Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
Because she was effected for literally every unstoppable match up in the game this changed the way people would play her she would be able to combo into heavy and her heavy applies slow so when they nerfed her they realized that this was a very big change so they gave tickets out. Morningstar is no where near what they did to she hulk they changed Morningstar for one fight and one fight only if it’s only effecting for one fight what’s the point of tickets
This image is taken from may 10 2018 video of seatins the description is the exact same as it is today they never changed it Compared to this image I took today there are zero changes
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
No they aren't similar because nothing was changed on BWCV or Morningstar and shehulks playstyle was entirely altered so no not similar in the slightest
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
Or maybe you could read ability’s because it doesn’t take a genius to figure out you should not be healing with Morningstar if your doing no damage. Say for example a power focus node. You do no damage on your basic hits so assuming your Morningstar is fully built up should she be healing on power focus when she is doing not damage? No
Only issue is that Kabam should be quicker in telling people what is considered bug ... this has been going on for months ...
I agree.
The mods said that the She Hulk issue was also clearly a bug when she was fixed. They ultimately gave champ specific rank-down tickets for that fix. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same in this situation.
This is a different situation Quit trying to get rank down tickets
Can you explain how it's different?
First of all if you didn’t use your head to grasp at straws you would understand that she hulk affected her at her base level, her play style and her utility Being able to chain heavy made it possible to chain heavies in the corner immediately apply slow after any basic attack bar second medium made unblockable basic attacks almost meaningless Her change affected not only the 6.2.6 champ fight it affected her play style many people ranked her up because of this it was promoted by many YouTubers MS is only affected in this fight how many times have you faced indestructible in other quests? Barely ever Is this affecting her ability to regen in general? No it’s not it’s going to work as stated Quite trying to find poor excuses for rank down tickets If someone ranked her up for one And that fight only fight than that’s on them her abilities were as stated but worked differently and tried to take advantage than that’s a risk people take. She hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies it was something the community discovered MS never has stated that she would regen damage she “would” deal
No conspiracy theory here. Going piece by piece:
You say the She Hulk change affected not only the 6.2.6 fight, but many other fights. You also say that Morningstar is only affected in this fight. However, there are a number of places where this ability could be used to Morningstar's advantage. Aegis Heavy, Aegis Intercept, Prove Yourself, Luke Cage's signature abilities...these are all places where Morningstar's bug could have been used by players. The 6.2.6 Champion boss was the most notable instance, but it wasn't the only instance as you suggest. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say people ranked up She-Hulk because this bugged ability was promoted on YouTube. If you look it up on YouTube, there are a number of widely-watched videos showcasing this very interaction for Morningstar and BWCV. Are you saying that no one in the community made a rank up decision based on these videos? There are those who have posted today who would tell you that isn't the case. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say that She Hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies and it was something the community discovered. However, She Hulk was not the only champ that had this ability and was able to do it for years. This was just taken as a natural interaction given its long-standing presence in the game. Many people used this ability for years and it was never considered a bug until after 6.2.6 Champion was released. How long have videos existed showing the interaction between MS/BWCV and the Champion? Many months, but as we just discussed, the interaction has been in the game as long as She-Hulk and the indestructible buff/passive have been in the game together, which is also years. How long do we need to give Kabam to chime in on whether something is a bug or not? In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
Again, I won't argue that this wasn't a bug. If it's a bug, it should be fixed. However, I assert that if it takes too long for a widely known bug to be addressed and a champion is adjusted/fixed downward as a result, Rank Down Tickets should be distributed to ensure that people are making rank up decisions based on Kabam's vision for how a Champion is supposed to perform and not how they erroneously were performing.
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
All it is just a waste of your resources If you use a champion once for one single fight and never again
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
That would really be amazing and pro player if the Champion boss didn't regain his previous charges when you entered into the fight again or changed it to one indestructible charge total. I would definitely be one of the first players to commend the company for doing the right thing if that happens.
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
I don't know how many times this must be explained but here I go again THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO MS/BWCV THEIR DESCRIPTION AND ABILITIES ALL FUNCTION THE SAME SHE HULK HAD HER ABILITES AND PLAYSTYLE ALTERED. Just because you can plug names in places doesn't make it the same.
Everyone the change has not happened yet! For all those saying they ranked MS specifically for the champion fight and they are outraged..... go fight the champion and clear the content. He is the only reason you ranked MS then you have nothing to be upset about when they fix the bug.
Side note: MS is a fantastic rank 5 option with the 6.2 champion fight being a very very very very small sliver of why
What I really want to know is why does this bug gets attention and fixed ASAP, but Howard the Duck still starts the fight with only 7 armor up buffs when he's supposed to start with 8. I pointed out that he's bugged back in November of 2019 and still no change. I want my Duck fixed!
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
You are selectively choosing which description is a bug that needs fixing and one that is ok to slide.
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
You are selectively choosing which description is a bug that needs fixing and one that is ok to slide.
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
Listen I’m not always on kabams side ok infact I was pissed off when they nerfed she hulk because that effected her in more matches then just the 6.2 champion fight. Morningstar barely got touched at all is this going to effect how you will play Morningstar outside of 6.2 no it won’t because Morningstar will still function the same. And yes I’m annoyed that kabam hasn’t fixed the gladiator hulk and kamala bugs
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
I don't know how many times this must be explained but here I go again THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO MS/BWCV THEIR DESCRIPTION AND ABILITIES ALL FUNCTION THE SAME SHE HULK HAD HER ABILITES AND PLAYSTYLE ALTERED. Just because you can plug names in places doesn't make it the same.
She-Hulk's playstyle changed, sure. But what abilities changed? Was anything in her description changed?
She-Hulk's in-game actions were adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for her.
Morningstar and BWCV are now having their in-game actions adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for them.
She-Hulk's adjustment was the result of a bug.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment is the result of a bug.
She-Hulk's adjustment warranted a Rank Down Ticket.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment also warrants rank down tickets.
Kabam even stated in the She-Hulk announcement, they recognize that, obvious or not, there are some players that likely ranked She Hulk not knowing this repeatable ability was unintended, so players need to evaluate the change to see if they're worth the resources once they're fixed. How is that any different than this.
For me, the degree to which a champion changes doesn't matter. When Cull Obsidian was re-balanced, he didn't change much, but he was adjusted downward, so Rank Down Tickets were given out. This is how it should go. Are Morningstar and BWCV impacted by this change less than She Hulk was by hers? Of course. But they were adjusted down nonetheless and should be ranked down if the player so chooses.
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
You are selectively choosing which description is a bug that needs fixing and one that is ok to slide.
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
Listen I’m not always on kabams side ok infact I was pissed off when they nerfed she hulk because that effected her in more matches then just the 6.2 champion fight. Morningstar barely got touched at all is this going to effect how you will play Morningstar outside of 6.2 no it won’t because Morningstar will still function the same. And yes I’m annoyed that kabam hasn’t fixed the gladiator hulk and kamala bugs
Or are all of Gulk, Kamala and Morningstar, *as they stand*, "working at intended" and they just need to change their text?
Why the single minded insistence from you, really and others that the code be changed to match the description?
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
I don't know how many times this must be explained but here I go again THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO MS/BWCV THEIR DESCRIPTION AND ABILITIES ALL FUNCTION THE SAME SHE HULK HAD HER ABILITES AND PLAYSTYLE ALTERED. Just because you can plug names in places doesn't make it the same.
She-Hulk's playstyle changed, sure. But what abilities changed? Was anything in her description changed?
She-Hulk's in-game actions were adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for her.
Morningstar and BWCV are now having their in-game actions adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for them.
She-Hulk's adjustment was the result of a bug.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment is the result of a bug.
She-Hulk's adjustment warranted a Rank Down Ticket.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment also warrants rank down tickets.
Kabam even stated in the She-Hulk announcement, they recognize that, obvious or not, there are some players that likely ranked She Hulk not knowing this repeatable ability was unintended, so players need to evaluate the change to see if they're worth the resources once they're fixed. How is that any different than this.
For me, the degree to which a champion changes doesn't matter. When Cull Obsidian was re-balanced, he didn't change much, but he was adjusted downward, so Rank Down Tickets were given out. This is how it should go. Are Morningstar and BWCV impacted by this change less than She Hulk was by hers? Of course. But they were adjusted down nonetheless and should be ranked down if the player so chooses.
I'm not going to keep repeating myself you aren't getting rdts nor should you the situations are entirely different you can argue all day but you will not get an rdt
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
Because said fight needs to be done multiple times and is arguably the most difficult fight in the game with nodes like no retreat on it.
I happily took Morningstar to 6* r2 if it meant I would save myself a thousand units on revives. Plus, it’s a return on investment, completing Act 6 100% will net me more materials and rewards. It’s not a waste to rank a specific champ for a specifically hard boss if it means it will save you units, revives or real money to get through.
If i were aware it was a bug I would have either saved my resources and waited until I got a good counter to 100% 6.2 or would have taken a different champ to r2 who I could use for Abyss
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
Because said fight needs to be done multiple times and is arguably the most difficult fight in the game with nodes like no retreat on it.
I happily took Morningstar to 6* r2 if it meant I would save myself a thousand units on revives. Plus, it’s a return on investment, completing Act 6 100% will net me more materials and rewards. It’s not a waste to rank a specific champ for a specifically hard boss if it means it will save you units, revives or real money to get through.
If i were aware it was a bug I would have either saved my resources and waited until I got a good counter to 100% 6.2 or would have taken a different champ to r2 who I could use for Abyss
Okay fair point on this one but they actively said they won’t be Changing her regen until June you still have plenty of time to try to beat the champion
So when the parry ability or the thing SP3 are not matching the description, they fixed the descriptions, but when MS and BWCV don't match the description, they fix them.
Can we have some consistency please?
Thanks.
As above..:
Flow Kamala Thing Parry Morningstar Bwcv Gulk and bane
Benefits the players; bug that must be fixed, leave the text
Benefits kabam; working as intended, change the text
What baffles me is the players in these forums who only want changes that benefit kabam.
Only issue is that Kabam should be quicker in telling people what is considered bug ... this has been going on for months ...
I agree.
The mods said that the She Hulk issue was also clearly a bug when she was fixed. They ultimately gave champ specific rank-down tickets for that fix. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same in this situation.
This is a different situation Quit trying to get rank down tickets
Can you explain how it's different?
First of all if you didn’t use your head to grasp at straws you would understand that she hulk affected her at her base level, her play style and her utility Being able to chain heavy made it possible to chain heavies in the corner immediately apply slow after any basic attack bar second medium made unblockable basic attacks almost meaningless Her change affected not only the 6.2.6 champ fight it affected her play style many people ranked her up because of this it was promoted by many YouTubers MS is only affected in this fight how many times have you faced indestructible in other quests? Barely ever Is this affecting her ability to regen in general? No it’s not it’s going to work as stated Quite trying to find poor excuses for rank down tickets If someone ranked her up for one And that fight only fight than that’s on them her abilities were as stated but worked differently and tried to take advantage than that’s a risk people take. She hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies it was something the community discovered MS never has stated that she would regen damage she “would” deal
No conspiracy theory here. Going piece by piece:
You say the She Hulk change affected not only the 6.2.6 fight, but many other fights. You also say that Morningstar is only affected in this fight. However, there are a number of places where this ability could be used to Morningstar's advantage. Aegis Heavy, Aegis Intercept, Prove Yourself, Luke Cage's signature abilities...these are all places where Morningstar's bug could have been used by players. The 6.2.6 Champion boss was the most notable instance, but it wasn't the only instance as you suggest. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say people ranked up She-Hulk because this bugged ability was promoted on YouTube. If you look it up on YouTube, there are a number of widely-watched videos showcasing this very interaction for Morningstar and BWCV. Are you saying that no one in the community made a rank up decision based on these videos? There are those who have posted today who would tell you that isn't the case. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say that She Hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies and it was something the community discovered. However, She Hulk was not the only champ that had this ability and was able to do it for years. This was just taken as a natural interaction given its long-standing presence in the game. Many people used this ability for years and it was never considered a bug until after 6.2.6 Champion was released. How long have videos existed showing the interaction between MS/BWCV and the Champion? Many months, but as we just discussed, the interaction has been in the game as long as She-Hulk and the indestructible buff/passive have been in the game together, which is also years. How long do we need to give Kabam to chime in on whether something is a bug or not? In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
Again, I won't argue that this wasn't a bug. If it's a bug, it should be fixed. However, I assert that if it takes too long for a widely known bug to be addressed and a champion is adjusted/fixed downward as a result, Rank Down Tickets should be distributed to ensure that people are making rank up decisions based on Kabam's vision for how a Champion is supposed to perform and not how they erroneously were performing.
[Funny thing I saw it originally on the other post, said that the comment doesn’t exist whne I tried commenting a reply ] Again you’re grasping at straws bud I clearly said that you bare face indestructible In general vs she hulk where you can spam heavies or chain heavies In ALL fights These two situations are completely different YouTube videos explicitly said she was one of the top champs and The only thing you’re right is about she hulk and the regen fix is that it took this long But in reality no one used she hulk that much pre or post buff so in reality very little was said over all does show a lot of incompetence I’m the game team One fight should not determine rank down tickets, especially if the bug is relating towards very very minor aspects of the game indestructible is still rare in the game and the chances of using BWCV or MS against those abilities are rare as it is
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The contrast with flow, is Stark.
It's clearly just a way to grab more money.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
This image is taken from may 10 2018 video of seatins the description is the exact same as it is today they never changed it
Compared to this image I took today there are zero changes
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked
She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have rankedShe-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rankherthem down.We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
No conspiracy theory here. Going piece by piece:
You say the She Hulk change affected not only the 6.2.6 fight, but many other fights. You also say that Morningstar is only affected in this fight. However, there are a number of places where this ability could be used to Morningstar's advantage. Aegis Heavy, Aegis Intercept, Prove Yourself, Luke Cage's signature abilities...these are all places where Morningstar's bug could have been used by players. The 6.2.6 Champion boss was the most notable instance, but it wasn't the only instance as you suggest. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say people ranked up She-Hulk because this bugged ability was promoted on YouTube. If you look it up on YouTube, there are a number of widely-watched videos showcasing this very interaction for Morningstar and BWCV. Are you saying that no one in the community made a rank up decision based on these videos? There are those who have posted today who would tell you that isn't the case. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say that She Hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies and it was something the community discovered. However, She Hulk was not the only champ that had this ability and was able to do it for years. This was just taken as a natural interaction given its long-standing presence in the game. Many people used this ability for years and it was never considered a bug until after 6.2.6 Champion was released. How long have videos existed showing the interaction between MS/BWCV and the Champion? Many months, but as we just discussed, the interaction has been in the game as long as She-Hulk and the indestructible buff/passive have been in the game together, which is also years. How long do we need to give Kabam to chime in on whether something is a bug or not? In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
Again, I won't argue that this wasn't a bug. If it's a bug, it should be fixed. However, I assert that if it takes too long for a widely known bug to be addressed and a champion is adjusted/fixed downward as a result, Rank Down Tickets should be distributed to ensure that people are making rank up decisions based on Kabam's vision for how a Champion is supposed to perform and not how they erroneously were performing.
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
Side note: MS is a fantastic rank 5 option with the 6.2 champion fight being a very very very very small sliver of why
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
She-Hulk's in-game actions were adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for her.
Morningstar and BWCV are now having their in-game actions adjusted to match the original intent the developers had for them.
She-Hulk's adjustment was the result of a bug.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment is the result of a bug.
She-Hulk's adjustment warranted a Rank Down Ticket.
Morningstar and BWCV's adjustment also warrants rank down tickets.
Kabam even stated in the She-Hulk announcement, they recognize that, obvious or not, there are some players that likely ranked She Hulk not knowing this repeatable ability was unintended, so players need to evaluate the change to see if they're worth the resources once they're fixed. How is that any different than this.
For me, the degree to which a champion changes doesn't matter. When Cull Obsidian was re-balanced, he didn't change much, but he was adjusted downward, so Rank Down Tickets were given out. This is how it should go. Are Morningstar and BWCV impacted by this change less than She Hulk was by hers? Of course. But they were adjusted down nonetheless and should be ranked down if the player so chooses.
Why the single minded insistence from you, really and others that the code be changed to match the description?
I happily took Morningstar to 6* r2 if it meant I would save myself a thousand units on revives. Plus, it’s a return on investment, completing Act 6 100% will net me more materials and rewards. It’s not a waste to rank a specific champ for a specifically hard boss if it means it will save you units, revives or real money to get through.
If i were aware it was a bug I would have either saved my resources and waited until I got a good counter to 100% 6.2 or would have taken a different champ to r2 who I could use for Abyss
Flow
Kamala
Thing
Parry
Morningstar
Bwcv
Gulk and bane
Benefits the players; bug that must be fixed, leave the text
Benefits kabam; working as intended, change the text
What baffles me is the players in these forums who only want changes that benefit kabam.
Again you’re grasping at straws bud I clearly said that you bare face indestructible In general vs she hulk where you can spam heavies or chain heavies In ALL fights
These two situations are completely different
YouTube videos explicitly said she was one of the top champs and
The only thing you’re right is about she hulk and the regen fix is that it took this long
But in reality no one used she hulk that much pre or post buff so in reality very little was said over all does show a lot of incompetence I’m the game team
One fight should not determine rank down tickets, especially if the bug is relating towards very very minor aspects of the game indestructible is still rare in the game and the chances of using BWCV or MS against those abilities are rare as it is