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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,908 ★★★★★

    Ah, I think that’s what he meant. I doubt the boycott would even happen if Kabam would just give regular updates and announcements of what they are working on.
    Let's not forget this is being tipped off by a change that isn't even happening. They're taking feedback in, and they've acknowledged it. What isn't happening is completely unreasonable demands. They can't do away with all RNG. They can't buff all Champs overnight. They aren't likely going to delete all the "trash Champs" from the Crystal, they're not likely going to stop the current Season and remove Flow because people are already underway in it (of all the requests that one is the most doable, but their stance is they will readjust after the data from this Season comes), et al.
    They're hearing it. That doesn't mean they can snap their fingers and give people whatever they want. I don't mind saying this. The whole exercise is just entitled.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,908 ★★★★★

    I don’t think anyone expects Kabam to resolve these issues overnight, I think most people expect what we have been asking for: open communication and a clear plan of what they will do. I don’t think the boycott is entitled and I support it, but the forums is not the place to talk about it.
    I've outlined the various points they've already addressed, and larger points are being discussed by them. They've indicated as much. Have they systematically answered every issue in this Thread? No. The largest points have been addressed, and they can't provide much on something they're still talking about. More will be outlined in June.
    I don't support actions like that, never have. It's not the appropriate way to communicate. However, I would be less inclined to argue had they been issues that weren't already being looked at. I don't care who's behind it. Ignoring the discussions already taking place and refusing to acknowledge that those issues have already been heard is ignorant. That's the most appropriate language to use for it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,908 ★★★★★

    Why isn’t a boycott and appropriate way to communicate? Players are under no obligation to spend their money on this game, so deciding not to spend is totally an appropriate response. And Kabam haven’t addressed the main concerns yet, we’re still waiting for that in the June roadmap. The short term roadmap they released was what they were already working on. We know they’re discussing the concerns but we don’t know how or what they are discussing to fix it. That’s the issue people have, the lack of proper communication. And, again, these aren’t new complaints, people have been complaining about this stuff for years and ever since Act 6 came out. If anyone is being ignorant, it’s Kabam. I myself will be waiting until the June Roadmap comes out to decide what I will do on July 4th.
    Extortion is never a reasonable way to communicate.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,908 ★★★★★

    Dude a boycott is not extortion. Extortion would more like kidnapping someone from Kabam to force them to make changes. Boycotting is exercising their rights as spenders. Besides, Kabam makes more than enough money for a one week boycott to hurt them, this is a demonstration of how serious these issues are to us. What would you have them do? Continue their regular spending habits on something they no longer want to support?
    I can assure you the word extortion is appropriate. Choosing not to spend is one thing. Organizing a demonstration to get their own way is another. I think you're minimizing it just a bit. That's not what's going on. I'm also not delving into this anymore, so you can feel free to support whatever you like. I'm not agreeing with the altruism justification.
  • slackerslacker Member Posts: 781 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    If I understand what you're saying, they way I've seen it most often is not to charge for swapping, but to charge for the additional builds. So you do XYZ to unlock build #2, but then you have to buy build #2 when it is unlocked. Once you've bought it, you can populate it with a different build and switch between B1 and B2 (which for MCOC would be a complete mastery setup). If you're concerned about over-switching, you use a cooldown. So rather than pay to switch, once you switch build you can't switch again for some period of time, a day, and hour, something.
    I think we should seperate the main mastery and AW mastery, cause they could switch between non-suicide when they off and suicide when they attack that cause imbalance( I think so ?)
  • DMAN232DMAN232 Member Posts: 26
    Kabam any news on what you have planned given the genuine feelings of the majority of your player base.
    Most feel that you are disengaged from the community and more communication is needed.
    Even if you don't know how you are going to win the players back please acknowledge that changes are needed and can you respond to these concerns raised?

    By not doing anything you risk alienating more of your players/customers
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,908 ★★★★★



    If you want to use a word you don't quite understand, just ask google. It's super easy to learn new stuff and improve yourself.
    You just gave the definition that supported my use of the word. I'm not getting pulled into any more of that aspect of the discussion. I think the entire movement is beyond disrespectful. It's been brought up so many times now that it's just a tactic to get what people want at this point. We're not Nurses fighting for fair wages. We're not Postal Workers that are overworked and underpaid. We're Gamers who play a mobile game. We have every right to say what we would like to see. We also have a choice as to whether we want to play it or not. Threatening to stop playing until we get our way is just manipulation. We're not entitled to get what we want. Not at all. When you add the fact that they've already heard the issues people brought up and others are still not satisfied because they're taking time to process, that's just ridiculous. That's how I feel on it, and we might as well put a period at the end of that sentence because I'm not going to risk my Forum Account over something I won't change my mind on. It's altogether in bad form.
  • Morpheus_123Morpheus_123 Member Posts: 792 ★★★
    Seems there has been a lot of boycotting talk while I had a sleep!

    As much as some aspects of the game annoy me, and I've suggested improvements myself, I don't think there is any need for that kind of talk. Boycotting is for serious situations when people have paid for goods/services and they are not getting what they have paid for. Has that happened to anyone?!

    I'm not the first, and probably not the last to say, if you are genuinely that unhappy with the game that boycotting is a something you're thinking about, then your better off deleting the app and getting on with your life. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, there is just more important things to do in life.

    I used to play a game called Killshot, and the developers were constantly back tracking their offers once people had paid or worked hard in game to get them. That is a boycotting scenario, this is just people wanting the developers to make they game how they want it. Not the same.

    Thanks.
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  • ChobblyChobbly Member Posts: 1,013 ★★★★
    CHIEF1121 said:

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned in prior posts or not. One potential fix for the champion requirement issues or repeated “bad pulls” would be to add an option to spin the Crystal one additional time if you receive an unsatisfactory result the first time.

    That's a great idea. Or if that wasn't palatable to Kabam make it a once per day ability, or make it only available if the first spin was a dupe. Or maybe just for 5* and 6* crystals. There's lots of options for this.

    Having just duped Daredevil (Netflix) as the reward for completing Act 5, this would really be appreciated...
  • cookiedealercookiedealer Member Posts: 260 ★★
    edited May 2020

    Immature?
    How long has the community asked for 30 min timers in AQ?
    How long has the community said remove act 6 gates?
    How long has the community asked to 6 star arena or 5 star basic arena?

    Now if there was no history of being ignored and these issues got addressed as they came up we wouldn't be here but to say its immature. I just believe that is a troll comment.
    So part of the problem is people feel ignore- makes sense. Another is, people want to hear how Kabam views the proposed methods solutions (we need to be specific), and what are they currently working related to playerbase pain points (so increased transparency).

    I agree, if there was more historical communication, more changes/buffs implemented, players wouldn't be as upset.

    Personally, I think it's more the long standing issues that players want to talk about/be fixed (Masteries, very little to play for for some, crystal RNG, very specific quest counters required, that node that requires players to have all champs alive, buffs/adjustments to champs/crystals, AW one global dominance). Some of these will take time to fix. However, I don't expect Kabam to address these problems with only one of the ways you've proposed. At least people are trying to provide possible solutions. I fall into the camp of, let's give Kabam some time to take in our feedback and hear their longer term roadmap.

    AQ and quality of life. The reduced AQ timers is one way to go about. Some ways: less link nodes, increase the AQ energy capacity, some node/champ combinations need be rethought, and/or have not too hard items to unlock that gives 3 or 5 AQ energy. Kabam may want enough attachfulness from players than what players want, so the solution may fall in between.

    ACT 6 difficulty. Act 6 gates may have been too harsh. 4 of each class is tough. The number of gates found is also a factor. I think that combined with certain nodes, make Act 6 a much higher roster+skill leap from Act 5 to 6.

    5 or 6 star arena is one way to unlock more specific access to champs for a very small part of the playerbase (those who grind arena for top rank rewards, top 150 level, or bot) and those who don't. This doesn't sound like it is addressing the major pain points of the playerbase. Better would be buffing the first 3 milestones of each arena? (If we're thinking about the majority, else it wouldn't really change much for people who don't grind for top 150 for whatever the reason).

    Better would be a different set of content/design/challenges that more people can participate in and not require 3 days windows of non-stop grinding, but at each individual's pace, say over a course of 2 weeks to 2 months, that can also unlock more ways for players to increase their odds for select champs. Similar to dungeons/incursion rewards, but for 6*s? This method of increasing 6*, and specific 6* will also fall in the category of who quality of life, but not sure if Kabam wants specific 6*s to be attained that quickly for playerbase across the board.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    I disagree. Perception is reality and Public Relations firms exist for a reason.

    Kabam may be actively working behind the scenes to try and improve their game, but if they're not engaging with the community, the community is left to wonder what's going on. Over the years, Kabam has given the community too many reasons to not take them at their word:

    -All champions have the same speed and cadence to all their moves
    -Sentinel's L1 has always been incredibly hard to punish
    -Archangel's passive stun is meant to bypass limber and stun immunity

    The list goes on. Either by making erroneous statements or walking back previously made statements, Kabam has made the community skeptical because they have cultivated an image of distrust.

    When a person or a company wants to change their image, they can hire a PR firm/manager to help. The PR firm's job is to make sure community engagement is on-point and on-message so the person/company can slowly adjust their image or public perception.

    Kabam could do this, though they don't have to hire a PR firm. They could simply commit a single person to come to this thread daily. The job would not be to give status updates, but rather to make a post that crystallizes all the concerns brought up that day. Make a list of the concerns and then forward that to the game team. For review. This could happen 5 days per week until the new roadmap is released.

    If a representative from Kabam commented on this thread regularly to engage with the players, could you imagine how much tension that would relieve? One of the main concerns I'm hearing is transparency and the lack thereof from the game team. The roadmap helps, but it pales in comparison to regular community engagement.
    While in general I agree with the sentiment of this, I don't really blame them for being hesitant to say much of anything until there's something concrete and decided on to say. Anytime they say anything and then change something you just get a bunch of "but but but you said..." rabble afterward.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    If they come out and say they're looking at x but don't actually make a major or any change to x, I can only imagine the "constructive feedback" they'd get here
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