasn’t changed...therefore not nerfed.
The AI was adapted to fix a loophole/exploit/bug that Ghost was able to take advantage of to great success. She was literally able to dash back and wait for the enemy to attack then to count to 1 or two and win fights.
The AI is rightfully adjusted when things like this pop up. Nothing new.
AI adjusted only to Ghost? doesnt sound like an adjustment, sounds like a 'silent nerf' I tried phoenix and morningstar and other tanky champions and they never react like this to them. why? because their code doesnt say this is ghost/miss champ u r fighting? that is pathetic
Maybe test it with another champ with the "miss" ability? Hood for example. It could be a change in the way that the miss mechanic interacts with AI, ghost isn't the only miss champ.
DONE! I got hood and no difference and ally mate tried darkhawk and no changes and all 'tests' were with 10+ fights of different champs in UC EQ
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Watch the videos posted and you'll see clear as day something is different. We wouldnt have this massive thread if something wasnt different.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
You are wrong. The people commenting on these posts can’t be deluded now can they?
Something has changed and it’s obvious. Please investigate this.
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
How do we respond to the ai going to parry after 2 misses then an attack? We cant react that fast and they love dexing after missing
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Yep. Here’s an example from @Mike12867 livestream:
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
The AI has definitely changed; while it's not directly a nerf to Ghost it does affect her somewhat substantially
@Kabam Miike please bring this to the game team theres a ton of videos to support this. Pete has been playing since she was first released - literally grinded her out twice in arena. If anyone knows the AI is different with just Ghost its him. We're not wrong
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
That doesn't answer the question, has the AI changed at all from last version?
The answer seems to be yes, it has, there is enough video evidence of this now. So, while it may not have been tuned specifically for ghost, it has indeed changed.
I bet it’s related to Nick Fury. They just added a champ that can counter/ignore miss. Only now all champs have that ability, not just Fury 😂
You know, I was actually thinking the same thing. Adding a new champ with a new ability adds another dimension to the AI in a way. I think there were other consequences when a few other new champs were added in the past, but can't specifically remember.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
Hey @Kabam Zibiit thanks for the response! Just a little more information that may help you express our concerns to the team. Regardless of if there was an intentional change, the AI is now behaving differently that impact specifically Ghost in 2 major ways.
1) She is now much less safe to use, if you try to counter any hit other than the opponent’s initial dash attack or some special attacks, she will instead be evaded or parried when she previously could counter attack combo hits safely.
2) Being forced to counter attack the first hit the enemy throws reduces the effectiveness of her signature ability by 2 to 5 times. She can no longer reliably count on the enemy comboing into her phasing, meaning you can’t use her enemies’ misses to trigger her signature ability as often as you could before the 22.0 update.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
I experienced this today or something similar in aq (running petty map 4 because it's cheap, easy, and we're mostly retired) while fighting the ultron section boss with Lc. ultron evaded one of my hits and while still evading, threw a sp3. I've seen this a sh*t ton in arena and other content where the ai can move way faster than our champions and can pick up blocks between attacks and recover from attacks and specials way too fast (i.e: they can block between a 5-hit combo and a special, or they can pick up block before I can punish even after a perfect dex on certain champs/fights). The ai is evolving in certain content/ game modes and it's bs
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Yep. Here’s an example from @Mike12867 livestream:
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
This is the most clear proof of biased Ai depending on champion. I'd say its inconfutable that facng ghost AIs are bound to act differently, cause no AI would do or try do that against any other champion in game hood included.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
This is clearly a coding error on Kabam's fault ( @Kabam Zibiit ), Cap marvel is able to armor break hitting your block, and somehow her ability interaction with miss still register the hit like it was on block and not in the thin air. That's most likely why you got the armor break there
She was my main driver to finish act5 as longterm champ. I have 7 other 5 stars and they are not good at all (cyclops, hulkbuster etc). I’m literally 10,000 tech away from r4 5*ghost with a mil iso. Lotta time learning to play her well. 4* wasp, antman I won in long grinds in arena. Between this and the act6 champ requirements in a week, I feel good about putting the game down and devoting more time and income into my other hobbies.
I’ve noticed now when I use ghost the AI often evaded back at the start of the fight. But when I choose another champ they attack like normal so I can parry right out the gate. Also I’ve never noticed the AI throw a 2 hit combo then evade back before the last few days.
Yep. Here’s an example from @Mike12867 livestream:
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
This is the most clear proof of biased Ai depending on champion. I'd say its inconfutable that facng ghost AIs are bound to act differently, cause no AI would do or try do that against any other champion in game hood included.
Hey there everyone, just wanted to let everyone know that we have not made any changes to Ghost and we do not make any changes to the AI for fighting against specific Champions. We're also double-checking with the rest of the team to make sure that nothing is impacting her in unexpected ways.
.... Therefore, it looks like the enemies evade. They are too close to Ghost and at that proximity, you need Dexterity to avoid hits, right? AI hasn't that masteries. Is the AI acting like it Evades? Well, Ghost Critical hits can't be evaded. PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened: https://streamable.com/y4z98 Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.
This is clearly a coding error on Kabam's fault ( @Kabam Zibiit ), Cap marvel is able to armor break hitting your block, and somehow her ability interaction with miss still register the hit like it was on block and not in the thin air. That's most likely why you got the armor break there
This AI behavior is specific to Ghost only, i will be working on this video sooner
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this has 2 effects.
1. ghost's can't use that as an opening to land hit's anymore.
2. you can use it to intercept or bait specials in a way that you couldn't previously.
You may troll a casul, but i come from Dark Souls competitive PVP, i could tell if an AI sneezes half a microsecond earlier with 2 duels.
Your AI is a mess after update. And even for a non keen eye, if what used to work before doesnt anymore then AI recovers faster.
I had 24 fight vs a spark where i opened the duel with a sp1 boost. parried and ista used sp1 like ALWAIS, and he autoevaded while still stunned. Which shouldnt ever happen. Means the AI recovers and act PAST even debuffs or attack animations, exactly like groot used to parry specials while still on "being hit" animation in the past.
If you wanna have a laugh, try use sp1 with Hulk. You will notice that any cast after a 5 hit combo not being with opponent walled will be blocked.
Same issue with ironman sp2
Get a grip, and patch this mess, we went from an easy won war to risking to losing due to ghost, in this istance.
Adding more and more reason for players to quit ain't a good advertize.
/disappointed.
Something has changed and it’s obvious. Please investigate this.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/hRlouJg
After first miss, Groot immediately dexes back. I’ve never seen that before prior to this weeks patch.
This new AI behavior is specific to Ghost as far as I am aware. As if the opponent is now aware of the phasing. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the short 2 sec window.
The answer seems to be yes, it has, there is enough video evidence of this now.
So, while it may not have been tuned specifically for ghost, it has indeed changed.
1) She is now much less safe to use, if you try to counter any hit other than the opponent’s initial dash attack or some special attacks, she will instead be evaded or parried when she previously could counter attack combo hits safely.
2) Being forced to counter attack the first hit the enemy throws reduces the effectiveness of her signature ability by 2 to 5 times. She can no longer reliably count on the enemy comboing into her phasing, meaning you can’t use her enemies’ misses to trigger her signature ability as often as you could before the 22.0 update.
Thanks!
PS: sometimes the opponent is able to evade block even my light attack and now this happened:
https://streamable.com/y4z98
Any thoughts? Armor break without even touching me.