AI isn't just reacting fast. AI is actually moving faster too. Faced a Bullseye in Battlegrounds last night that I couldn't do anything against because he was moving like he was Quicksilver. I usually take him down with some or lot chip damage or die trying but this was a quick fight. I barely did any damage to him. I didn't have the volume up but pretty sure he was singing "Can't touch this!"
The opponent dash speed is also very high at times. The larger opponents are clipping my dash backs almost everytime. They catch up to my dash back before I can light intercept or block and it has been happening frequently now. I am experiencing this against Onslaughts, Maestros and Things mostly.
Ai response time across the board is not good, as in incredibly overtuned.
AI intercepting (all forms) AI recovery from being hit with specials and getting up before we finish animations ( I posted 4-5 videos about this) Ai recovery time from their specials animations (we can’t punish)
What boggles the mind is that this can be unintentional. I would assume there are actual variables that control these things. I can’t imagine this is some random variable that no one can find to tune down.
Has anyone noticed that the AI can stitch together medium, light combos incredibly fast at times? Not always but some of their intercepts I find myself thinking that isn’t normal. After playing pretty heavily for two years I think I have memorized the pace in which we can throw MLLM. There are moments with the AI where I think, no way can I do that.
Ok firstly I thought because both me and my iphone are getting older but after watching Beroman stream for half hour, I realize that even the best BG player now getting punish frequently either by _ AI backdraft intercept professionally like Dorky Dave video’s tutorial _ AI wait for your dash in to light intercept _ AI skipping frame rate during their heavy attack or special _ AI holding special until power sting debuff on them gone _ AI parry and whiff crazily
I may miss something. Well…
That holding power when inflicted with power sting , I faced it lot.....
What boggles the mind is that this can be unintentional. I would assume there are actual variables that control these things. I can’t imagine this is some random variable that no one can find to tune down.
This is actually very common for long-lived codebases. It's called "tech debt". I'm quite confident that it's not intentional.
There probably isn't a single variable to "tune down". Instead, these behavioral changes are probably caused by unexpected interactions between old AI code and newer game code that the old AI wasn't designed for.
At this point IDC. You can ban me all you want. This AI and all modes are FUBAR. Ive never played a game that its developer is so ignorant to all these issues and fails to deliver its dam product. Is too much BS. Stop spending money on these fools!
Hey all, I see your post. Let me get this in front of the game team as I know they're also investigating similar reports.
You and everyone know this has been an ongoing issue. Some spend more money than others, so why theres no plan at least? How much or many receipts Kabam needs? As a company, how is this good marketing? Customer svc? Transparent?
Has anyone noticed that the AI can stitch together medium, light combos incredibly fast at times? Not always but some of their intercepts I find myself thinking that isn’t normal. After playing pretty heavily for two years I think I have memorized the pace in which we can throw MLLM. There are moments with the AI where I think, no way can I do that.
Yep, that’s the I know I dexed the follow up attacks but I still get clipped anyways special.
I hope some kabams peeps acknowledge this nonsense interaction that happens with Aegon or Kingpin. Enemies can somehow hit us while unstoppable and dash back to avoid getting hit . It sure seems like it’s related to the crazy AI issues everyone’s been talking about. This flat out shouldn’t happen. This is from today in AQ
If Kabam mods are reading all our posts , is there a reason why this video was ignored (again)? Is this AI related or something else? When will it be acknowledged and fixed? It was reported 1/2 a year ago now !!
For all the talk about better communication, it’s still the same as it’s been for the last few years
Report bug Be ignored Bug persists Report bug Report ignored Repeat the cycle
Honestly the ai is feels like it’s in such a bad place. I don’t what the hell to do in fights anymore. The actions I intuitively take that used to come off now end up with me getting side stepped, parried, countered, generally just taking damage. So now I’m second guessing everything, when to attack when not to attack. The defender just stands in turtle mode, you have to do something but the super reaction time ultimately ends up with me taking damage. I’ve gotten my 5k of points in BG and I’m now done. The game at the point in time is feels fundamentally broken and I actively dislike playing it at the moment. I appreciate there maybe ideas/plans/projects to fix this issue but given the vagueness around the fix I can’t see this being resolved in the next 0-3 months. So this is the frustration of continuing to play a game that’s broken and leading to wasting elders marks, revives, health pots to clear content.
What boggles the mind is that this can be unintentional. I would assume there are actual variables that control these things. I can’t imagine this is some random variable that no one can find to tune down.
This is actually very common for long-lived codebases. It's called "tech debt". I'm quite confident that it's not intentional.
There probably isn't a single variable to "tune down". Instead, these behavioral changes are probably caused by unexpected interactions between old AI code and newer game code that the old AI wasn't designed for.
I was thinking that it might have something to do with the coding.
I hope some kabams peeps acknowledge this nonsense interaction that happens with Aegon or Kingpin. Enemies can somehow hit us while unstoppable and dash back to avoid getting hit . It sure seems like it’s related to the crazy AI issues everyone’s been talking about. This flat out shouldn’t happen. This is from today in AQ
If Kabam mods are reading all our posts , is there a reason why this video was ignored (again)? Is this AI related or something else? When will it be acknowledged and fixed? It was reported 1/2 a year ago now !!
For all the talk about better communication, it’s still the same as it’s been for the last few years
Report bug Be ignored Bug persists Report bug Report ignored Repeat the cycle
Today's frustration seems to be hyperspeed defender interactions. It's tough to describe though without fail the defender is able to parry and/or intercept with animation speed about double my attempts at dexing. It's just not playable for me.
They continue to treat the playerbase like this because the playerbase continues to play, and many still pay. We do so because we're hooked to the game - even though they keep hypercharging the AI to mess with our gameplay, we get our wins/rewards here and there, and that keeps us interested.
Play if you like but stop paying them. They take our time and money and then mess with us. So treat them the same way. Play their game but don't spend money. They'll either shut down or they (and the AI) will start behaving. And I'm good with either.
They continue to treat the playerbase like this because the playerbase continues to play, and many still pay. We do so because we're hooked to the game - even though they keep hypercharging the AI to mess with our gameplay, we get our wins/rewards here and there, and that keeps us interested.
Play if you like but stop paying them. They take our time and money and then mess with us. So treat them the same way. Play their game but don't spend money. They'll either shut down or they (and the AI) will start behaving. And I'm good with either.
You're right. The player base plays because it loves this game. It has created a strong bond with this game over the years. I am not a big spender on this game. I only spend once in a while where it felt the return on investment was worthy enough and even that is bloated created sense of value considering we don't actually get anything. It is all "game economy" which heavily runs on FOMO or some form of it. Because even if someone counters the FOMO argument with "you don't have to do it," there is still a fear of being left behind. The gap becomes a chasm really fast and I learned that during last year's July 4th offers which propelled those that bought the deals way ahead of everyone who didn't or didn't fully go out.
The sales, deals and offers are getting ridiculous by the day. Where you could buy all the major units sales offers for 15k units at a time plus 3k for the bonus has now become 36k. This basically means you either grind the heck out of arena and the game (i.e. put all your time in it) or you spend. Someone will counter with yeah but Kabam is generous enough to give you 390 units for free in double tracks! Are you really telling me 390 units is the same as 18k units? PLEASE!
The greed doesn't just stop there. Look at the offers right now. $500 for a 7 star. Wow! People will buy it and these offers will keep coming. Fine keep the game running. Bring out these offers. But can you use that money towards fixing the game at least?
I read somewhere someone put a comparison of what you can buy with $500. Let me tell you the return on investment doesn't come close at all!
Also I wish Kabam stopped with locking entries (entries available for the full month to each week to now lock by day; what's next? By hour?), spreading events across the whole month, etc. I want to play at my pace. Not be dictated how to play. This is supposed to be a pass time. Not life. Everyone has their priorities in life. But if I don't play at the dictated pace, I will be left behind
I'm not spending on this game anymore. I will play it but only because of the past 9 years that I have put into a game that I love.
They continue to treat the playerbase like this because the playerbase continues to play, and many still pay. We do so because we're hooked to the game - even though they keep hypercharging the AI to mess with our gameplay, we get our wins/rewards here and there, and that keeps us interested.
Play if you like but stop paying them. They take our time and money and then mess with us. So treat them the same way. Play their game but don't spend money. They'll either shut down or they (and the AI) will start behaving. And I'm good with either.
They have top men looking at these issues. TOP...MEN!
I just had the A.I. throw a special halfway through my combo.
In the middle of your heavy is the worst. Not even like in between hits…but like quite literally as the second hit is already registering and making contact
What a way to celebrate 10 Years anniversary and leading up to 2 biggest spending events of the year.
So far:-
Bad decision making with not rebalancing, IH, NTW and Serpent, while nerfing Kingpin.
Raid is a mess, one bugs after another, then a mess with compensation, then more mess on compensation, then more mess with IW (with no compensation). Just a team full of competent hey.
AI that make players players want to throw their phone through the windows. Sure, sure we are fixing it, sure it will take a long time because it is really hard, but im the meantime, why don't you enjoy the suffering players, a thank you for being patient package? naahhh.
BG celebration turn into grinding for your soul (even after re-tuning point system and intervention) and would make quite a few players quite the game mode for good. Great design Kabam team, good job.
But hey offer to buy champs seem to have no problem popping up. Spend time recruiting new players, sure they going to stick around with the current state of the same.
What a way to celebrate 10 years of the game.
Thanks goodness the nightmare have ended at least for this BG "celebration" anyway.
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It feels like every patch the AI gets to skip more and more frames for everything they do.
Multiple times in AW ive knocked a defender down with a special only for them to punch me as they’re mid animation standing up and before I can block.
AI intercepting (all forms)
AI recovery from being hit with specials and getting up before we finish animations ( I posted 4-5 videos about this)
Ai recovery time from their specials animations (we can’t punish)
I have 750 points left in BG and I’m dreading it
There probably isn't a single variable to "tune down". Instead, these behavioral changes are probably caused by unexpected interactions between old AI code and newer game code that the old AI wasn't designed for.
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For all the talk about better communication, it’s still the same as it’s been for the last few years
Report bug
Be ignored
Bug persists
Report bug
Report ignored
Repeat the cycle
Play if you like but stop paying them. They take our time and money and then mess with us. So treat them the same way. Play their game but don't spend money. They'll either shut down or they (and the AI) will start behaving. And I'm good with either.
The sales, deals and offers are getting ridiculous by the day. Where you could buy all the major units sales offers for 15k units at a time plus 3k for the bonus has now become 36k. This basically means you either grind the heck out of arena and the game (i.e. put all your time in it) or you spend. Someone will counter with yeah but Kabam is generous enough to give you 390 units for free in double tracks! Are you really telling me 390 units is the same as 18k units? PLEASE!
The greed doesn't just stop there. Look at the offers right now. $500 for a 7 star. Wow! People will buy it and these offers will keep coming. Fine keep the game running. Bring out these offers. But can you use that money towards fixing the game at least?
I read somewhere someone put a comparison of what you can buy with $500. Let me tell you the return on investment doesn't come close at all!
Also I wish Kabam stopped with locking entries (entries available for the full month to each week to now lock by day; what's next? By hour?), spreading events across the whole month, etc. I want to play at my pace. Not be dictated how to play. This is supposed to be a pass time. Not life. Everyone has their priorities in life. But if I don't play at the dictated pace, I will be left behind
I'm not spending on this game anymore. I will play it but only because of the past 9 years that I have put into a game that I love.
https://trello.com/b/nRszBz9Q
So far:-
Bad decision making with not rebalancing, IH, NTW and Serpent, while nerfing Kingpin.
Raid is a mess, one bugs after another, then a mess with compensation, then more mess on compensation, then more mess with IW (with no compensation). Just a team full of competent hey.
AI that make players players want to throw their phone through the windows. Sure, sure we are fixing it, sure it will take a long time because it is really hard, but im the meantime, why don't you enjoy the suffering players, a thank you for being patient package? naahhh.
BG celebration turn into grinding for your soul (even after re-tuning point system and intervention) and would make quite a few players quite the game mode for good. Great design Kabam team, good job.
But hey offer to buy champs seem to have no problem popping up. Spend time recruiting new players, sure they going to stick around with the current state of the same.
What a way to celebrate 10 years of the game.
Thanks goodness the nightmare have ended at least for this BG "celebration" anyway.