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5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

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  • NinjAlanNinjAlan Member Posts: 358 ★★★
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

    Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

    I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

    Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

    They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

    Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

    Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

    Anything fast tracked about grinding your fingers off for 6 months saving 150k shards for a specific champ? Or is it fast tracking when whales spend Odins and get them in 10 minutes?

    It doesn't take 6 months to open a Crystal that has a drop rate higher than any other in the game, as far as one specific Champ is concerned.

    It takes many months of grinding to save 120-135k shards for a specific champ. Much slower than a whale who spins him in 10 minutes.

    Kabam just screwed every player who worked hard for their champions.
    What do whales have to do with it? You think they are benefitting from this? Statistically, those whales have more Shards than you. Which is why they roll every Champ they go for. You would be staggered to see the results of the GMC. Have a look on YouTube sometime. The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous. Some may have that much money, sure. Certainly not a target audience. The changes mean fair drops. Not better drops for those that allegedly work harder.

    GW you’re off the mark on this one. This change indirectly benefits all the whales who are willing to spend thousands on feature grandmaster crystals to get the feature 5* champion, because of the now exclusivity of new 5* champions. I’m referring to the higher tier players so try to stay with me. The best way to get the latest 5* version of a new champion is through feature grandmaster crystals, especially if a new champion is released just after the latest 3-month feature 5* crystal. You would need 24 new feature 5* crystals (360k 5* shards) to have the same chance as 5 feature 5* crystals now (assuming 20% feature chance). So if a new champion comes out that is absolutely god-tier and with top prestige, the whales who have thousands to spend on this game are the ones who will get that champion and have a higher edge on non-whales. Where as before, any BrianGrant could save up all their 5* shards and have a pretty decent chance at getting the featured 5* champion if they saved enough. To say that this change will not affect at all the amount of feature grandmaster crystals being purchased is naive.

    “The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous” - that is the definition of a whale, now you know.

    Nothing is stopping that from happening now. Although I don't think the number of people who have that much to spend is large. Anyone can buy the GMC right now. Whether spending or Shards, those whales are going to get what they want in any system. This change is about the Crystals, not the spending. That's just my opinion.

    And your totally entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

    An opinion isn't an opinion when it's incorrect, it's just wrong. And the proof is in the pudding as they say, the new 5* will not be available via shards, only via units i.e. cash.
  • IOSJasoNIOSJasoN Member Posts: 649 ★★★
    So the idea of this is make players wait 3 months for a slim chance at the new champs.. or they can spend buying unit bundle after unit bundle to buy the Grandmasters featured crystals to have an even slimmer chance to pull the new 5* champs sooner.. Got it thanks..

    Tbh guys there's no point complaining it's their game we just play it.. If the change doesn't work out to their advantage they will change it again or back eventually..
  • Collector6789Collector6789 Member Posts: 99
    Vdh2008 wrote: »
    There is a certain person here (no names mentioned) that’s working real hard to derail the thread as is the normal MO. Please stop feeding trolls and focus your anger where it belongs. This feature crystal change is a slap in the face to the community and it needs to be addressed.

    Sorry, just can't seem to not let the troll get to me.
  • lozzadudelozzadude Member Posts: 164
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    Yes there are some meh champs in there & light on God-tier champs, but it could be worse. From my 3x featured 5* crystals I pulled Spider Gwen, Colossus & Old Man Logan. At least they aren't in there & this time round there is no LC, IP, HB, SH, etc.

    I think that Ant-man definitely should NOT be in any featured crystal though.
  • belli300belli300 Member Posts: 704 ★★★
    I think a good option to please the community for this first round and only for this first round it to allow the community to vote on 6 champs they want to see in the first new feature crystal so the 1st crystal would have 6 feature champs, 6 voted on by the community(1 champs from each class) and then 12 trash champs kabam would like to throw in to change the odds. I know kabam doesn’t really listen to suggestion but I think this would be a Good opportunity to regain some ground with the community seeing as so far with the exception of the monthly calendar 2018 has been a total bust for Mcoc. Not off to a good start guys this could change things.
  • Player1994Player1994 Member Posts: 793 ★★★
    if we won't be able to get a featured champ with this crystal ? then why it will cost us 15k shards ? basically it's becoming a normal crystal pool means having to wait months and months to pull a luke cage
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,519 ★★★★★
    Player1994 wrote: »
    if we won't be able to get a featured champ with this crystal ? then why it will cost us 15k shards ? basically it's becoming a normal crystal pool means having to wait months and months to pull a luke cage

    You will be able to get them. The chance of one specific Feature will be less, but the chance of a Feature in general will be more.
  • PatacchinoPatacchino Member Posts: 1
    The only way to have the character in evidence 5 stars of the week will be through the acquisition of the crystals in evidence?, I find it a thing out of the ordinary, that one must necessarily spend money and units to have the character in evidence, or you spend money or you can not have it, does it seem right?
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,713 ★★★★★
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

    Beast
    Storm
    Cable
    Cyclops (New Xavier School)
    Thor (Ragnarok)
    Taskmaster

    Agent Venom
    Hawkeye
    Modok
    Sentry
    Void

    Ant-Man
    Mordo
    Thor (Jane Foster)
    Loki
    Juggernaut
    Hela
    Phoenix
    Ronan
    Venompool
    Nebula
    Punisher (2099)
    Civil Warrior
    Doctor Octopus

    Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

    With the exception of 1 or 2 champs this list is trash.

    Consistently good regen: Doc Ock, Nebula (maybe, and only if you get hit).

    Double immune: Nebula

    Bleed immune: no one

    Poison immune: Ronan

    Power control: Hawkeye, Doc Ock, Civil Warrior

    Defense: Juggs (needs to be duped and 5/5MD), Mordo

    Ability accuracy reducers: Civil Warrior

    Shrug off Debuff: Agent Venom



    Nebula is mediocre.
    Ronan sucks.
    Hawkeye while still has good utility is replaced by Magik and Vodoo and OG Vision, etc..
    Juggs get torn through with Blade tho he's decent.
    Civil Warrior ability reductions pales in comparison to Archangel, Voodoo, etc..
    Agent Venom is a tough defender in very low tiers but has terrible offense.


    No offense but nobody wants any of the champs listed except for Doc Ock and maybe Hela.

    Terrible utility champs, poor double immunes, terrible regen, barely anyone worth taking into AQ or AW, defensively or offensively. Your team must be getting their information from map 2/3 players who don't know how to evade Cyclops' beams and are forced to use their Antman's and Ronans.

    What is this, early 2016?

    Nope, they have super awesomely awesome data that shows all those heroes are super useful and amazingly effective in AQ and AW

    ;););););););)
  • ImranImran Member Posts: 587 ★★★
    I'm here just to read the comment.
  • Collector6789Collector6789 Member Posts: 99
    The issue with these is that if the new crystal comes out and the next week they release a new sought after champ that unless you want to spend on GMC then you have to wait 3 months. So even though there may be some featured champs in the crystal, if the one your wanting isn't going to be in there for 3 months why would anyone waste the shards they have been saving on a crystal that doesn't have the champ they want. If this is the way they want to go then they should allow you to trade/sell 5* shards for units or for GMCs so that you can have a chance at getting the newly released champ that you want.
  • CoolGuy_McFlyCoolGuy_McFly Member Posts: 14
    So basically these new 5* featured crystals will have a smaller pool of 18 champions from the 5* basic crystal and a chance of 6 previously featured champions for a total of 24 champions in them, but instead of lasting 2 weeks, they'll stay longer until the next batch of 6 featured champs is created about 3 months later? Just making sure I'm getting this right because in my opinion, it's not that bad of a new system. The basic pool will still make up 18 of the champions in the featured crystal, but it's a 6/24 chance or 1/4 chance to get a featured champ that might still be very viable/good. So with the first batch of the new featured 5* crystals, there's a chance of getting MODOK (who imo is a pretty solid/annoying to fight defender), and Hela (who has a pretty great damage output and prestige) as well as a few other champs from the basic pool that though they're not announced/chosen yet, MIGHT eventually include champions like Stark Spidey, Star-Lord, Gwenpool, Medusa, Quake, Archangel, and other champs that are sought for in the 5* basic pool. If 5k shards means a slightly higher chance of getting a champ I actually want over some featured champs I'm not too hyped for, I'm pretty excited to see how this plays out.
  • BlisteringHeatBlisteringHeat Member Posts: 1
    Kabam -

    There's a strategy that you perhaps unintentionally eliminated in making these 5* changes. Sometimes when I was on the fence about a champ, I'd attempt to pull him in feature 5* but not attempt to dupe him. Then I'd play with him for a bit and commit more red shards to the 5* re-release if I wanted to dupe. There was an embedded option to commit scarce resources or not, because I knew the champ would be released a 2nd time.

    I recently did this with MODOK, and there are a handful of other champs that appear to fall into a "void" (<--See what I did there) where they were released once but will now NOT be released a 2nd time as old 5* featureds (with a drop rate >4%) - they are being placed in the new 5* blended feature crystal (drop rate ~4%). That means I have a lower chance of getting the champ I want, and a higher chance of scarce resources being spent on champs that won't make my top teams. Further, I was saving for the blade re-release, and was planning to shoot for 5* featured MODOK with whatever I had left. With these changes, that collection-building strategy is eliminated. You've elected to release Blade a 2nd time, and the logic behind that seems to be that the community would be upset about not having a 2nd shot at him? It should come as no surprise then that I'd like the same opportunity to dupe MODOK (or others focused on Sentry, etc.).

    Two requests:
    1) For that subset of champs that were released once as featured, please re-release them as a 5* featured again so I/we can attempt to dupe. THEN start releasing new featured champs with your new 5* blended feature.
    2) If you decide not to fulfill that first request, please state which champions will be included in the sub-featured pull for the Blade re-release (and % chance of getting MODOK, if included) so I can at least know how to maximize my odds of getting MODOK under the new way.

    I generally don't think these changes are great, but they're made much worse by changing the "rules of the game" around 5* featureds that were previously released once. I spend a ton of money on this game and don't like surprises like this. Had I known these changes were coming, I'd have attempted to dupe MODOK during his first release (and saved less for Blade) but that wasn't communicated so I wasn't able to adjust my strategy. I'd welcome your feedback.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,519 ★★★★★
    @Kabam Miike Why not make a GOOD crystal that costs 20k that ONLY gives you a chance at 1 of 6 featured GOOD heroes? No increased chance, but an equal chance at a god tier champ. You could call it the...... GOD Tier crystal............. Just a thought, because this new one is to put it nicely..... Trash.

    That would a) defeat the purpose of a random system, and b) end up being the only Crystal anyone opens.
  • Collector6789Collector6789 Member Posts: 99
    I agree with some of the other post that 3 months is to long. Like they said 1 month would be an improvement. Rotate the new champs in each month. Still think they should offer 5* shards to be traded for units or GMC also for those that don't want to wait to try and get the newest champ. Maybe 15k shards for 10 GMC or the units equivalent as an example.
  • Armaganon00Armaganon00 Member Posts: 741 ★★
    To be honest, i feel this to be a horrible change. I applaud shorting the list of trash champs but this will also hurt us as well. For example, i pop 15k of shards for a champ like modok, and get arch angel or hyperion. But with you new system, they may not be on the list. So that increases the chances again to pull garbage like collosuss if hes in the list.

    Also i dont want to go for a featured, and get another featured. If i save up for a champ, i want to go for that champ. Were going from a roughly 1 in 5 chance to 1 and 24. That is horrible odds now.

    Speaking of the odds, when will they be released to the public?

    At this point, since 15k shards will be even more a waste. Let us cash them in for units. So we can buy the crystal that has a 5* featured, but also odds are u get a 3 star..

    Come on, Kabam.. Every step forward, you guys take 3 steps back.
  • colbyscipio987colbyscipio987 Member Posts: 1,027 ★★
    I seen SEATIN the youtuber discuss this and i agree with SEATIN. I dont agree with this new featured 5 star crystal.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Member Posts: 447 ★★★
    That's great, now I can't even go for a science champ specifically with my 3 5* science AGs. Void better not be Sentry tier
  • BahamutBahamut Member Posts: 2,307 ★★★★
    Hey @Kabam Miike and everyone else check Out MCoC Reddit “New 5* featured crystal vs basic odds”
  • ZenioZenio Member Posts: 106
    The dislike for this change goes to show everybody wants to be like the next.. wanna brag because they got a certain champion, wanna be praised because they got a certain champion..etc.
  • mostlyharmlessnmostlyharmlessn Member Posts: 1,387 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Dagonelle wrote: »
    So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more?

    What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed

    The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course.

    5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities.


    Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt.....

    And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes...

    Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection.

    What’s your opinion on this?

    To be honest, I'm still having coffee, digesting. I think it's a varied range of Champs in the pool. Better chances to Dup, which means more 6* Shards. If there are 6 Featured Champs in the Crystal, that's actually a 33.333...% chance at a Featured. That may lessen the chance of one specific Champ, which is why people may be upset, but I think it's time to even the chance. The Featured has had a higher probability for a long time. Personally I don't see anything objectionable. I don't agree that it's connected to Apple.

    Edit: That's a 25% chance to pull a Featured. I was thinking there were 18 in the Crystal. Still more than we estimated. Just not for one specific Champ.

    And a 4.166666 chance of getting the one you want...

    I'm not complaining, just figured for clarity since everyone is talking about getting a specific champ
  • ZenioZenio Member Posts: 106
    and no more RNG huh 😆
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Member Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Im just surprised after 28 pages of pretty much everyone disagreeing besides a couple of "smart" guys that they don't want to change their mind at all. What are you guys doing anyway just sitting there waiting for us to get tired out?
    Get it through your skulls no one is enjoying the thought of this idea please just say you are mixing this idea up to help us as well.
  • Tasty_Yum_YumsTasty_Yum_Yums Member Posts: 444 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    How about you remove all of the champs in the basic that are being used for the new featured crystal. That means there wouldn’t be able to pull a spectacular cyclops in the basic for 3 months, but the player community could manage....
  • ThatweirdguyThatweirdguy Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    Yeah this confirms that the lack of an update was due to Apple regs. This change is due to that. It is also due to the unbalancing of the game by Kabam. They have created so many useless champs and a handful of god like champs. The game is flooded with Stark Spideys and Blades because people can control who they get to an extent by saving shards. This change will help the whale alliances and Kabam. Now people will not be able to catch the whale alliances with high prestige champs unless they are bought via FGMC.
  • AfflictionAffliction Member Posts: 382 ★★
    This is absolute trash...... Woohoo... We get more of a chance to dubb a pos character while going for these, not even that great, features... FOR 1/4 OF THE YEAR!!! The long wait for a God Tier mutant to use my five* awakening on that I've had for close to a year or over a YEAR now... Fix ur friggin game and champs not responding/dropped blocks 4 worrying about this kind of bs!!!!!
  • bradshaw84bradshaw84 Member Posts: 31
    The frustrating element of this game has always been that unlike most games there seems a concerted effort on the part of the developer to not reward effort. It doesn’t matter how hard you play or if you spend, the results are largely down to poor RNG percentages. Because we all play for the same reason right? To get new and great champs.

    The 15k crystal as it is now offered a clear and distinct goal for hard workers to aim for a specific champ, it wasn’t a guarantee it was a better chance and the harder u grinder and saved the better still your chances became.

    In what universe is hard work a negative thing? KABAM LAND, that’s where. RNG has always been their core, because the gamble is where they make their money.

    I don’t know many who consistently buy the featured GMC’s and obviously neither to kabam. This change is motivated SOLELY by their bottom line and then they brazenly try to pass it off in game with an insulting message from the grandmaster about the current system being outdated and how the new system will benefit us.

    It’s a long con.
  • AfflictionAffliction Member Posts: 382 ★★
    edited January 2018
    This is absolute trash...... Woohoo... We get more of a chance to dubb a pos character while going for these, not even that great, features... FOR 1/4 OF THE YEAR!!! The long wait for a God Tier mutant to use my five* awakening on that I've had for close to a year or over a YEAR now... Fix ur friggin game and champs not responding/dropped blocks b4 worrying about this kind of bs!!!!!
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