I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
I disagree. Perception is reality and Public Relations firms exist for a reason.
Kabam may be actively working behind the scenes to try and improve their game, but if they're not engaging with the community, the community is left to wonder what's going on. Over the years, Kabam has given the community too many reasons to not take them at their word:
-All champions have the same speed and cadence to all their moves -Sentinel's L1 has always been incredibly hard to punish -Archangel's passive stun is meant to bypass limber and stun immunity
The list goes on. Either by making erroneous statements or walking back previously made statements, Kabam has made the community skeptical because they have cultivated an image of distrust.
When a person or a company wants to change their image, they can hire a PR firm/manager to help. The PR firm's job is to make sure community engagement is on-point and on-message so the person/company can slowly adjust their image or public perception.
Kabam could do this, though they don't have to hire a PR firm. They could simply commit a single person to come to this thread daily. The job would not be to give status updates, but rather to make a post that crystallizes all the concerns brought up that day. Make a list of the concerns and then forward that to the game team. For review. This could happen 5 days per week until the new roadmap is released.
If a representative from Kabam commented on this thread regularly to engage with the players, could you imagine how much tension that would relieve? One of the main concerns I'm hearing is transparency and the lack thereof from the game team. The roadmap helps, but it pales in comparison to regular community engagement.
While in general I agree with the sentiment of this, I don't really blame them for being hesitant to say much of anything until there's something concrete and decided on to say. Anytime they say anything and then change something you just get a bunch of "but but but you said..." rabble afterward.
There's a difference between saying, "We can't really say a whole bunch because we're forum moderators and we are not given all of the information to give you a satisfactory response, but we're here, we're passing along your comments, questions, and concerns, and when we know something, we'll get back to you." and not saying anything at all. People are asking for acknowledgement that their feedback is being received rather than being dumped into a mega-thread that can be ignored (and no further forum cleanup needs to occur), and that's eminently reasonable. No one wants to be shouting into the void, and some of these critiques have been posted here on these forums for years without any response whatsoever. Sure, some get responses, but the community has to go searching for them if you weren't around when the response was given.
There could be a FAQ thread so that moderators don't have to respond to such suggestions over and over again... But there isn't. "Here's why we've decided not to do 30-minute AQ/AW timers at this time. If there's any reason to make a change to this, we'll notify the community as to why that decision has changed. Please refer back to this response any time people start asking for 30-minute AQ/AW timers in the future." That would be reasonable communication. Shoot... Moderators are constantly closing threads and directing forum traffic to their preferred "This thread is the dumping ground for things we want to ignore because we're never going to respond to it." like the Character Wishlist threads. Good public relations on forums of this size aren't difficult, but the Kabam moderators are still silent on the matter, which is not good PR (and that's largely what they're here for, otherwise they'd allow the kind of threadcrapping and trolling that goes on in other places to happen here).
As for the boycott, people can do as they please. If I don't want to spend money on this game, I won't. If I want to spend money on it, I will. I don't think anyone's disputing that. What I see being disputed is the notion that it's appropriate or inappropriate to organize the community to act in a consistent fashion. It's the same thing as unionizing (though in our case, it would be a very loose union). It's very telling who's against organization, and history has proven time and time again where power lies in the interactions between individual customer and multi-million dollar businesses, versus the leverage that can be had between collectives of consumers and multi-million dollar businesses.
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
I disagree. Perception is reality and Public Relations firms exist for a reason.
Kabam may be actively working behind the scenes to try and improve their game, but if they're not engaging with the community, the community is left to wonder what's going on. Over the years, Kabam has given the community too many reasons to not take them at their word:
-All champions have the same speed and cadence to all their moves -Sentinel's L1 has always been incredibly hard to punish -Archangel's passive stun is meant to bypass limber and stun immunity
The list goes on. Either by making erroneous statements or walking back previously made statements, Kabam has made the community skeptical because they have cultivated an image of distrust.
When a person or a company wants to change their image, they can hire a PR firm/manager to help. The PR firm's job is to make sure community engagement is on-point and on-message so the person/company can slowly adjust their image or public perception.
Kabam could do this, though they don't have to hire a PR firm. They could simply commit a single person to come to this thread daily. The job would not be to give status updates, but rather to make a post that crystallizes all the concerns brought up that day. Make a list of the concerns and then forward that to the game team. For review. This could happen 5 days per week until the new roadmap is released.
If a representative from Kabam commented on this thread regularly to engage with the players, could you imagine how much tension that would relieve? One of the main concerns I'm hearing is transparency and the lack thereof from the game team. The roadmap helps, but it pales in comparison to regular community engagement.
While in general I agree with the sentiment of this, I don't really blame them for being hesitant to say much of anything until there's something concrete and decided on to say. Anytime they say anything and then change something you just get a bunch of "but but but you said..." rabble afterward.
There's a difference between saying, "We can't really say a whole bunch because we're forum moderators and we are not given all of the information to give you a satisfactory response, but we're here, we're passing along your comments, questions, and concerns, and when we know something, we'll get back to you." and not saying anything at all. People are asking for acknowledgement that their feedback is being received rather than being dumped into a mega-thread that can be ignored (and no further forum cleanup needs to occur), and that's eminently reasonable. No one wants to be shouting into the void, and some of these critiques have been posted here on these forums for years without any response whatsoever. Sure, some get responses, but the community has to go searching for them if you weren't around when the response was given.
There could be a FAQ thread so that moderators don't have to respond to such suggestions over and over again... But there isn't. "Here's why we've decided not to do 30-minute AQ/AW timers at this time. If there's any reason to make a change to this, we'll notify the community as to why that decision has changed. Please refer back to this response any time people start asking for 30-minute AQ/AW timers in the future." That would be reasonable communication. Shoot... Moderators are constantly closing threads and directing forum traffic to their preferred "This thread is the dumping ground for things we want to ignore because we're never going to respond to it." like the Character Wishlist threads. Good public relations on forums of this size aren't difficult, but the Kabam moderators are still silent on the matter, which is not good PR (and that's largely what they're here for, otherwise they'd allow the kind of threadcrapping and trolling that goes on in other places to happen here).
As for the boycott, people can do as they please. If I don't want to spend money on this game, I won't. If I want to spend money on it, I will. I don't think anyone's disputing that. What I see being disputed is the notion that it's appropriate or inappropriate to organize the community to act in a consistent fashion. It's the same thing as unionizing (though in our case, it would be a very loose union). It's very telling who's against organization, and history has proven time and time again where power lies in the interactions between individual customer and multi-million dollar businesses, versus the leverage that can be had between collectives of consumers and multi-million dollar businesses.
Agreed, it does look like the only acknowledgement we get that people are actually looking at this page is when comments get deleted. If they can do that, I don't know why they can't drop a message detailing some thoughts or just acknowledging that they are paying attention.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
Okay so you conveniently brought up everything the community has asked for that is unreasonable. Okay if I asked for a free 6 star Dr. Doom that is not a good example. People give reasonable feedback all the time. Act 6 gates being removed was a reasonable ask, also tuning down the Champion 6.2.6 boss is reasonable. They're going to have to do it now anyways so if they listened back when they were told the boycott wouldn't be going on right now. They ignored suggestions that were healthy long term for the game as well so you can't just ignore that.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
More often than not the majority here tend to be wrong actually
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
Okay so you conveniently brought up everything the community has asked for that is unreasonable. Okay if I asked for a free 6 star Dr. Doom that is not a good example. People give reasonable feedback all the time. Act 6 gates being removed was a reasonable ask, also tuning down the Champion 6.2.6 boss is reasonable. They're going to have to do it now anyways so if they listened back when they were told the boycott wouldn't be going on right now. They ignored suggestions that were healthy long term for the game as well so you can't just ignore that.
All Kabam has to do is make a list of the Top 5 concerns they feel like they heard and will be prioritizing. The communication people are asking for is not hard to understand. Let me lay it out simply and not in order of importance.
1)AQ timers/costs so mixed map alliances can play together. 2) Updating weekly/daily rewards 3)New 5 or 6 star arena revamp 4) Nexus crystals- or something to help mitigate the growing problem with 170 champs in basics. 5) Masteries cost
All other things will be considered in the future. They already announced an act 7 revamp so I didn't add that.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
More often than not the majority here tend to be wrong actually
That has nothing to do with the fact that reasonable, valuable feedback is given here, and is consistently ignored. Shoot, I've seen more engagement from @MarvelChampions on Twitter, which regularly responds with, "Thank you for your feedback. We're passing it along to our development team."
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
More often than not the majority here tend to be wrong actually
That has nothing to do with the fact that reasonable, valuable feedback is given here, and is consistently ignored. Shoot, I've seen more engagement from @MarvelChampions on Twitter, which regularly responds with, "Thank you for your feedback. We're passing it along to our development team."
Which means effectively nothing. They've said already they're going to address this feedback early June, that's your response to this. It's not early June yet.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
Okay so you conveniently brought up everything the community has asked for that is unreasonable. Okay if I asked for a free 6 star Dr. Doom that is not a good example. People give reasonable feedback all the time. Act 6 gates being removed was a reasonable ask, also tuning down the Champion 6.2.6 boss is reasonable. They're going to have to do it now anyways so if they listened back when they were told the boycott wouldn't be going on right now. They ignored suggestions that were healthy long term for the game as well so you can't just ignore that.
I often find that the best way to illustrate a point is to take it to extremes. My example is purely to show WHY they can't always do what the community requests. And everyone's definition of reasonable is going to be different.
I also think tuning down the champion after act 6 legends rewards are done was the right call.
They made a call on gates, they wanted players to have a sufficient roster before tackling the content, sometimes you hear other peoples opinions, and rightly or wrongly, decide that you're sticking with the plan. Believe it or not, sometimes this works out. Removing perfect block teams was important for the long term health of the game. And yes, sometimes it works out like act 6, not good.
AQ timers are because they want you log in to the game several times a day, to build attachment. It sucks when you're already attached though. Alliance members will be tagging you a lot more often to move if timers are short as well. Possibly other reasons I'm not considering as well.
If some of you would stop getting yourselves and everyone else all worked up before you actually have anything to get worked up about you'd be much better off. Just tread water for now and wait to see what they say, THEN you'll actually either have a reason to relax or get worked up.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
More often than not the majority here tend to be wrong actually
That has nothing to do with the fact that reasonable, valuable feedback is given here, and is consistently ignored. Shoot, I've seen more engagement from @MarvelChampions on Twitter, which regularly responds with, "Thank you for your feedback. We're passing it along to our development team."
Which means effectively nothing. They've said already they're going to address this feedback early June, that's your response to this. It's not early June yet.
They say that they're going to address feedback all the time, yet rarely do, but you're still missing the point. They said that they were going to address certain feedback in early June and then created this mega-thread for others to offer more feedback that isn't receiving any sort of response or acknowledgement. It gives the appearance that this thread is the "general feedback dumping ground so that we don't have to keep moving or deleting threads". I've been a forum moderator for forums of this size before. It's a pretty common practice. Sure, they could say that they're passing feedback along to the developers and then not do anything about it, but at least it would be acknowledgement that feedback was given. Thankfully, that's not what they did in the Act 7 Beta forum. Miike gave his typical responses (to mixed reception), but we got some really respectful, detailed, and encouraging information from Welker.
Community is not a monolith. I wish people could stop using that word just to add weight to their argument. It should just be "I want this ..." or "my alliance would like that...".
You are not the appointed representative of millions of players.
I never said I was. When I said Community I used examples to actual threads that have hundreds or posts if not over a thousand. So yes, that is a good enough sample size and you have no authority of my use of the word "community" either it works both ways.
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
More often than not the majority here tend to be wrong actually
That has nothing to do with the fact that reasonable, valuable feedback is given here, and is consistently ignored. Shoot, I've seen more engagement from @MarvelChampions on Twitter, which regularly responds with, "Thank you for your feedback. We're passing it along to our development team."
Which means effectively nothing. They've said already they're going to address this feedback early June, that's your response to this. It's not early June yet.
They say that they're going to address feedback all the time, yet rarely do, but you're still missing the point. They said that they were going to address certain feedback in early June and then created this mega-thread for others to offer more feedback that isn't receiving any sort of response or acknowledgement. It gives the appearance that this thread is the "general feedback dumping ground so that we don't have to keep moving or deleting threads". I've been a forum moderator for forums of this size before. It's a pretty common practice. Sure, they could say that they're passing feedback along to the developers and then not do anything about it, but at least it would be acknowledgement that feedback was given. Thankfully, that's not what they did in the Act 7 Beta forum. Miike gave his typical responses (to mixed reception), but we got some really respectful, detailed, and encouraging information from Welker.
That's a very jaded way to put it, but in the words of my father, "When I say later, that means later.".
To be honest I think a boycott is a very immature way of communication. Yes kabam have communicated with us and ppl want them to talk to us about future plans and all that but if they tell us what their planning and their progress every two days it will take that a certain thing away from it. (I dont really know how to explain it so plz dont ask for ine)
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
Immature? How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ? How long has the community said remove act 6 gates? How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?
Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
How long has the community asked for free 6* crystals? How long has the community said we all should get the new champions?
Just because the community wants something doesn't mean:
1) it's healthy for the long term game 2) it aligns with a companys goals
They literally can't just go ahead with what the community wants in every situation, or they would have ended the game a long time ago.
Okay so you conveniently brought up everything the community has asked for that is unreasonable. Okay if I asked for a free 6 star Dr. Doom that is not a good example. People give reasonable feedback all the time. Act 6 gates being removed was a reasonable ask, also tuning down the Champion 6.2.6 boss is reasonable. They're going to have to do it now anyways so if they listened back when they were told the boycott wouldn't be going on right now. They ignored suggestions that were healthy long term for the game as well so you can't just ignore that.
I often find that the best way to illustrate a point is to take it to extremes. My example is purely to show WHY they can't always do what the community requests. And everyone's definition of reasonable is going to be different.
I also think tuning down the champion after act 6 legends rewards are done was the right call.
They made a call on gates, they wanted players to have a sufficient roster before tackling the content, sometimes you hear other peoples opinions, and rightly or wrongly, decide that you're sticking with the plan. Believe it or not, sometimes this works out. Removing perfect block teams was important for the long term health of the game. And yes, sometimes it works out like act 6, not good.
AQ timers are because they want you log in to the game several times a day, to build attachment. It sucks when you're already attached though. Alliance members will be tagging you a lot more often to move if timers are short as well. Possibly other reasons I'm not considering as well.
Yeah you're missing my points. Kabam had ample time to address the issues individually and a lot of people hit a boiling point. This "boycott" isn't random or just happened overnight. Kabam made their choices to be silent so the boycott came in response, cause and effect.
I can speak for my alliance and if someone has issue with how often they're being tagged and it is within what I deem to be in reasonable then I would boot. Simple as that. Its no different than playing map 5 or map 6. Find an alliance that suits your needs. My alliance is AQ focused so if you're an unavailable AQ player than you won't succeed in my alliance. At least with 30 min timers the opportunity to finish early is there. Being tagged would be the least of my worries.
Community is not a monolith. I wish people could stop using that word just to add weight to their argument. It should just be "I want this ..." or "my alliance would like that...".
You are not the appointed representative of millions of players.
I never said I was. When I said Community I used examples to actual threads that have hundreds or posts if not over a thousand. So yes, that is a good enough sample size and you have no authority of my use of the word "community" either it works both ways.
I didn't mention you. It was a general comment.
Regarding your second remark, you do not represent me and I am part of the community hence you are not the community representative. So what I said is factually and unarguably correct.
You want to go round and round. I will still use the word community when I feel like it.
There you go. All of the boycott talk will be deleted anyway so its a waste of time. I would like to go back to the key issued I raised that Kabam could communicate to put people at ease. If they want to wait till mid June and beyond so be it.
All in all kabam aren't stupid. They know if they dont implement what the player base is crying for they will lose players over a period of time. So kabam is basically forced to implement most of the things we want.
Some of the feedback given on this thread will be implemented in the game, why, becuase kabam know it will make us happy and quite for some time if they do. It's a no brainer imo
I'm not sure if I said that correctly but you get the point
Let's give it another few days or a week and see the feedback we get from kabam, *let's just be patient*
I was thinking if we want more lines of direct communication, expecting Kabam to read/sift through thousands of forum posts a day isn't feasible. Many people don't have game design experience, so realize not all ideas/solutions are equal. Some will straight up ruin the game (not the best example, but say if everyone could easily get specific top 6* champs quickly, it'll just cause 6*r4, r5, or even 7*s to possibly become a thing much more quickly).
The different moderators over time, do individually see different recommendations, ideas, and complaints, but for them to pool it together into something concrete daily hasn't been their job or should it be (6 ish mods, vs. 100k+ players).
Also, good/interesting ideas, feedback, and suggestions are lost midst the complaints, demands, noise (yes, some people sometimes just make noise) ,and unclear path to move forward with.
TLDR: work towards having a better means to communicate specific pain points, discuss, and eventually hear what is Kabam's perspective/position on it.
Eventually, we should have an improved way for us to communicate.
For example, vote which pain points we as a community want to address, and after we vote some up: have a place for each pain point, for only discussion of possible solutions arguing for or against, as opposed to people complaining, not providing clear ideas' pros and cons, or derailing the conversation.
If they come out and say they're looking at x but don't actually make a major or any change to x, I can only imagine the "constructive feedback" they'd get here
Depends on the person they send out. Ad0ra seemed to handle a lot of the back and forth well for a long time.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
I just think kabam havent been communicating as much with us lately becuase they are already teing to relieve the issues that we are bringing to them and these issues will take time to fix
Ya'll just need to be patient. Theres always light at the end of the tunnel
I disagree. Perception is reality and Public Relations firms exist for a reason.
Kabam may be actively working behind the scenes to try and improve their game, but if they're not engaging with the community, the community is left to wonder what's going on. Over the years, Kabam has given the community too many reasons to not take them at their word:
-All champions have the same speed and cadence to all their moves -Sentinel's L1 has always been incredibly hard to punish -Archangel's passive stun is meant to bypass limber and stun immunity
The list goes on. Either by making erroneous statements or walking back previously made statements, Kabam has made the community skeptical because they have cultivated an image of distrust.
When a person or a company wants to change their image, they can hire a PR firm/manager to help. The PR firm's job is to make sure community engagement is on-point and on-message so the person/company can slowly adjust their image or public perception.
Kabam could do this, though they don't have to hire a PR firm. They could simply commit a single person to come to this thread daily. The job would not be to give status updates, but rather to make a post that crystallizes all the concerns brought up that day. Make a list of the concerns and then forward that to the game team. For review. This could happen 5 days per week until the new roadmap is released.
If a representative from Kabam commented on this thread regularly to engage with the players, could you imagine how much tension that would relieve? One of the main concerns I'm hearing is transparency and the lack thereof from the game team. The roadmap helps, but it pales in comparison to regular community engagement.
While in general I agree with the sentiment of this, I don't really blame them for being hesitant to say much of anything until there's something concrete and decided on to say. Anytime they say anything and then change something you just get a bunch of "but but but you said..." rabble afterward.
To be fair, this is why I stated that this liaison's job would NOT be to give updates...just to be a player-facing presence for the company, here to collect feedback and pass it along.
They wouldn't say things like "Ok, we're toying with the idea of adjusting AQ timers". They would instead say things like "You've all posted a lot about the current time commitments that AQ places on you. I'll pass that along. In the meantime, what kind of solutions would you all propose that may work?"
Not only does that relieve tension without having to commit to anything, but it also guides the conversion of this thread from a complaint thread to a constructive brainstorming thread.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
It’s easier to ramp up Ægon and hit into their blocks than it is to bleed that path. Just him to a 500 hit combo before you get to Killmonger so you don’t trigger Reverberation.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
That one is rough.
I used Sabretooth for that line, bringing in Omega Red and KM for synergy. For this particular fight, Omega's synergy let bleed trigger on regular hits and KM's synergy prevented the enemy from ever healing. Plus, every ten hits I scored inflicted an armor break, so no reverberation. Sabretooth solo'd that whole line.
Oh good, they deleted the boycott post and didn’t close down the thread.
At the risk of giving this more attention than I should, it is impossible to convince anyone you represent them. Either they believe you do based on your actions, or they don't. And if they don't, but you assert you do, that's going nowhere.
People will climb mountains and swim oceans just to tell you that you don't represent them. I think people with current situational awareness will understand my point, regardless of what side you might be on.
I’m sorry but I have no idea what that is in reference to.
I believe he's referring to those organizing said action, and how they don't feel represented in these discussions. It's impossible to convince them that they're being represented here. They either believe it, or they don't. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.
Ah, I think that’s what he meant. I doubt the boycott would even happen if Kabam would just give regular updates and announcements of what they are working on.
I usually try to avoid the generic "you" when it might be confusing, but i failed to do so in this case. Reread replacing "you" with "some individual or group."
As to your assertion about whether the referenced actions would be happening if Kabam was more responsive, I think you're right, but only because the organizers would believe there was no possibility of success. I think the relative dialog-vacuum creates the possibility of success in their minds. But as I said, the impression I get, and the impression many players have reached out to me unprompted to express, is that players are being told they are being represented by this movement, but most of those players don't agree. And honestly, when I take the gripe list as a whole, I can't say I feel they would be representing my best interests either.
If there are players reaching out to *me* to ask me what I think about this because they don't feel comfortable jumping on this particular bandwagon and they are worried they might be missing something, there must be literally tens of thousands of similar conversations happening throughout the player community. For me the interesting thing I'm seeing is that I'm not seeing apathy. Players aren't saying eh, I don't care. They are very specifically saying they think they should be doing something, but explicitly not that. And I've honestly never seen that attitude widespread before.
I think the organizers misjudged their hand before going all in.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
That’s cause you’re using the wrong counter.
Armor break him first, then inflict your bleeds.
So out of 145 Champions available as 5/6 stars you have 4 good options for this fight. ( could be more that i haven't thought off).
Gwenpool ( Best option by a country mile imo especially if awakened) Venom Warlock SS
(You also have medusa but i think her rotation in applying armor shatter then working upto sp2 to apply bleeds is long winded and you would be better off with a strong bleeder like x23, NF or BP and playing around vibranium armor being down.)
So we should just work on getting those champs....... oh wait champions acquisition is random and based purely on luck
Yeah seems like really good content design having super niche fights with few counters and only luck deciding if you can do the fight or not rather then skill.
I'm assuming the player in the quote didn't have access to these champs hence why they used blade. Hes proven yeah sure its possible to struggle through with sub optimal champs i.e. bringing any bleed champion and working around the downtime of viburnum armor. However, as he stated this isn't fun. If you aren't having fun why keep playing. Act 6 is just not fun if you don't have the right counter and there is too much of these types of fights in act 6. Its very anti-friendly to players who are f2p because its not skill based but based on counters which is based on crystal pulls which heavily favors spenders.
from my own experience I can 100% 6.3 but i can't 100% 6.2 because i haven't pulled the right champs and have these ridiculous gates to deal with. Yeah great how long shall i wait to do that. Its been a year since 6.2. Super fun that is. Also can't even use combination of 5 and 6* champions as part of the requirement for these gates it has to be 4 5* skill champions. I could have a stealth spiderman or NF as a 6* but i am going to have to pull the 5* version and rank them up to use them for the skill path. Again great fun
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There could be a FAQ thread so that moderators don't have to respond to such suggestions over and over again... But there isn't. "Here's why we've decided not to do 30-minute AQ/AW timers at this time. If there's any reason to make a change to this, we'll notify the community as to why that decision has changed. Please refer back to this response any time people start asking for 30-minute AQ/AW timers in the future." That would be reasonable communication. Shoot... Moderators are constantly closing threads and directing forum traffic to their preferred "This thread is the dumping ground for things we want to ignore because we're never going to respond to it." like the Character Wishlist threads. Good public relations on forums of this size aren't difficult, but the Kabam moderators are still silent on the matter, which is not good PR (and that's largely what they're here for, otherwise they'd allow the kind of threadcrapping and trolling that goes on in other places to happen here).
As for the boycott, people can do as they please. If I don't want to spend money on this game, I won't. If I want to spend money on it, I will. I don't think anyone's disputing that. What I see being disputed is the notion that it's appropriate or inappropriate to organize the community to act in a consistent fashion. It's the same thing as unionizing (though in our case, it would be a very loose union). It's very telling who's against organization, and history has proven time and time again where power lies in the interactions between individual customer and multi-million dollar businesses, versus the leverage that can be had between collectives of consumers and multi-million dollar businesses.
1)AQ timers/costs so mixed map alliances can play together.
2) Updating weekly/daily rewards
3)New 5 or 6 star arena revamp
4) Nexus crystals- or something to help mitigate the growing problem with 170 champs in basics.
5) Masteries cost
All other things will be considered in the future. They already announced an act 7 revamp so I didn't add that.
I also think tuning down the champion after act 6 legends rewards are done was the right call.
They made a call on gates, they wanted players to have a sufficient roster before tackling the content, sometimes you hear other peoples opinions, and rightly or wrongly, decide that you're sticking with the plan. Believe it or not, sometimes this works out. Removing perfect block teams was important for the long term health of the game. And yes, sometimes it works out like act 6, not good.
AQ timers are because they want you log in to the game several times a day, to build attachment. It sucks when you're already attached though. Alliance members will be tagging you a lot more often to move if timers are short as well. Possibly other reasons I'm not considering as well.
I can speak for my alliance and if someone has issue with how often they're being tagged and it is within what I deem to be in reasonable then I would boot. Simple as that. Its no different than playing map 5 or map 6. Find an alliance that suits your needs. My alliance is AQ focused so if you're an unavailable AQ player than you won't succeed in my alliance. At least with 30 min timers the opportunity to finish early is there. Being tagged would be the least of my worries.
There you go. All of the boycott talk will be deleted anyway so its a waste of time. I would like to go back to the key issued I raised that Kabam could communicate to put people at ease. If they want to wait till mid June and beyond so be it.
Some of the feedback given on this thread will be implemented in the game, why, becuase kabam know it will make us happy and quite for some time if they do. It's a no brainer imo
I'm not sure if I said that correctly but you get the point
Let's give it another few days or a week and see the feedback we get from kabam, *let's just be patient*
The different moderators over time, do individually see different recommendations, ideas, and complaints, but for them to pool it together into something concrete daily hasn't been their job or should it be (6 ish mods, vs. 100k+ players).
Also, good/interesting ideas, feedback, and suggestions are lost midst the complaints, demands, noise (yes, some people sometimes just make noise) ,and unclear path to move forward with.
TLDR: work towards having a better means to communicate specific pain points, discuss, and eventually hear what is Kabam's perspective/position on it.
Eventually, we should have an improved way for us to communicate.
For example, vote which pain points we as a community want to address, and after we vote some up: have a place for each pain point, for only discussion of possible solutions arguing for or against, as opposed to people complaining, not providing clear ideas' pros and cons, or derailing the conversation.
Dr. Zola
Hope this works, never tried to attach a pic to a post. But this is why people hate act 6. This is 6.2.6 Do you Bleed Killmonger, also has the node where he shrugs off 80% of your bleeds AND heals 5% for every shrug off. I have a max sig rank 5 Blade, with 5 out of 5 deep wounds. After I died, Killmonger was STILL at 27%. Horrible node design. And that's just the second fight lol. The casual player has zero interest in playing content like this. Once I did that fight, quit out, and never been back into that Act. These are the fights that need to be addressed.
They wouldn't say things like "Ok, we're toying with the idea of adjusting AQ timers". They would instead say things like "You've all posted a lot about the current time commitments that AQ places on you. I'll pass that along. In the meantime, what kind of solutions would you all propose that may work?"
Not only does that relieve tension without having to commit to anything, but it also guides the conversion of this thread from a complaint thread to a constructive brainstorming thread.
I used Sabretooth for that line, bringing in Omega Red and KM for synergy. For this particular fight, Omega's synergy let bleed trigger on regular hits and KM's synergy prevented the enemy from ever healing. Plus, every ten hits I scored inflicted an armor break, so no reverberation. Sabretooth solo'd that whole line.
As to your assertion about whether the referenced actions would be happening if Kabam was more responsive, I think you're right, but only because the organizers would believe there was no possibility of success. I think the relative dialog-vacuum creates the possibility of success in their minds. But as I said, the impression I get, and the impression many players have reached out to me unprompted to express, is that players are being told they are being represented by this movement, but most of those players don't agree. And honestly, when I take the gripe list as a whole, I can't say I feel they would be representing my best interests either.
If there are players reaching out to *me* to ask me what I think about this because they don't feel comfortable jumping on this particular bandwagon and they are worried they might be missing something, there must be literally tens of thousands of similar conversations happening throughout the player community. For me the interesting thing I'm seeing is that I'm not seeing apathy. Players aren't saying eh, I don't care. They are very specifically saying they think they should be doing something, but explicitly not that. And I've honestly never seen that attitude widespread before.
I think the organizers misjudged their hand before going all in.
Armor break him first, then inflict your bleeds.
Gwenpool ( Best option by a country mile imo especially if awakened)
Venom
Warlock
SS
(You also have medusa but i think her rotation in applying armor shatter then working upto sp2 to apply bleeds is long winded and you would be better off with a strong bleeder like x23, NF or BP and playing around vibranium armor being down.)
So we should just work on getting those champs....... oh wait champions acquisition is random and based purely on luck
Yeah seems like really good content design having super niche fights with few counters and only luck deciding if you can do the fight or not rather then skill.
I'm assuming the player in the quote didn't have access to these champs hence why they used blade. Hes proven yeah sure its possible to struggle through with sub optimal champs i.e. bringing any bleed champion and working around the downtime of viburnum armor. However, as he stated this isn't fun. If you aren't having fun why keep playing. Act 6 is just not fun if you don't have the right counter and there is too much of these types of fights in act 6. Its very anti-friendly to players who are f2p because its not skill based but based on counters which is based on crystal pulls which heavily favors spenders.
from my own experience I can 100% 6.3 but i can't 100% 6.2 because i haven't pulled the right champs and have these ridiculous gates to deal with. Yeah great how long shall i wait to do that. Its been a year since 6.2. Super fun that is. Also can't even use combination of 5 and 6* champions as part of the requirement for these gates it has to be 4 5* skill champions. I could have a stealth spiderman or NF as a 6* but i am going to have to pull the 5* version and rank them up to use them for the skill path. Again great fun