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15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread
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Nobody in the alliance has any interest in Wars because they suck. Most are losing interest in the game period.
Kabam better fix this quick before it escalates.
exactly if u want every champ to be used on defense then buff every champ so that every champ is usefull on defense. its only making war easier to get 100% exploration
if there is only a maximum of 110 champs in the game then u would be able to place who ever u wanted after the number of 110 diversity was reached therefore u would have 40 spots available for any duplicates you want
Oh you're right, I completely missed that.
I can't stress enough how horrible defender diversity is. You guys obviously have no intention on listening to the community about this and it's a shame. More and more people quit by the day. I just don't understand the business logic behind not bringing back the old scoring system. You guys must be making a lot less money from AW now. I can't see anyone needing to spend money or units to actually 100% the map anymore. At least with the old scoring system you guys must have made a pretty penny from all the items everyone had to buy.. and to be perfectly honest, I wish AW was back to how it was and i had to spend here and there, i enjoyed it more and it was worth the $$.
As things stand right now, you'll never see 1 unit from me spent on AW.. even if I had to use an item [which 99% of the time I wouldn't have to now]
I'm glad this makes sense to you, because I truly can not see the logic behind it... thank you, once again, for destroying the best part of the game...
R.I.P A.W
we only freak out cause the simple solution is still not here and yet we have another week of unfair wars coming up. send us a 5* crystal and you can have all the time u need kabam
For now, but 2 new champs are added every month. Plus, you really wouldn't. You'd have to place your highest PI champs or lose on defender rating in the war.
Kabam made a killing off of those dudes no wonder they don’t want to change things
1- more fights and more diverse nodes
2- giving us the chance of bringing in more attack champs
Mcoc isn't a god damn card game we dont want to grind or spend for a champ just to place its photo on a map.
We want to fight more with our champs. ur recent update destroyed war in the most unbelivably uncreative way.
I don't know what the god damn heck bringing in portals was for its just made the map messy and annoying.
And no defender kills has literally destroyed strong defense champs and skilled players.
I don't get why u have to take the fun out of the game.
U could have just brought in 1 single good new thing to aw and I could swear people would have been happy even with all the other bad stuff that came with it. But u have not added even a single good thing to aw.
Yup. We were in transition with some departed players and this happens. We play far better and efficient, and lose. Paying attention Kabam? Even our opponents agreed the system sucks and they did not deserve the win. (Tho to say otherwise would have been ridiculous)
25points per defender kill would make a HUGE difference in most wars. Seems pretty simple to me.
That is the spin, the just aren't being upfront with their real motive
Just like I predicted, we lost the war because of defender rating. Thanks Kabam! This is so fun! Change war back please. Bring back defender kills, lower diversity points. It's the only way
@Kabam Miike look please. this is what this new system does. we played perfectly, and we lose because the other alliance is 14m and we are 9m and they have higher rated defenders. This. Is. Not. Fair.
All we ask is that you can really give us a timely notification if the scoring of diversity is going to change. It honestly takes a lot of time to make sure everyone has diversity in my alliance (can't say the same for others). So for example, if you (Kabam) drops the bomb that it is going to change in the next 24 hours, we will scramble to get that update applied to our defense setups. That will not be cool, not at all.
Kabam is many things, but eloquent is not one of them. What Kabam Miike means, or rather the dev principle I think KM is trying to relay to us, is that the developers want defender diversity to be a small effect that is unlikely to cause an alliance that performs much better than the other alliance to lose, but when the war is very close then diversity can swing the balance between two roughly comparable alliances that perform similarly. It is not intended to be literally a tie breaker.
The problem is that the players are not perceiving diversity points that way, they are perceiving them more like a bowling handicap where one side starts off with more points (you can't see that initially, but that's ultimately what is happening) and then if both sides perform identically the other side basically wins by default. Players are seeing that as a victory being stolen if it ever affects the results of the war.
I should mention I don't believe that is an unfair perception.
The idea of useful or not useful is based on how many Kills they got in the old system. Those Champs aren't actually useless. They're not the so-called "Top Tier", named so because of the Kills they amassed. That's part-and-parcel with the need for Diversity to begin with.
While I don't believe you intentionally lied, it was still a lie just the same. Do the right thing here guys, we all know it can be done without pushing out a slew of 4 & 5 star rank down tickets. There has to be a way to target these champs ranked over the last 10 days.
Please stop spamming as it is against the rules. Thx
This is a semantic quibble which I am more than happy to eliminate. The problem people are expressing when they talk about useful or not useful defenders can be expressed in a precise way that unambiguously articulates the problem.
14.0 Alliance War presented a system whereby the decision on which champions to place as defenders was based entirely upon their combat defensive strength, which I define to be how difficult they are for an opposing alliance to defeat when placed on a particular node. This then automatically creates a situation where the opposing alliance must decide which champions to use as attackers based on their offensive combat effectiveness, which I define to be their ability to defeat the likely defenders the attacking player is likely to face on the nodes they are likely to traverse.
In this situation, the choices made by both alliances are focused almost exclusively on the results of individual combat sessions: how well do attackers attack, and how well do defenders defend. Within this arena, the two variables on which alliance will likely gain an advantage are a) how well they chose champions from their respective rosters and b) how effective are the combat skills of the attacking player. Most players would consider this to be a reasonable situation to present to players in an environment intended to be a competition.
15.0 changes those rules in such a way that the situation it presents is anticompetitive: it devalues the skills of the attacking player and also devalues the strategic thinking involved in deciding defensive placement. Our ability to fight a fight and our ability to choose defenders and nodes to place them on are the only two gameplay elements of an Alliance War. Instead, 15.0 creates artificial scoring systems that devalue the capabilities of defenders and devalue the skills of the attacking players.
When players complain that they are being forced to place "less useful" defenders it is not valid to claim that they were only "useful" given the old scoring system, because that's not what players are talking about. They are trying to say that in 14.0 they used to consider the properties of the defender before placing that defender. In 15.0, none of the properties of the defender are being considered. You can buff Luke Cage or nerf Magik, but neither of those things really changes their usefulness as defenders in 15.0 for the most part because their value has nothing to do with *any* of their properties except literally their names.
You are focusing on "kills" as if the scoring system is completely arbitrary and the devs are free to choose any system at all and it is all equally good. But the players aren't complaining that the 15.0 scoring system ALTERS the value of the defensive champions. Except for what gets placed on boss nodes, 15.0 ERASES the value of defensive champions. It literally, and I mean literally doesn't matter what those champions are. Their uniqueness is worth far more than anything the defenders can actually do on defense. THAT's what players are complaining about.
As long as you keep mentioning scoring, I don't think you understand the issue. You think people are complaining that Nightcrawler used to be valuable because he got a lot of kills and now because we don't score kills Nightcrawler is less valuable and Luke Cage is more valuable. You are mistaken. Luke Cage is not more valuable. Except for boss nodes, everything has almost no value. Why are people placing Luke Cage? Is it because of his signature ability? Because of his physical resistance? Because of his animations? Because of anything having to do with the champion at all? Nope. It is because we don't have a defensive placement with that name yet. We are placing Luke Cage because "Luke Cage" is not the same name as "Spider-Gwen." The names are different, so we place him. Exactly one of him.
That erasure, that feeling that literally nothing about the defender matters except its name, is the real source of the complaint. You can talk about scoring, but that complaint is not a scoring complaint. At its heart, it is the result of the scoring changes but not about the scoring changes. It is about being told you as a player have been taken out of the equation. Don't bother thinking about the champions. Don't study them. Don't even look at their property sheets at all. None of that matters. Place one of each. That's all that matters.
No matter how AW is scored, if that property still exists that will still be a problem, completely independent of scoring. Add defender kills, eliminate defender kills, change the scoring in any way you want. If this problem still exists, nothing about scoring matters.