*GW* "Listen, I appreciate the sentiment, but as I said. Sometimes you have to leave well-enough alone." *Also GW the next day* "I'm not stopping anyone."
*GW* "Listen, I appreciate the sentiment, but as I said. Sometimes you have to leave well-enough alone." *Also GW the next day* "I'm not stopping anyone."
Yes, and that's called an opinion. Which means you can agree or disagree. I'm not stopping anyone. I don't have that power. I also never told anyone to stop commenting, or leave the Thread. For someone who is claiming I'm derailing their Thread, you're sure trying to make it about me.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
I mean how dare you ask for details in a competitive game. It's awkward and weird you know! Eeeeww
You mean details about the actions they take on other Accounts? I realize Kabam has made efforts with transparency lately, and that's great, but it's also done in a general sense. The OP was monitoring individual Accounts and expecting answers on that, which is excessive. All this talk about being more advantageous to cheat, and expecting some kind of compensation for this, and demanding Kabam answer for themselves based on investigating Accounts is, for lack of a better word, obscenely awkward.
Yes I mean those very details. Kabam should have a running list of accounts that are banned (even temp banned). I wouldn't want such a person in my alliance. Transparency would be good for the game.
We have evidence they've taken action in removing things. This persistent demand for details is what's awkward.
I mean how dare you ask for details in a competitive game. It's awkward and weird you know! Eeeeww
You mean details about the actions they take on other Accounts? I realize Kabam has made efforts with transparency lately, and that's great, but it's also done in a general sense. The OP was monitoring individual Accounts and expecting answers on that, which is excessive. All this talk about being more advantageous to cheat, and expecting some kind of compensation for this, and demanding Kabam answer for themselves based on investigating Accounts is, for lack of a better word, obscenely awkward.
Yes I mean those very details. Kabam should have a running list of accounts that are banned (even temp banned). I wouldn't want such a person in my alliance. Transparency would be good for the game.
That's not transparency. That's lambasting. I don't share the same view. That would encourage much more negativity than help the situation. Also, you would have to argue with their legal team about that one. Best of luck.
I’m pissed that people could have used these new champs to gain more points in the BG event and jump people who were playing fairly. I’d hate to lose out on higher rank rewards because of this exploit.
I wouldn't get too worried. It's unlikely most of them had enough resources to do anything with the champs.
Sorry to say it but it was crystal opening enough to dup champions so to rank up singularity for starters, then you have the resources you get by precisely dupping, then you have the champions you get from the shards that come precisely from dupping. It is not like there are 1000 characters so far so chances for dupping were pretty sure
Lol legal team.. All riseeee... Presenting to the court the case of Awesome Spidey vs Kabam... 🤣
No. As in they don't have a say if their legal team instructs them not to divulge that kind of information. It isn't just some whim of a moral judgment. They have guidelines to adhere to, and there is very little someone on the Forum can do to change that.
If taking away the champs cannot or will not be done, put all of those accounts into negative shards until they earn them back legitimately. 6*, 7*, all of them.
I was busy today so I’m just getting caught up. Looks like 2 more pages of GW telling us to stop talking about this which means he’s really bumping this thread constantly to make sure we keep talking about it.
Besides that there was an odd post about a support response that didn’t make sense.
Don’t we have photos of an account with the same 7 star as before the “fix”? So did they really end up with the same champ after having it taken away and then having their shards converted to champs? And why even do that?
In another thread about this people are saying they’ve been given generic rankup gems to replace catalysts they spent ranking up champs they got from the bug. If that’s true that’s another big win for exploiting the bug. Generic gems mean more space for catalysts in their inventory and they aren’t bound to what class catalysts they have.
At this point I think it’s fair to ask Kabam to explain what on earth is going on. I’m not demanding, they don’t have to, but I think it’s a more than fair request.
Miike said they’d be taking back all the rewards from exploiting the bug. That hasn’t happened. Now we’re hearing that on top of that they are spending time trying to get these people their BG season rewards that they missed and refunding better rankup materials than they spent on the champs they should not have had. And they got to keep 7* champs they shouldn’t have. And maybe kabam support is telling people they converted people’s shards to champs for them which doesn’t make any sense to me.
Right now it seems like all upside for the exploiters and it keeps getting better for them by the day if everything being posted on here is true. So far Kabam hasn’t disputed any of those claims so I’m left to believe them.
So can we please get some clarification on what the intent was to fix this mess, what’s actually been done, and what’s still being done about this?
I’d like to know if the fix did what it was supposed to do. Whether it did or not, I’d also like to know if there will be any more removal activity or if all the effort now is being spent on refunding these people with upgraded rankup materials and missed BG rewards.
Bugs happen, fixes don’t always work, but clear communication about what’s going on would make me feel better about the situation than I do right now.
Pretty much yeah, first 45 comments are GW once again trying to provoke people to get a negative reaction with insults and get Kabam to close the thread.
Anyways yeah apparently they took their shards away but converted them into actual champs, and they also received generic rank up gems. In other words, yes they did benefit from the exploit, not as much as they would've if they kept everything but they definitely benefited to some extent which doesn't sit well with most of us obviously.
If taking away the champs cannot or will not be done, put all of those accounts into negative shards until they earn them back legitimately. 6*, 7*, all of them.
This actually wouldn't be a bad idea. Unfortunately I doubt they'll do anything considering they've been giving us the silent treatment the whole week but I suppose discussing and tagging them won't hurt anybody.
Lol legal team.. All riseeee... Presenting to the court the case of Awesome Spidey vs Kabam... 🤣
The source of this is probably me. I raised the issue of disclosing account disciplinary actions to alliances several times with Kabam, and in 2018 through an intermediary I was told that the policy of not disclosing that information publicly was a corporate policy decision either originating with or supported by Kabam’s legal team. Their position, expressed to me at the time, was that given the complex and varied nature of privacy and other regulations across all the jurisdictions the game operates within, in their judgment the reasonable safe course of action was to act cautiously and conservatively, and err on the side of protecting such information from public disclosure.
Since then, that basic position has been reiterated to me on multiple occasions over the years, so I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
If taking away the champs cannot or will not be done, put all of those accounts into negative shards until they earn them back legitimately. 6*, 7*, all of them.
I mentioned this to Kabam a while back as an emergency stop gap option if a similar problem occurs in the future. The point though was not that negative shards or gold actually matters, and more so that if the game supported negative balances then all the currency-based rewards could be revoked immediately without worrying about whether any of them had been spent. If the player still had them, they could be revoked in their entirety, but if they spent some of it all the remaining stuff could still be safely removed and the remaining penalty applied as a negative balance, until the account could be hand corrected. We wouldn’t have to worry about penalties being impossible to apply due to player usage.
Looking at how the things are going, i feel like a doofus for not exploiting that bug (i could have, just decided not to). All these "free" 7* champs is a major bs.
GW is obviously an alt Kabam account. Ridiculous really. You made your point. Noted. Got it. Move on. I would just like to hear an Official statement from Kabam. Everything else is just argument. Round and round. Its good to keep things in the public eye but until we hear official word, wtf? One way or another. Just say something. Jeez.
GW is obviously an alt Kabam account. Ridiculous really. You made your point. Noted. Got it. Move on. I would just like to hear an Official statement from Kabam. Everything else is just argument. Round and round. Its good to keep things in the public eye but until we hear official word, wtf? One way or another. Just say something. Jeez.
No, I'm not. Surprisingly you're not the first to make that accusation. They don't have Alts on here, and I'm sure if I worked for them, I'd be more reserved in my opinions. Not every Thread is going to get an official response.
Ban them until the accounts can be sorted, even if it's one at a time.
Roll the accounts back to the day prior to them taking the Mythic Crystals - unban the accounts.
It removes all champions and crystals, removes all progress, removes all secondary/tertiary gains from the crystals and also punishes them in ways that if they've completed content since, got good pulls (even unrelated) etc, that's all undone.
Looking at how the things are going, i feel like a doofus for not exploiting that bug (i could have, just decided not to). All these "free" 7* champs is a major bs.
I know that looks like the logical conclusion here, but you should know that the decision on whether or not to ban players for exploits is always a judgment call that is based on many factors, one of them being the degree to which the activity implies a flagrant disregard for the consequences or the belief that such consequences don't exist.
I personally believe Kabam fumbled on this one, giving the impression that the consequences are insignificant, whether there are extenuating circumstances involved or not. However, if the players actually think that, and Kabam thinks the players think that, that may cause them to act disproportionately harder on the next one. It would not be a good idea to extrapolate from this one.
The players who deliberately exploited this bug took a risk, and sometimes those risks pay off and sometimes they don't. If sometimes the risk pays off by granting a ton of rewards, and sometimes the risk doesn't pay off and they get perma banned, what's the average between the two? If you knew ahead of time that there was a 50% chance you'd get a boat load of 7s, and a 50% chance that your account was done (I'm not saying those were the only two possibilities in this case, just saying by way of example) would you take that risk? How many times?
Kabam has control over what they do, and we have control over what we do. We can't control if and when they mess up, but we can control what we do when they do. I don't feel bad about not exploiting this bug. I made my choice, and I am perfectly fine living with the consequences of that choice. I don't judge my ethical choices based on the result. I judge my ethical choices based on whether or not I made the right choice at the time, regardless of the outcome.
If someone chose to exploit this bug, they deserve whatever happens to them. If someone chose not to, they need to be comfortable with that choice as well.
I remember the days when Kabam actually cared about some "balance" in the game.. I remember them rolling back the servers to 1 day before OVER 1 AWAKENING GEM, those days are gone.. now it pays off to be dishonest...shame They should have banned all Paragons and TB right away.. those were obviously exploiting.. what Paragon or TB would go for 1250 mythic shards... Yeah yeah maybe they wanted to top off which doesnt explain opening multiple of them later.. And then you would have to deal with cavs. This is not a fumble.. its a lazy intended compromise...a balance between Work to fix it and negative outcome...
So some of the rational people have been throwing out to accept this and move on is based on the idea that “Kabam did they best they could with the resources they had to fix this and they aren’t doing any more.”
I don’t agree with that in the first place but for folks in that boat, how do you explain Kabam sending out generic rank up gems to replace the catalysts they used to rank up the champs they lost and/or still working to send them BG season rewards?
It seems like they are actively putting resources towards accommodating and assisting the players that exploited the bug, not cutting their losses and moving on after a less than successful fix attempt.
I’m just at a loss here. In the past, they’ve issued 7 day bans for gaining far, far less from a broken side quest. This time they seem to be rewarding it.
So some of the rational people have been throwing out to accept this and move on is based on the idea that “Kabam did they best they could with the resources they had to fix this and they aren’t doing any more.”
I don’t agree with that in the first place but for folks in that boat, how do you explain Kabam sending out generic rank up gems to replace the catalysts they used to rank up the champs they lost and/or still working to send them BG season rewards?
It seems like they are actively putting resources towards accommodating and assisting the players that exploited the bug, not cutting their losses and moving on after a less than successful fix attempt.
I’m just at a loss here. In the past, they’ve issued 7 day bans for gaining far, far less from a broken side quest. This time they seem to be rewarding it.
That's even more insult to the wound.. get a bunch of items that don't expire...specially to Cav Accounts... I read a lot of people talking about the moral aspect.. how they feel good for not being dishonest even though they are not being rewarded for it.. Why is the moral ground put on the player?... The moral ground should be put on Kabam.. do they feel better after messing up everything for a trustworthy community? Or obviously we are just numbers that only matter on the yearly balance?
I feel bad. I know someone in game who opened some of them and I advised them not to level them up or touch any new champs they got or risk losing shards and rank up materials from what I read on forums.
So some of the rational people have been throwing out to accept this and move on is based on the idea that “Kabam did they best they could with the resources they had to fix this and they aren’t doing any more.”
I don’t agree with that in the first place but for folks in that boat, how do you explain Kabam sending out generic rank up gems to replace the catalysts they used to rank up the champs they lost and/or still working to send them BG season rewards?
It seems like they are actively putting resources towards accommodating and assisting the players that exploited the bug, not cutting their losses and moving on after a less than successful fix attempt.
I’m just at a loss here. In the past, they’ve issued 7 day bans for gaining far, far less from a broken side quest. This time they seem to be rewarding it.
Yeah I don't really know what they were thinking, how can you say you're going to punish people and then reward them after removing some stuff from their accounts? The people who invested resources on the champs they got out of the mythics (whether it was iso, catalysts or even 6* awakening gems) should've lost absolutely everything with no refunds. If they willingly invested on the champs they knew they were going to lose then they deserved to lose every last piece of iso the used on those champs. Now, they essentially borrowed top tier champs to cover content they shouldn't have been able to cover and on top of that get a full refund after the champs get removed. Not to mention the whole We ToOk AwAy SoMe ShArDs AnD CoNvErTeD ThEm iNtO ChAmPs (hence some people got to keep some 6* and even 7*) cause that's just ridiculous, how can a Cav even have enough 7* shards makes no sense.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. This was a situation that was unplanned, but had an extreme effect. This certainly isn't something to bank on as being a good idea. In fact, that's what happens anytime someone exploits something. They take the chance that they can get away with it, at the expense of their Account. This should never be normalized, and it's not a situation to put in our pockets for future use. I wouldn't have much sympathy for anyone who was banned this time, and I equally wouldn't in the future for anyone who decides to try it again. They opted to remove them rather than ban people. We can argue until the cows come home about that being a poor choice, but it's the one they made. They did that to the best of their reasonable ability. When this whole Thread began, I suggested that perfection may not be possible and that there may be some collateral damage. That was the case. It's unfortunate, and some people ended up with a rabbit's foot, but that response is even more rare than the bug that released the Crystals. It should never be considered a strategy for getting Rewards, and if someone is ballsy enough to try it in the future, their consequences will be on them just the same. We all have passionate ideas about fairness, and I don't have time for cheating either, but at the end of the day it's not my call, and it's not anyone else's here. One thing is for certain. If you think Kabam is going to allow people to do it again, you're not aware of the process of learning.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. This was a situation that was unplanned, but had an extreme effect. This certainly isn't something to bank on as being a good idea. In fact, that's what happens anytime someone exploits something. They take the chance that they can get away with it, at the expense of their Account. This should never be normalized, and it's not a situation to put in our pockets for future use. I wouldn't have much sympathy for anyone who was banned this time, and I equally wouldn't in the future for anyone who decides to try it again. They opted to remove them rather than ban people. We can argue until the cows come home about that being a poor choice, but it's the one they made. They did that to the best of their reasonable ability. When this whole Thread began, I suggested that perfection may not be possible and that there may be some collateral damage. That was the case. It's unfortunate, and some people ended up with a rabbit's foot, but that response is even more rare than the bug that released the Crystals. It should never be considered a strategy for getting Rewards, and if someone is ballsy enough to try it in the future, their consequences will be on them just the same. We all have passionate ideas about fairness, and I don't have time for cheating either, but at the end of the day it's not my call, and it's not anyone else's here. One thing is for certain. If you think Kabam is going to allow people to do it again, you're not aware of the process of learning.
What about the efforts to refund them generic gems for the catalysts they used and still get them BG season rewards? That’s not just doing the best they could in a bad situation and moving on. That’s actively working to help the people that exploited this. That’s the part I really don’t understand. How do you rationalize that part?
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"Listen, I appreciate the sentiment, but as I said. Sometimes you have to leave well-enough alone."
*Also GW the next day*
"I'm not stopping anyone."
For someone who is claiming I'm derailing their Thread, you're sure trying to make it about me.
Also, you would have to argue with their legal team about that one. Best of luck.
All riseeee... Presenting to the court the case of Awesome Spidey vs Kabam... 🤣
It is not like there are 1000 characters so far so chances for dupping were pretty sure
Anyways yeah apparently they took their shards away but converted them into actual champs, and they also received generic rank up gems.
In other words, yes they did benefit from the exploit, not as much as they would've if they kept everything but they definitely benefited to some extent which doesn't sit well with most of us obviously.
Since then, that basic position has been reiterated to me on multiple occasions over the years, so I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
Not every Thread is going to get an official response.
Roll the accounts back to the day prior to them taking the Mythic Crystals - unban the accounts.
It removes all champions and crystals, removes all progress, removes all secondary/tertiary gains from the crystals and also punishes them in ways that if they've completed content since, got good pulls (even unrelated) etc, that's all undone.
I personally believe Kabam fumbled on this one, giving the impression that the consequences are insignificant, whether there are extenuating circumstances involved or not. However, if the players actually think that, and Kabam thinks the players think that, that may cause them to act disproportionately harder on the next one. It would not be a good idea to extrapolate from this one.
The players who deliberately exploited this bug took a risk, and sometimes those risks pay off and sometimes they don't. If sometimes the risk pays off by granting a ton of rewards, and sometimes the risk doesn't pay off and they get perma banned, what's the average between the two? If you knew ahead of time that there was a 50% chance you'd get a boat load of 7s, and a 50% chance that your account was done (I'm not saying those were the only two possibilities in this case, just saying by way of example) would you take that risk? How many times?
Kabam has control over what they do, and we have control over what we do. We can't control if and when they mess up, but we can control what we do when they do. I don't feel bad about not exploiting this bug. I made my choice, and I am perfectly fine living with the consequences of that choice. I don't judge my ethical choices based on the result. I judge my ethical choices based on whether or not I made the right choice at the time, regardless of the outcome.
If someone chose to exploit this bug, they deserve whatever happens to them. If someone chose not to, they need to be comfortable with that choice as well.
They should have banned all Paragons and TB right away.. those were obviously exploiting.. what Paragon or TB would go for 1250 mythic shards... Yeah yeah maybe they wanted to top off which doesnt explain opening multiple of them later..
And then you would have to deal with cavs. This is not a fumble.. its a lazy intended compromise...a balance between Work to fix it and negative outcome...
I don’t agree with that in the first place but for folks in that boat, how do you explain Kabam sending out generic rank up gems to replace the catalysts they used to rank up the champs they lost and/or still working to send them BG season rewards?
It seems like they are actively putting resources towards accommodating and assisting the players that exploited the bug, not cutting their losses and moving on after a less than successful fix attempt.
I’m just at a loss here. In the past, they’ve issued 7 day bans for gaining far, far less from a broken side quest. This time they seem to be rewarding it.
I read a lot of people talking about the moral aspect.. how they feel good for not being dishonest even though they are not being rewarded for it..
Why is the moral ground put on the player?...
The moral ground should be put on Kabam.. do they feel better after messing up everything for a trustworthy community? Or obviously we are just numbers that only matter on the yearly balance?
I hope they didn't listen to me...
The people who invested resources on the champs they got out of the mythics (whether it was iso, catalysts or even 6* awakening gems) should've lost absolutely everything with no refunds. If they willingly invested on the champs they knew they were going to lose then they deserved to lose every last piece of iso the used on those champs. Now, they essentially borrowed top tier champs to cover content they shouldn't have been able to cover and on top of that get a full refund after the champs get removed.
Not to mention the whole We ToOk AwAy SoMe ShArDs AnD CoNvErTeD ThEm iNtO ChAmPs (hence some people got to keep some 6* and even 7*) cause that's just ridiculous, how can a Cav even have enough 7* shards makes no sense.
In fact, that's what happens anytime someone exploits something. They take the chance that they can get away with it, at the expense of their Account.
This should never be normalized, and it's not a situation to put in our pockets for future use. I wouldn't have much sympathy for anyone who was banned this time, and I equally wouldn't in the future for anyone who decides to try it again.
They opted to remove them rather than ban people. We can argue until the cows come home about that being a poor choice, but it's the one they made. They did that to the best of their reasonable ability.
When this whole Thread began, I suggested that perfection may not be possible and that there may be some collateral damage. That was the case. It's unfortunate, and some people ended up with a rabbit's foot, but that response is even more rare than the bug that released the Crystals. It should never be considered a strategy for getting Rewards, and if someone is ballsy enough to try it in the future, their consequences will be on them just the same.
We all have passionate ideas about fairness, and I don't have time for cheating either, but at the end of the day it's not my call, and it's not anyone else's here. One thing is for certain. If you think Kabam is going to allow people to do it again, you're not aware of the process of learning.