But you do not deserve the items either. The only possible options are bans for cheaters and rolling back the items to make it fair (just like they often did after such accidents).
This is their policy to handle gamebreaking exploits, not giving away even more big stuff to destroy game economy even further:
A small number of Players who received twice the Rewards for Gauntlet isn't nearly as game breaking as that was. The Rewards from that were exponential.
Game breaking or not, it's still exploiting a bug that gave those who did that, meaningful meta rewards. Whether Kabam needs to strip off the additional rewards, or distribute the additional rewards to any Paragon player that didn't exploited the bug. That's the fair thing to do. No bans or bs like this, but justice needs to be done. Else this signals the community to exploit any bug they come across, in order to not miss out on extra rewards.
Again, way to assume this is an exploit. It’s easy points for EQ completion and hero use.
Again, you are beating a dead drum. This post is about rewards being given out to certain summoners through the paragon gauntlet for an additional run (3k 7* shards, T6 basic, T3 alpha and so on). Not about completing objectives using the gauntlet.
@Kabam Miike From my experience I noticed the paragon gauntlet for the month of an October a few hours after it was re enabled. It had 2 days left and I had access without restriction. I played it twice and got no rewards so, I was thinking that it’s unlocked but the rewards are not being given out, so people are unable to double dip. But turns out people who have done it an hour or two before the October gauntlet expired got the rewards again. Prof Hoff even has a video on his YouTube if someone wants to check out. I played it twice got no rewards while people who did it in the last hour clearly got rewards. I think Kabam should give out compensations.
Unless I’m misunderstanding the issue, players got double Paragon Gauntlet rewards, primarily due to an error in game code that allowed players to enter without exploring EQ. I don’t watch Hoff, but I will assume his video is accurate.
This possible exploit was brought up specifically early last month by several players on forums (@Cat_Murdock being one if I recall correctly).
While I wouldn’t consider a handful of players (but who knows how many?) getting extra rewards game-breaking, the prizes are undoubtedly very useful to high-level Summoners and the team knew very well this was a potential issue and a concern for players.
If it wasn’t fixed, the prizes should be made available to everyone who explored last month’s Gauntlet (excluding double-dippers). Or they should be removed from the double-dippers. Pretty simple.
I don’t think it is an issue of compensation because you didn’t lose anything or use items you didn’t need to. Kabam should handle exploiters by removing ill-gained items.
I don’t think it is an issue of compensation because you didn’t lose anything or use items you didn’t need to. Kabam should handle exploiters by removing ill-gained items.
I’m fine with that as well whatever is less time consuming for kabam as there are many more bugs and glitches which hinder the functioning of game that hold priority. Plus if I’m being honest there is also a selfish thought of getting compensation and getting resources. But whatever is deemed fair by the community and game, just a handful should not be benefiting from a glitch or bug.
Bunch of whiny babies. I ran that quest over a dozen times over the month. Whether or not I got double rewards is a bug.
Whining for compensation for every bug is ridiculous.
You got to be a troll at this point lmfao, because aint no way you are missing the point even though so many people are trying to educate on the fact that this isnt "just any other bug". The rewards are highly useful for end level summoners. And if you so feel that it isnt worth it to invest so much time to talk about, you are free to not participate in this discussion. Simple as that.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I don’t think it is an issue of compensation because you didn’t lose anything or use items you didn’t need to. Kabam should handle exploiters by removing ill-gained items.
Bigger issue for me is that this was brought up multiple times as a concern at the start of last month’s EQ. Failure to fix and prevent double-dipping just seems lazy on the game team’s part.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I’m fine if they give everyone who didn’t double-dip the Paragon Gauntlet last month the chance to double-dip this month. Let me earn restitution.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I’m fine if they give everyone who didn’t double-dip the Paragon Gauntlet last month the chance to double-dip this month. Let me earn restitution.
Dr. Zola
I think you mean to say "redress". You want this to be remedied and set right.
Restitution would be coming from the players who benefitted from this, not Kabam. You haven't suffered any losses due to "the crimes" of these players who exploited the issue. They didn't wrong you. Kabam didn't wrong you.
You feel as though you're owed something. You feel as though Kabam should "set this right" for you because they failed to correct an issue that previously occurred. But that's not restitution.
I don’t think it is an issue of compensation because you didn’t lose anything or use items you didn’t need to. Kabam should handle exploiters by removing ill-gained items.
Historically, it seems like it is harder for them to remove items then it is to compensate. You get catalysts, you do a rank up. Get shards open a crystal, do level and rank ups and possibly duped shards. Rolling all that back is pretty tough.
Seems easier to just give those that completed gauntlet at least once a second set of rewards (comp package). This automatically meets the pre-requisites of the player already having 100% EQ and has the capability to complete gauntlet. It is reasonable to assume they could have completed it again if they knew it was an option.
I'm not saying reverting back to "as if it never happened" isn't the best outcome, just that the path of least resistance might be a compensation package.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I’m fine if they give everyone who didn’t double-dip the Paragon Gauntlet last month the chance to double-dip this month. Let me earn restitution.
Dr. Zola
Agreed. They should just open up the gauntlet entry for people who think they can run it over once more for the rewards.
Bunch of whiny babies. I ran that quest over a dozen times over the month. Whether or not I got double rewards is a bug.
Whining for compensation for every bug is ridiculous.
I don't want compensation, I want your rewards taken away
Have a nice day.
Who said I got double rewards? I'm saying that all bugs do not deserve compensation. Odds are people who run it twice would get it too and you'd be back whining about that.
Since basically the same discussion has been spawned in multiple threads, I've seen it mentioned a few times that, it's not a big deal, not like it's game breaking, the rewards can be acquired elsewhere or through other means.
While that is true, the amount BGs or the Sector 6 room25 incursion run to acquire comparable rewards is way harder and way more time consuming than 6 fights most players with a decent roster can likely solo.
Bunch of whiny babies. I ran that quest over a dozen times over the month. Whether or not I got double rewards is a bug.
Whining for compensation for every bug is ridiculous.
I don't want compensation, I want your rewards taken away
Have a nice day.
Who said I got double rewards? I'm saying that all bugs do not deserve compensation. Odds are people who run it twice would get it too and you'd be back whining about that.
You clearly dont know how compensations work. Not just that, your anger issues seriously needs help. People who exploited the hades rift path bugs didnt get the extra set of keys for the entry gates in the quest. It's kinda stupid to think Kabam won't know who ran the gauntlet once and who ran it more times than intended.
Since basically the same discussion has been spawned in multiple threads, I've seen it mentioned a few times that, it's not a big deal, not like it's game breaking, the rewards can be acquired elsewhere or through other means.
While that is true, the amount BGs or the Sector 6 room25 incursion run to acquire comparable rewards is way harder and way more time consuming than 6 fights most players with a decent roster can likely solo.
Like I already mentioned, the 7* shards, T6 basic and T3 alphas are kinda hard to come by for the newer paragons. Asking for atleast an additional run to earn these rewards do seem reasonable at the least.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I’m fine if they give everyone who didn’t double-dip the Paragon Gauntlet last month the chance to double-dip this month. Let me earn restitution.
Dr. Zola
I think you mean to say "redress". You want this to be remedied and set right.
Restitution would be coming from the players who benefitted from this, not Kabam. You haven't suffered any losses due to "the crimes" of these players who exploited the issue. They didn't wrong you. Kabam didn't wrong you.
You feel as though you're owed something. You feel as though Kabam should "set this right" for you because they failed to correct an issue that previously occurred. But that's not restitution.
Nicely done and correct. Redress is an accurate term here, and covers the act of “positively” setting something right. Restitution, on the other hand, refers to the notion of returning things to their original state—a “negative” if you will.
Either way, I dislike the use of the term “compensation” which doesn’t seem to capture the nature or nuance of things like this situation.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't want compensation for something unless it actually impacts me.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
I agree. It was nice to get something extra, but the idea of Rewards for following the rules feels off. Not to mention the precedent it sets.
The only reason a compensation is being asked for, is due to the fact that how unfair it would be to issue bans like they did for hades rift bug in which some of the summoners genuinely had no idea that it was in fact a glitch from kabam's end.
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Whether Kabam needs to strip off the additional rewards, or distribute the additional rewards to any Paragon player that didn't exploited the bug.
That's the fair thing to do.
No bans or bs like this, but justice needs to be done.
Else this signals the community to exploit any bug they come across, in order to not miss out on extra rewards.
The Mythic bug happened, and the rewards were (mostly) taken away and bans were issued. Fair enough.
The Rift bug happened, and those who didn't exploit were given what they missed out on. Again, fair.
If people gained pretty considerable rewards through a bug this month and Kabam just says oh well, what kind of message does that send?
You might as well risk it and roll the dice with every exploit, or risk missing out.
You are being brilliant at missing the entire point of this thread - people getting more rewards than Kabam intended.
It has nothing to do with getting event points, which you can get anywhere in any event quest even if it already completed.
I played it twice and got no rewards so, I was thinking that it’s unlocked but the rewards are not being given out, so people are unable to double dip.
But turns out people who have done it an hour or two before the October gauntlet expired got the rewards again. Prof Hoff even has a video on his YouTube if someone wants to check out. I played it twice got no rewards while people who did it in the last hour clearly got rewards.
I think Kabam should give out compensations.
Whining for compensation for every bug is ridiculous.
This possible exploit was brought up specifically early last month by several players on forums (@Cat_Murdock being one if I recall correctly).
While I wouldn’t consider a handful of players (but who knows how many?) getting extra rewards game-breaking, the prizes are undoubtedly very useful to high-level Summoners and the team knew very well this was a potential issue and a concern for players.
If it wasn’t fixed, the prizes should be made available to everyone who explored last month’s Gauntlet (excluding double-dippers). Or they should be removed from the double-dippers. Pretty simple.
Dr. Zola
Plus if I’m being honest there is also a selfish thought of getting compensation and getting resources. But whatever is deemed fair by the community and game, just a handful should not be benefiting from a glitch or bug.
The response to the rifts, I thought was nice and I can sort of see why it was given out but I felt it was ultimately unnecessary. Someone going through the rift and selecting what reward they wanted didn't really impact me any more than someone randomly being sent to the awakening gem path 4 times - which actually happened to a person in my previous alliance.
This, I won't say it's nothing but I'm not going to cry out for compensation. I'm not really being impacted by it. It's not exponential, it's also limited is it not? It's just granting early access or granting access to people who might not otherwise be eligible. But it also still requires them to complete the content correct.
Meh.
Again though, I'm in a minority - if not just completely alone. The hour of the Mythic crystal incident happened I advocated for Kabam to just do a rolling reset as it was the cleanest way to take care of it without missing anything. Certainly didn't want compensation for that.
Dr. Zola
Dr. Zola
Have a nice day.
Restitution would be coming from the players who benefitted from this, not Kabam. You haven't suffered any losses due to "the crimes" of these players who exploited the issue. They didn't wrong you. Kabam didn't wrong you.
You feel as though you're owed something. You feel as though Kabam should "set this right" for you because they failed to correct an issue that previously occurred. But that's not restitution.
Seems easier to just give those that completed gauntlet at least once a second set of rewards (comp package). This automatically meets the pre-requisites of the player already having 100% EQ and has the capability to complete gauntlet. It is reasonable to assume they could have completed it again if they knew it was an option.
I'm not saying reverting back to "as if it never happened" isn't the best outcome, just that the path of least resistance might be a compensation package.
While that is true, the amount BGs or the Sector 6 room25 incursion run to acquire comparable rewards is way harder and way more time consuming than 6 fights most players with a decent roster can likely solo.
Either way, I dislike the use of the term “compensation” which doesn’t seem to capture the nature or nuance of things like this situation.
Dr. Zola
The only reason a compensation is being asked for, is due to the fact that how unfair it would be to issue bans like they did for hades rift bug in which some of the summoners genuinely had no idea that it was in fact a glitch from kabam's end.