What do you expect to come from this post? It's just the same arguments from the she hulk post so why bother making a similar one? You already know what the response from Kabam will be. Just let it go. They are still amazing champions
I'd argue that the purpose of these posts is exactly what you touched on...this is unraveling exactly the way She Hulk's adjustment did:
She-Hulk: She-Hulk had an unintended ability that had been in the game for more than a few months. It was brought to light that this ability could be used to deal with the Champion boss in 6.2.4, who has proven to be a roadblock for many players. Kabam decided to take action to fix the unintended interaction, initially without addressing the fact that many ranked She-Hulk up for this specific ability that had existed for months with no mention of it being a bug by Kabam. After some outrage from the community, Kabam decided to issue champ-specific rank down tickets to allow players to decide if She-Hulk is still worth the resources after the adjustment is made.
Morningstar and BWCV: Morningstar and BWCV had an unintended ability that had been in the game for more than a few months. It was brought to light that this ability could be used to deal with the Champion boss in 6.2.4, who has proven to be a roadblock for many players. Kabam decided to take action to fix the unintended interaction, initially without addressing the fact that many ranked Morningstar/BWCV up for this specific ability that had existed for months with no mention of it being a bug by Kabam.
This current issue parallels the She-Hulk issue, even down to the piece of content that brought the unintended interaction to light. The hope is that Kabam will do not only the right thing, but the thing they have already set a precedent for when issues like this arise. If they intend to fix an unintended interaction in a champ that affects the champ in a negative manner, champ-specific rank down tickets should be issued.
It would be best if the mods can get an answer from the devs as to why almost a year after release that they are NOW considering to change this mechanic. I mean, if you knew all this long, why wasn’t there an announcement before? People would simply want a clarification and for you to stop waiting to do stuff like these way after release.
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
It’s very frustrating... I ranked Morningstar to 6* r2 over other options specifically to do the champion chapter of 6.2 100%. I didn’t know it was a bug. I don’t sit in the forums all day and scour it for whether something is a bug. I came across different guides that showed ways to get through the champion.
People might say “Morningstar has her other uses” but I specifically ranked her over other better options because she seemed perfect for that fight. MCOC has been moving towards needing specific champs for specific fights. I feel like 3 t5b and 7 t2a would have been better going onto my duped 6* Aegon.
I don’t know, maybe in game mail to played where there is a bug for something significant? I mean, unless you’re in the forums all the time, you may not know known it was a bug. People say “read their abilities” and I do read abilities. Still wasn’t aware it was a bug.
Also, this content has been out for almost a year. How many people have been able to take advantage of this bug of Morningstar to get 100% and those of us who haven’t are punished. People post YouTube videos and show Morningstar as an amazing counter. They completed the content, I’m like “cool, guess I’ll go to r2 and do it as well” and now it’s changed
For everyone pro Kabam on this, wait until they diminish a champ you built up and remember this post. At the end of the day, it’s the consumer vs the vendor...choose wisely
Ok but when it’s such a small change as this it’s changing 1 fight for Morningstar ONE FIGHT that’s practically nothing I pro kabam on this one because she was bugged if you a read her ability’s it says that she heals off damage dealt so if she’s dealing zero damage should she heal? No she should not
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
Because she was effected for literally every unstoppable match up in the game this changed the way people would play her she would be able to combo into heavy and her heavy applies slow so when they nerfed her they realized that this was a very big change so they gave tickets out. Morningstar is no where near what they did to she hulk they changed Morningstar for one fight and one fight only if it’s only effecting for one fight what’s the point of tickets
This image is taken from may 10 2018 video of seatins the description is the exact same as it is today they never changed it Compared to this image I took today there are zero changes
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
No they aren't similar because nothing was changed on BWCV or Morningstar and shehulks playstyle was entirely altered so no not similar in the slightest
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
This all seems very similar to the She Hulk change that happened 7 or so months ago. She had a bug that made her a good counter for the Champion fight, she was changed, and Rank Down Tickets were sent out so people who ranked her up for the fight weren't stuck with a champ that they ranked for specific content only to be changed later.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
Or maybe you could read ability’s because it doesn’t take a genius to figure out you should not be healing with Morningstar if your doing no damage. Say for example a power focus node. You do no damage on your basic hits so assuming your Morningstar is fully built up should she be healing on power focus when she is doing not damage? No
Only issue is that Kabam should be quicker in telling people what is considered bug ... this has been going on for months ...
I agree.
The mods said that the She Hulk issue was also clearly a bug when she was fixed. They ultimately gave champ specific rank-down tickets for that fix. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same in this situation.
This is a different situation Quit trying to get rank down tickets
Can you explain how it's different?
First of all if you didn’t use your head to grasp at straws you would understand that she hulk affected her at her base level, her play style and her utility Being able to chain heavy made it possible to chain heavies in the corner immediately apply slow after any basic attack bar second medium made unblockable basic attacks almost meaningless Her change affected not only the 6.2.6 champ fight it affected her play style many people ranked her up because of this it was promoted by many YouTubers MS is only affected in this fight how many times have you faced indestructible in other quests? Barely ever Is this affecting her ability to regen in general? No it’s not it’s going to work as stated Quite trying to find poor excuses for rank down tickets If someone ranked her up for one And that fight only fight than that’s on them her abilities were as stated but worked differently and tried to take advantage than that’s a risk people take. She hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies it was something the community discovered MS never has stated that she would regen damage she “would” deal
No conspiracy theory here. Going piece by piece:
You say the She Hulk change affected not only the 6.2.6 fight, but many other fights. You also say that Morningstar is only affected in this fight. However, there are a number of places where this ability could be used to Morningstar's advantage. Aegis Heavy, Aegis Intercept, Prove Yourself, Luke Cage's signature abilities...these are all places where Morningstar's bug could have been used by players. The 6.2.6 Champion boss was the most notable instance, but it wasn't the only instance as you suggest. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say people ranked up She-Hulk because this bugged ability was promoted on YouTube. If you look it up on YouTube, there are a number of widely-watched videos showcasing this very interaction for Morningstar and BWCV. Are you saying that no one in the community made a rank up decision based on these videos? There are those who have posted today who would tell you that isn't the case. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say that She Hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies and it was something the community discovered. However, She Hulk was not the only champ that had this ability and was able to do it for years. This was just taken as a natural interaction given its long-standing presence in the game. Many people used this ability for years and it was never considered a bug until after 6.2.6 Champion was released. How long have videos existed showing the interaction between MS/BWCV and the Champion? Many months, but as we just discussed, the interaction has been in the game as long as She-Hulk and the indestructible buff/passive have been in the game together, which is also years. How long do we need to give Kabam to chime in on whether something is a bug or not? In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
Again, I won't argue that this wasn't a bug. If it's a bug, it should be fixed. However, I assert that if it takes too long for a widely known bug to be addressed and a champion is adjusted/fixed downward as a result, Rank Down Tickets should be distributed to ensure that people are making rank up decisions based on Kabam's vision for how a Champion is supposed to perform and not how they erroneously were performing.
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
I’m just gonna say this right now to all you guy that only R5ed your Morningstar only for the 6.2 champion why even bother ranking a champ for one fight and one fight only?
I look forward to the day Kabam diminishes the investment on your roster. I spend real money in hopes of helping out my competitive game play here, but these anti player moves are increasingly making me skeptic to spend anything moving forward. This is a bad trend that’s becoming systemic.
Ok my point still stands if your gonna rank your champ up for one singular fight and never use them again why even bother ranking them up?
All it is just a waste of your resources If you use a champion once for one single fight and never again
Hey there everyone, we wanted to drop in and weigh in on this again. To confirm, at 5 Souls, Morningstar has a chance to Life Steal 50% of the damage she deals, so she should not gain any health from attacks that deal 0 damage. Her being able to is a bug that we are working on a fix for and have documented in our Bugs and Known Issues thread here. We wanted to let everyone know ahead of time that a fix was coming for this, though it looks like it won't be able to be resolved until the 27.1 update at the earliest, which is currently slated for June. We also wanted to let everyone know that we are passing feedback on this and the Champion as a whole fight along to the rest of the team.
That would really be amazing and pro player if the Champion boss didn't regain his previous charges when you entered into the fight again or changed it to one indestructible charge total. I would definitely be one of the first players to commend the company for doing the right thing if that happens.
From the She-Hulk Heavy Fix compensation post in August 2019 with a few edits to show the similarities:
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have ranked She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rank herthem down. We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.
Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
I don't know how many times this must be explained but here I go again THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO MS/BWCV THEIR DESCRIPTION AND ABILITIES ALL FUNCTION THE SAME SHE HULK HAD HER ABILITES AND PLAYSTYLE ALTERED. Just because you can plug names in places doesn't make it the same.
Everyone the change has not happened yet! For all those saying they ranked MS specifically for the champion fight and they are outraged..... go fight the champion and clear the content. He is the only reason you ranked MS then you have nothing to be upset about when they fix the bug.
Side note: MS is a fantastic rank 5 option with the 6.2 champion fight being a very very very very small sliver of why
What I really want to know is why does this bug gets attention and fixed ASAP, but Howard the Duck still starts the fight with only 7 armor up buffs when he's supposed to start with 8. I pointed out that he's bugged back in November of 2019 and still no change. I want my Duck fixed!
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
You are selectively choosing which description is a bug that needs fixing and one that is ok to slide.
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
Ok. Gulk. It says he regenerates from passive damage. But bane is apparently "special".
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
That’s because originally when they first made act 5 it was a active degen I don’t remember when they changed it but they did but I think that’s just because the game still registers it as a buff
You are selectively choosing which description is a bug that needs fixing and one that is ok to slide.
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.
Listen I’m not always on kabams side ok infact I was pissed off when they nerfed she hulk because that effected her in more matches then just the 6.2 champion fight. Morningstar barely got touched at all is this going to effect how you will play Morningstar outside of 6.2 no it won’t because Morningstar will still function the same. And yes I’m annoyed that kabam hasn’t fixed the gladiator hulk and kamala bugs
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She-Hulk:
She-Hulk had an unintended ability that had been in the game for more than a few months. It was brought to light that this ability could be used to deal with the Champion boss in 6.2.4, who has proven to be a roadblock for many players. Kabam decided to take action to fix the unintended interaction, initially without addressing the fact that many ranked She-Hulk up for this specific ability that had existed for months with no mention of it being a bug by Kabam. After some outrage from the community, Kabam decided to issue champ-specific rank down tickets to allow players to decide if She-Hulk is still worth the resources after the adjustment is made.
Morningstar and BWCV:
Morningstar and BWCV had an unintended ability that had been in the game for more than a few months. It was brought to light that this ability could be used to deal with the Champion boss in 6.2.4, who has proven to be a roadblock for many players. Kabam decided to take action to fix the unintended interaction, initially without addressing the fact that many ranked Morningstar/BWCV up for this specific ability that had existed for months with no mention of it being a bug by Kabam.
This current issue parallels the She-Hulk issue, even down to the piece of content that brought the unintended interaction to light. The hope is that Kabam will do not only the right thing, but the thing they have already set a precedent for when issues like this arise. If they intend to fix an unintended interaction in a champ that affects the champ in a negative manner, champ-specific rank down tickets should be issued.
I ranked Morningstar to 6* r2 over other options specifically to do the champion chapter of 6.2 100%. I didn’t know it was a bug. I don’t sit in the forums all day and scour it for whether something is a bug. I came across different guides that showed ways to get through the champion.
People might say “Morningstar has her other uses” but I specifically ranked her over other better options because she seemed perfect for that fight. MCOC has been moving towards needing specific champs for specific fights. I feel like 3 t5b and 7 t2a would have been better going onto my duped 6* Aegon.
I don’t know, maybe in game mail to played where there is a bug for something significant? I mean, unless you’re in the forums all the time, you may not know known it was a bug. People say “read their abilities” and I do read abilities. Still wasn’t aware it was a bug.
People post YouTube videos and show Morningstar as an amazing counter. They completed the content, I’m like “cool, guess I’ll go to r2 and do it as well” and now it’s changed
The contrast with flow, is Stark.
It's clearly just a way to grab more money.
Does the game team recognize the similarities between the She Hulk issue and this new MS/BWCV issue?
This image is taken from may 10 2018 video of seatins the description is the exact same as it is today they never changed it
Compared to this image I took today there are zero changes
We have heard from the community and understand that many players may have specifically ranked
She-HulkMorningstar/BWCV for this gameplay mechanic without knowing that it was unintended. Since these rank up decisions require an investment of resources, we want to give players who have rankedShe-HulkMorningstar/BWCV the opportunity to evaluate the fix once it is live and make the decision if they would like to rankherthem down.We are working on the steps required to create She-Hulk specific Rank Down Tickets and gather a list of players impacted to provide this compensationthe mechanism for such Rank Down Tickets has already been developed.Again, if it applied to She-Hulk, it applies here.
No conspiracy theory here. Going piece by piece:
You say the She Hulk change affected not only the 6.2.6 fight, but many other fights. You also say that Morningstar is only affected in this fight. However, there are a number of places where this ability could be used to Morningstar's advantage. Aegis Heavy, Aegis Intercept, Prove Yourself, Luke Cage's signature abilities...these are all places where Morningstar's bug could have been used by players. The 6.2.6 Champion boss was the most notable instance, but it wasn't the only instance as you suggest. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say people ranked up She-Hulk because this bugged ability was promoted on YouTube. If you look it up on YouTube, there are a number of widely-watched videos showcasing this very interaction for Morningstar and BWCV. Are you saying that no one in the community made a rank up decision based on these videos? There are those who have posted today who would tell you that isn't the case. In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
You say that She Hulk was never stated to be able to chain heavies and it was something the community discovered. However, She Hulk was not the only champ that had this ability and was able to do it for years. This was just taken as a natural interaction given its long-standing presence in the game. Many people used this ability for years and it was never considered a bug until after 6.2.6 Champion was released. How long have videos existed showing the interaction between MS/BWCV and the Champion? Many months, but as we just discussed, the interaction has been in the game as long as She-Hulk and the indestructible buff/passive have been in the game together, which is also years. How long do we need to give Kabam to chime in on whether something is a bug or not? In this way, She Hulk and the MS/BWCV issue are the same.
Again, I won't argue that this wasn't a bug. If it's a bug, it should be fixed. However, I assert that if it takes too long for a widely known bug to be addressed and a champion is adjusted/fixed downward as a result, Rank Down Tickets should be distributed to ensure that people are making rank up decisions based on Kabam's vision for how a Champion is supposed to perform and not how they erroneously were performing.
Where is the bug fix allowing Gulk to Regen from bane? He should.
Side note: MS is a fantastic rank 5 option with the 6.2 champion fight being a very very very very small sliver of why
Why does Morningstar's description need a bug fix, rather than a quick text change?
Why can't this just be ignored like Gulk and bane?
How about Kamala and her removing buffs that aren't in her description either?
Again, flow's description can be dragged into this as can multiple others.
Fixing Morningstar, while ignoring all the others, stinks.