Do you think Immortal Hulk needs a tune-up?

Rookiie

We've seen and learned three things (flaws) from his gameplay videos:

1) His Rage stacks will be difficult to keep up
2) His Immortality can be bypassed with AAR
3) He lacks in utility

The purpose of this poll is to address the first point only, but feel free to leave your thoughts below.

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Niceeee

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

TheInfinty

Yes

I think the only ones he needs changed are 1 and 3 2 is a pretty decent counter to him

SpideyFunko

mate it’s tooo early

Kill_Grey

Hasn't been 3 months, bro.

Rookiie

Yes

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?
This isn't an unreasonable ask by the way, and it's pretty obvious from the gameplay videos that keeping his rage stacks up is going to be really difficult, especially if the AI is passive.
And better it's done in the early stages rather than later if you ask me.

Rockypantherx

Yes

It’s too early to totally say, but from what I’ve seen, he just needs his practicality increased. 1.5s is just too short. Jesus, even Black Panther’s special 1 was too long. It just seems completely unviable right now.

We’ll need to see though

Rookiie

Yes

Rockypantherx said:

It’s too early to totally say, but from what I’ve seen, he just needs his practicality increased. 1.5s is just too short. Jesus, even Black Panther’s special 1 was too long. It just seems completely unviable right now.

We’ll need to see though

This is exactly what I want the poll to focus on, that short window in which you need to hit the opponent before the Rage stacks expire.

Niceeee

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

H3t3r

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

You're right. Only 10 champs can be in the top 10.

Rookiie

Yes

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

Mate, I don't think he needs to be in the top 10. And I never said that. Just watching Seatin struggle to maintain his Rage stacks made me wince. It doesn't even pause during the opponent's specials. That's SO wrong! The two second window is too short and you end up losing them all. My complaint is with the rotation only. I would rather have Kabam tune down the additional burst damage if it meant I could keep up the rage stacks for longer (better DPS).

Niceeee

H3t3r said:

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

You're right. Only 10 champs can be in the top 10.

I can't argue with that lol.
I mean that not every new champ has to be in the top 'tier' (I hate this word)

Niceeee

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

Mate, I don't think he needs to be in the top 10. And I never said that. Just watching Seatin

Oh, ok... This explains a lot.
I am not gonna waste anymore of my time

Rookiie

Yes

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

Rookiie said:

Niceeee said:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You don't even have immortal hulk to test him out

Damn serious. Cosmic Ghost Rider was nerfed before release. Gambit was nerfed before release. Why can't he be buffed?

Not all new champs have to be in the top 10

Mate, I don't think he needs to be in the top 10. And I never said that. Just watching Seatin

Oh, ok...
I am not gonna waste anymore of my time

By all means. Thanks for contributing.

Edit: Oh, I see. Forget the content creator I'm just focusing on the gameplay.

Rookiie

Yes

BG's live stream if anyone is interested
https://youtu.be/UjN3nffMvDs

Snizzbar

Yes

I haven't played the champ, haven't even seen any gameplay vids, but I am still 100% in favour of a tuneup.
Because why not?

Rookiie

Yes

Snizzbar said:

I haven't played the champ, haven't even seen any gameplay vids, but I am still 100% in favour of a tuneup.
Because why not?

Tune into the stream, it's really interesting.
Watching BG trying to keep Hulk from getting KO'd when Immortality was on cooldown was an eye opener. Stun Immune & Unstoppable mechanics not looking too good for this guy.

GroundedWisdom

No

Good Lord, he's barely in the game yet.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Tune-down, maybe

Rookiie

Yes

Not trying to be entitled, just concerned with his practicality.
Watching BG's stream intently hoping to be proven wrong ..

Rookiie

Yes

Guys guys calm down. Nobody is trying to be like anybody.
I'm just critiquing the champion's design. Sometimes it's not hard to spot whether the champion has serious flaws or not.
On the one hand we're told that this champion has a very aggressive playstyle, but you could comfortably get down to 1% with at least 15 seconds left on the Immortality cooldown timer.
The solution to avoiding that situation? Play around it. So on the one hand we're told to play aggressively but for a very large part we might have to play conservatively as well.
I commend Kabam for trying something new, they just need to fix the numbers a little bit.
Or maybe he's not built at all for long fights. All tests I've seen are in ROL. But that's not a good sign either.

Masterpuff

No

Rookiie said:

Guys guys calm down. Nobody is trying to be like anybody.
I'm just critiquing the champion's design. Sometimes it's not hard to spot whether the champion has serious flaws or not.
On the one hand we're told that this champion has a very aggressive playstyle, but you could comfortably get down to 1% with at least 15 seconds on the Immortality cooldown timer. The solution? Play around it. So on the one hand we're told to play aggressively but for a very large part we'll have to play conservatively as well.
I commend Kabam for trying something new, they just need to fix the numbers a little bit.
Or maybe he's not built at all for long fights. All tests I've seen are in ROL. But that's not a good sign either.

In my opinion it’s really hard to judge a champ based off only what other people show me.

(And this post reminded me of some great ones like Apocalypse is a dud, CGR new best cosmic , domino lame etc etc.)

Rookiie

Yes

Masterpuff said:

Rookiie said:

Guys guys calm down. Nobody is trying to be like anybody.
I'm just critiquing the champion's design. Sometimes it's not hard to spot whether the champion has serious flaws or not.
On the one hand we're told that this champion has a very aggressive playstyle, but you could comfortably get down to 1% with at least 15 seconds on the Immortality cooldown timer. The solution? Play around it. So on the one hand we're told to play aggressively but for a very large part we'll have to play conservatively as well.
I commend Kabam for trying something new, they just need to fix the numbers a little bit.
Or maybe he's not built at all for long fights. All tests I've seen are in ROL. But that's not a good sign either.

In my opinion it’s really hard to judge a champ based off only what other people show me.

(And this post reminded me of some great ones like Apocalypse is a dud, CGR new best cosmic , domino lame etc etc.)

I can see that. But the purpose of this post isn't to garner attention or make wild proclamations. It's meant to point out a glaring flaw in the hopes that Kabam can make this champion viable, practical and useful. Unless that wasn't the intent, because Hulk after all is crazy & unpredictable.

Crcrcrc

No

He seems better than a lot of champs that need a tune up.

Rookiie

Yes

Crcrcrc said:

He seems better than a lot of champs that need a tune up.

CGR & Gambit both had nerfs right before their release dates. Sometimes, it's good to strike while the iron is hot.

Bear in mind, there will be rebalances in the future that will tune down champions.

Let's not get stuck with the idea that nerfs can only happen immediately while buffs can only happen after 2 years.

Artoria77

No

What I think my fellow mate @Rookiie means is that Immortal hulks window of keeping the RAGE stacks while not attacking is very short. We all know how the AI is in later content and how a majority of the time it doesn't work in your favour.

You don't need a degree in rocket science to know that an aggressive playstyle plus an uncooperative AI don't make a good match.

Chikel

No

Rookiie said:

Guys guys calm down. Nobody is trying to be like anybody.
I'm just critiquing the champion's design. Sometimes it's not hard to spot whether the champion has serious flaws or not.
On the one hand we're told that this champion has a very aggressive playstyle, but you could comfortably get down to 1% with at least 15 seconds left on the Immortality cooldown timer.
The solution to avoiding that situation? Play around it. So on the one hand we're told to play aggressively but for a very large part we might have to play conservatively as well.
I commend Kabam for trying something new, they just need to fix the numbers a little bit.
Or maybe he's not built at all for long fights. All tests I've seen are in ROL. But that's not a good sign either.

Yea. He needs a synergy that shortens that cooldown or allows him to go immortal at 5% health or something. That 50 seconds is too long which is ironic considering that next month's side eq is on a timer.

Crcrcrc

No

I think he is meant to work like Corvus, but with less damage and a better immortality. He has crazy damage if you are aggressive. All that needs to be changed is the rage stacks should be 3 seconds

Rookiie

Yes

Thanks @Unio77
So I just saw something interesting @Chikel :
BG was heal blocked at the beginning of the fight against Scarlet Witch, and he couldn't activate Immortality. That means he had to spend 50 seconds at 1% and hope that he doesn't get heal blocked the second time to regen; assuming he stayed alive to make it to the second time.
BG got knocked out, didn't revive, deemed it impractical and quit ROL.

Crcrcrc

No

Rookiie said:

Thanks @Unio77
So I just saw something interesting @Chikel :
BG was heal blocked at the beginning of the fight against Scarlet Witch, and he couldn't activate Immortality. That means he had to spend 50 seconds at 1% and hope that he doesn't get heal blocked the second time to regen; assuming he stayed alive to make it to the second time.
BG got knocked out, didn't revive, deemed it impractical and quit ROL.

Yeah, he needs to be heal block immune too. Otherwise he is useless